Elena Ilinykh & Ruslan Zhiganshin

MariaRafael · Feb 1, 2015

Marta25 said:
I think if RSF favors S/B over I/Z, they would have given them a push at Nationals to at least win over M/K. Right now, the FED seems more in the wait-and-see mode. They are going to support the couple, that has the best shot to win the OGM in 2018. The international judges seem to clearly favor I/Z over any other Russian couple, so I think they have a good shot to be #1 in the future.

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Actually the Federation laid greater expectations on Sinitsina/Katzalapov for the simple reason that more physical load falls on the partner, and Ruslan was a recent junior having so much less experience than Nikita.

When it became clear that Ruslena does better, they got no less support than anybody else.

From very politically correct (vague, obscure, hazy) statements of the officials, I have a feeling that Ruslena are supported as Number 1 team. The Federation also hopes that Bobrova-Soloviev will come back. Sinitsina-Kazalapov may do much better next year. THey are still preference number three.

Of course, Stepanova-Bukin have all the administrative resource behind them (from Ivan's famous father Andrey to his former coach Tatiana Tarasova), but the lady-partner is so inferior to all the others, including Xenia Monko, that the fed's money is not bet on this team. They are provided with everything necessary for their progress, but nobody would pull them by hair to the medals.

Alba · Feb 1, 2015

surimi said:
I second this. Can anyone enlighten us, please? Thanks.

It's all in the short dance topic.

uhh said:
I don't know about Margalio, I think that was covered in the SD thread itself, but I walked past Scali after the SD and he was complaining about the difference in scores between I/Z & C/L. Although I suppose it is only natural that he would be supporting his countrymen.

Not only their countrymen. He works with them also, he is one of the choreographers. The SD is his choreo, for example.

turgon97 · Feb 1, 2015

surimi said:
I second this. Can anyone enlighten us, please? Thanks.

Here's what was said in the SD thread. Muchos thanks to Alba

"The question was put to him: What do you think about I&Z. Did you like their skating.

Bare in mind that his tone sounded absolute, and replied right away: No at all. They are nothing special, but you know they are the Russian no.1 so they were overscored. Ruslan in particular is not good, and he is diminished with this change.

Then again, later after M&K skated: You know in Russia there is nobody that good now that's why the FED are pushing so much I&Z, but they know that they are not good.

Again, after C&L, skated: I&Z scores are too much. It's so wrong, there is no comparison between I&Z and C&L. C&L are soo much better in the component aspect. "

Snow63 · Feb 2, 2015

turgon97 said:
Here's what was said in the SD thread. Muchos thanks to Alba

"The question was put to him: What do you think about I&Z. Did you like their skating.

Bare in mind that his tone sounded absolute, and replied right away: No at all. They are nothing special, but you know they are the Russian no.1 so they were overscored. Ruslan in particular is not good, and he is diminished with this change.

Then again, later after M&K skated: You know in Russia there is nobody that good now that's why the FED are pushing so much I&Z, but they know that they are not good.

Again, after C&L, skated: I&Z scores are too much. It's so wrong, there is no comparison between I&Z and C&L. C&L are soo much better in the component aspect. "

Someone's bitter for some reason.

turgon97 · Feb 2, 2015

Snow63 said:
Someone's bitter for some reason.

Im not sure how even the most discerning of skaters would construe Ruslan as "diminished" in this partnership. He was a MAN out there in the ice with how he handed Elena and how he presented.
Watching a few seconds on his SP last year and comparing that to their performance this week is enough to know that.

Margaglio is bitter and delusional indeed. I see how he would want to support his countrymen and the people he trains, but dude just has to be more rational sometimes. I dont think most normal people would agree with his comments.

Meoima · Feb 2, 2015

Snow63 said:
Someone's bitter for some reason.

Now we all know Margaglio deserved that dead glare from Barbara. lol

Snow63 · Feb 2, 2015

Meoima said:
Now we all know Margaglio deserved that dead glare from Barbara. lol

Yes!

Alba · Feb 2, 2015

turgon97 said:
Im not sure how even the most discerning of skaters would construe Ruslan as "diminished" in this partnership.

Exactly. If anything he has become "big". :cheer:

Alba · Feb 2, 2015

Ruslena SD - Lifts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pfkzG76uQ0

Ruslena FD - Lifts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGt81463VPQ

surimi · Feb 2, 2015

Thank you for reposting the quotes from the SD thread! Huh, I get I/Z are not Margaglio's cup of tea, but both reasons he gives are too subjective - he doesn't like their PCS, and he feels Ruslan is overshadowed. Nothing more tangible? I'm not having the 'No. 1' argument - they weren't No.1 at CoC and CoR; and by the same logic, C & L should also be overscored as Italian No.1. Thankfully, the judges, the FED and the fans don't seem to share his view.

Alba · Feb 2, 2015

surimi said:
Thank you for reposting the quotes from the SD thread! Huh, I get I/Z are not Margaglio's cup of tea, but both reasons he gives are too subjective - he doesn't like their PCS, and he feels Ruslan is overshadowed. Nothing more tangible? I'm not having the 'No. 1' argument - they weren't No.1 at CoC and CoR; .

