Random Figure Skating Questions
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It really makes no sense but there are so many of these non-records at ISU's website that they can't be mistakes. It is just a stupid policy of ISU to list them all and not care about the skating order. To make things even more stupid is to have a different policy in ice dancing than in the other three disciplines.
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I think it's a mistake in the sense that they never thought about doing it differently. I think all stats get updated manually after the event, so probably they just look at the scores from the competition and everything that is higher than a previous record gets in the list. And maybe different people take care of the dance section, and use a different process. I'm speculating obviously.
Anyway I think the ISU doesn't give a damn about highest scores and that's why they don't even bother about handling them in a logical way.
Does anybody know if there is an official ISU document where there are regulations regarding highest scores?
That is something I have thought about it also.
But the record pages do get very fast update after every championships. I have noticed that sometimes the relevant pages have been updated very quickly after the event has ended. In other times, like after Challenger events, it takes at least a week and many times even longer until they have updated all the relevant pages.
I don't think there is such a thing.
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I think most commentators and figure skating journalists should just be more educated and stop mentioning World records because they're making more people confused by calling some scores as world records.
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Do you have videos in which it's almost impossible to tell if that person is doing a Lutz or a Flip?
I am pretty sure most people know that the scores are only unofficial record scores. Personally I don't see much difference if one speaks about "highest scores" which is something ISU uses or "record scores". They are record scores even if only unofficially.
Some pre-IJS examples where I don't know what the skater's actual intention was:
Probably intended as lutz preceded by simple steps, but never on outside edge
Probably flip with wrong edge, but maybe she was intentionally doing a rocker into 3Lz
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I think the first video is a flutz, she probably went for a lutz.
But the second is harder to tell.
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Everything looks like it is going to be a Flip but THIS looks a lot more like a Lutz with a flip entrance. That outside edge is just so pronounced and even the counter rotation is present.:shocked:
I think a Lip is harder to hide than a Flutz.
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If I were to properly learn how to roller blade, would that help with ice skating? I just about know how to ice skate, problem is that in Ireland the only rink that's opened for the entire year is up in the north, on the other side of the country for me. Other than that it's until november that I have to way to practice. I own roller blades but I've also heard that learning roller blading can really mess with peoples skills in Ice skating. I just want to learn the basics so that I don't waste what little time I'll have on the ice in winter on only re-learning the basics.
I haven't tried roller blading myself. (I did skate on quad roller skates a couple times as a teenage skater.)
So people who have done both could give you a better answer. You might want to try asking in the Lutz Corner section of the board.
I would think that forward skating (crossovers and edges), backward skating (ditto), and maybe mohawks to get from one to the other would be similar. One-foot turns, including threes which are what you would use as a beginner, would probably be much more different.
So people who have done both could give you a better answer. You might want to try asking in the Lutz Corner section of the board.
I would think that forward skating (crossovers and edges), backward skating (ditto), and maybe mohawks to get from one to the other would be similar. One-foot turns, including threes which are what you would use as a beginner, would probably be much more different.
Do judges usually change between the short and the long program?
Because at worlds 2017 ladies event there are different judges listed for the short programs and the Long programs. the KOR, CAN and GBR judges names disappeared in the LP judges panel and were replaced by an LAT, SLO, and SWE judge. What could be the reason behind this??
Because at worlds 2017 ladies event there are different judges listed for the short programs and the Long programs. the KOR, CAN and GBR judges names disappeared in the LP judges panel and were replaced by an LAT, SLO, and SWE judge. What could be the reason behind this??
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I'm sure someone will give you a more comprehensive reply, but in short yes a few judges can change between short and long, because for the more important competitions there is a pool of judges and among them are drawn the ones for each segment, but since this pool is only slightly bigger (sorry I can't remember the details), most judges will remain the same among the two events.Do judges usually change between the short and the long program?
Because at worlds 2017 ladies event there are different judges listed for the short programs and the Long programs. the KOR, CAN and GBR judges names disappeared in the LP judges panel and were replaced by an LAT, SLO, and SWE judge. What could be the reason behind this??
Do judges usually change between the short and the long program?
Because at worlds 2017 ladies event there are different judges listed for the short programs and the Long programs. the KOR, CAN and GBR judges names disappeared in the LP judges panel and were replaced by an LAT, SLO, and SWE judge. What could be the reason behind this??
The rules for assigning officials are often complicated and different for different events.
http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pair-skating-and-ice-dance/special-regulations-and-technical-rules
See Rule 521
For Worlds (and also Europeans and Junior Worlds), 13 judges from 13 different countries are chosen in advance for each discipline. Right before the short program, there's a draw to determine which 9 will sit on the panel. The 4 who weren't on the SP panel are automatically assigned to the freeskate, and then there's another draw among the 9 who did judge the short to see which 5 will also judge the free.
Olympics is similar but not identical (see Rule 402)
Four Continents is different because there aren't as many 4Cs countries with qualified championship-level judges.
The Grand Prix and JGP and the Challenger Series have their own rules.
Does anyone remember a male singles skater who had an air variation where he put his hands on his ears on a jump? I'm pretty sure it was a male skater and it may have been from a Nationals competition or something a while ago maybe. I just can't for the life of me remember who this skater was despite thinking it was really cool.
There may or may not be a better thread for this but I will post this here anyway. While looking at the page below, where there are a lot of pics, I noticed that one pic is there twice. So, tell me what pic is there twice?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_scores_in_figure_skating
This is the pic that is twice there. Not easy to spot obviously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2012_European_FSC_-_Pairs.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_scores_in_figure_skating
This is the pic that is twice there. Not easy to spot obviously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2012_European_FSC_-_Pairs.jpg
Hmm. Does anyone have a video clip of somebody doing a toeless lutz? I've been looking for a video of one but haven't been able to find it. I can find videos of people doing walleys but not toeless lutzes for some reason. I don't know if they're actually that difficult to do.
I don't think I've ever seen one. It if it was ever not extremely rare, that time probably was before televised skating.
This to me looks like it was probably intended as a double salchow, which is what it actually is. But she does step onto the RBO edge before switching over to the inside, so maybe you could call it a toeless flutz, or a slutz.
Watching in slow motion, it's hard to see how a skater could generate even one rotation without that change of edge and swinging the free leg forward, making it a salchow. Maybe a single would be possible with the free leg behind, like a walley.
This to me looks like it was probably intended as a double salchow, which is what it actually is. But she does step onto the RBO edge before switching over to the inside, so maybe you could call it a toeless flutz, or a slutz.
Watching in slow motion, it's hard to see how a skater could generate even one rotation without that change of edge and swinging the free leg forward, making it a salchow. Maybe a single would be possible with the free leg behind, like a walley.
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