Not a single reason, from a technical point of view at least since he is also a tech specialist. HA!
At least the other commentator gave one.

and by the same logic, C & L should also be overscored as Italian No.1. Thankfully, the judges, the FED and the fans don't seem to share his view

Exactly.

turgon97 · Feb 2, 2015

Alba said:
Not a single reason, from a technical point of view at least since he is also a tech specialist. HA!
At least the other commentator gave one.

Exactly.

You know what's funny? that doesnt seem to stop Stepanova and Bukin from complaining that P/C only scored as high as they did because theyre the clear #1 French team, whereas Russia's #1 isnt so clearly defined yet..... bollocks!!

This was posted on the S/B vs I/Z thread:

"If Stepanova serious about her opinion like that:
"Marks are given from various reasons. Papadakis & Cizeron are first French couple while there is not very clear situation in Russia. "

If the statements arent true, please feel free to refute.

Alba · Feb 2, 2015

turgon97 said:
You know what's funny? that doesnt seem to stop Stepanova and Bukin from complaining that P/C only scored as high as they did because theyre the clear #1 French team, whereas Russia's #1 isnt so clearly defined yet..... bollocks!!

This was posted on the S/B vs I/Z thread:

"If Stepanova serious about her opinion like that:
"Marks are given from various reasons. Papadakis & Cizeron are first French couple while there is not very clear situation in Russia. "

If the statements arent true, please feel free to refute.

Yes she said that. The article is in the SD topic. I don't care that much about her rant. She obviously wants to take advantage with the bronze medal. Although would be better for her if she spares her energy and time to work on her skating skills. :sarcasm:

p.s. didn't even check S&B vs I&Z topic. Suffice to read the title and you get how ridiculous the comparison is. :rolleye:

turgon97 · Feb 2, 2015

Alba said:
Yes she said that. The article is in the SD topic. I don't care that much about her rant.
She obviously wants to take advantage with the bronze medal. Although would be better for her if she spares her energy and time to work on her skating skills. :sarcasm:

Honey, in her mind, all she needs is face and legs!:disapp:

But, lets not hate on them. This is a I/Z thread after all. And... Bukin is a nice guy.

Alba · Feb 2, 2015

turgon97 said:
But, lets not hate on them. This is a I/Z thread after all. And... Bukin is a nice guy.

Well, you brought her statement here.

I don't hate them at all, believe me. I was glad they won actually. They skated their best. But she does have bad SS. I'm not inventing it. She can't bent her knees even if her life depends on it. So, if she thinks she is better then Ksenia and Elena, and she and Bukin better than I&Z, she is sooooo delusional.

turgon97 · Feb 2, 2015

Alba said:
Well, you brought her statement here.
I don't hate them at all, believe me. I was glad they won actually. They skated their best. But she does have bad SS. I'm not inventing it. She can't bent her knees even if her life depends on it. So, if she thinks she is better then Ksenia and Elena, and she and Bukin better than I&Z, she is sooooo delusional.

I thought her comments tied in nicely with what Margaglio thought of teams needing to have more scoring love because of their #1 national ranking.

And no, besides her pretty legs and frenetic lifts of a zillion position changes, I dont find her all that special (however, I do love their FS and Bukin is just endearing and tries so hard).

Overall, she's a candle to Elena's bonfire.

Alba · Feb 2, 2015

Bukin has decent SS. Not like his father though.

uhh · Feb 2, 2015

I don't know why people are complaining about the SD score - the PCS for a fantastic performance was only 1 point higher than at GPF, where they had 3 big wobbles and a tentative skate. I was sitting at the end of the rink in the perfect postition to see the edge changes on the paso key points, and they didn't put a foot wrong there either, those level 4s were absolutely deserved.

In contrast, C/L's skating skills, particularly Anna & her posture, have regressed so much since last year. They should be thankful I/Z weren't in a later group, because it wouldn't have even been close in the SD. And the PCS marks for the FD show that Ruslena aren't being held up even if they skate badly. When they got that SD mark, it was because they had 100% earned it.

Alba · Feb 2, 2015

uhh said:
I don't know why people are complaining about the SD score - the PCS for a fantastic performance was only 1 point higher than at GPF, where they had 3 big wobbles and a tentative skate. I was sitting at the end of the rink in the perfect postition to see the edge changes on the paso key points, and they didn't put a foot wrong there either, those level 4s were absolutely deserved.

In contrast, C/L's skating skills, particularly Anna & her posture, have regressed so much since last year. They should be thankful I/Z weren't in a later group, because it wouldn't have even been close in the SD. And the PCS marks for the FD show that Ruslena aren't being held up even if they skate badly. When they got that SD mark, it was because they had 100% earned it.

Absolutely. :thumbsup:

Alba · Feb 2, 2015

Ruslena FD Spins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTgSop2dtJg&feature=youtu.be

This is her weakest point. She doesn't have enough flexibility, does she. :hopelessness:

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