Russian Qualifiers and other important competitions

Meoima said:

Gubanova's coach, Urmanov is moving to Moscow, isn't it? Does that mean she will move to Moscow along with him?

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He's moving to Sochi... and I'm not sure he was her main coach anymore...

I love Gubanova.

witcher said:

I'm trying so hard to understand Russian fs events pyramid, but I still can't figure out couple of things:

1. What are the age limits for Russian Junior Championships (Pervenstvo)?
2. If they are no age limits for Russian Junior Championships (Pervenstvo), can (in theory) 5yo win it?
3. The pyramid looks logical:
Seniors (Chempionat) for 14yo+ -> Juniors (Pervenstvo) for ↑???↑ -> Younger Age (Mladshii Vozrast) for 11-13yo, except this:

It just doesn't fit! :scratch:

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There are different systems of quialifying, not only different age limits.

For singles, Men and Ladies.

1. Senior Nationals (Championship). Qualifying to Euro.
Age 14+.
Qualified are: skaters who had GP Events, skaters from JGP Final, skaters who were best at Russian Cup Events (Senior).

2. Junior Nationals (Pervenstvo). Qualifying to JrWorlds.
Age 10+ (in fact 12+) but not elder than Internatonal Juniors.
Qualified are: skaters who had JGP Events and skaters who were best at Russian Cup Events (Junior). May be added skaters who had GP events if they want to qualify to JrWorlds (medalists of previous JrWorlds at most).

Skater may be at Russian Cup Events only as Seniors or Juniors, not both.
So both at SrNats and JrNats may be only skaters, who:
a) are JGP Finalists,
b) had GP Events and qualified to JrNtas by Junior Russian Cup Events (rarely) or had JGP Events and qualified to SrNats by Senior Russian Cup Events (more often),
c) had GP Events and good results of previous JrWorlds (medal of close to medal) and want to qualify to JrWorlds.

3. Nationals Younger age (Zhuk Memorial).
Younger age - 10 or younger.
Elder Age - 11-12 years old.
Skaters are qualified by Zonal Competitions (like Sectionals in USA) in zones:
Moscow
StPetersburg
Siberia and Far East
Ural and near-Volga
Center of European Part.

4. Nationals Elder age.
Age - 11-17 years old (two years younger than International Juniors).
Skaters are qualified by Zonal Competitions in zones:
Moscow
StPetersburg
Siberia and Far East
Ural and near-Volga
Center of European Part.
(same as Younger Age)

This system (quotas for Zones) gives chance for skaters of "province" to take place in national competitions.
Best coaches may be interested in talented skaters from far regions, so such skaters have a chance to go to best coaches. For example, Tuktamysheva and Lipnitskaia.

Also there is Final of Russian Cup (both Senior and Junior).
In fact it is competiton at which Federation looks to skaters who may pretend to National Team Russia but had not extremely high results at above-mentioned competitions.
Also result of Final of Russian Cup may influence to team of World Championships.

Also there is Winter Spartakiad (in many winter sports - hockey, skiing, speed skating, freestyle etc and also figure skating), at yeare with odd number (i.e. 2009, 2011, 2013, 2015 etc).
It is something like "Junior Russian Olympiad".

On results of these (above-mentioned) competitions athlete may be included in National Team. International results are also concerned of course.
Many competitions - many info for Federation to form National Team for next season and to fill JGP Events spots next season.

Today isn't the best day for Gubanova. To praise too much sometimes is bad too Only 3rd in FS, but won by final results. Congrats, Nastya!

Girls, older age

FS results, Top 8 of 26

Pl Name TSS TES PCS FS_video
1 Alina Solovieva 111.15 60.71 51.44 (Ded's 1.00) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usS2dsYKgTY
2 Victoria Vasilieva 111.07 64.67 46.40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuOJdnGKGkY
3 Anastasia Gubanova 110.41 57.41 54.00 (Ded's 1.00) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmq1G4awMkg
4 Anna Tarusina 108.09 59.85 48.24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEalzKg2JxM
5 Alice Lozko 104.33 55.61 48.72 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psOpXl3LWlI
6 Anastasia Gulyakova 103.62 58.74 44.88 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCgrXBSI6Ro
7 Ekaterina Mitrofanova 102.54 51.34 51.20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvzwLG5OkKE
8 Sofia Samodurova 100.11 53.07 47.04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-5LstSDk8o

http://fsrussia.ru/results/1415/specprogramma1415/SEG009.HTM

Final Results, Top 8 of 26

FPl. Name Points Elements SP FS
1 Anastasia Gubanova 234.17 1 1 3
2 Alina Solovieva 220.78 3 2 1
3 Ekaterina Mitrofanova 212.13 2 3 7
4 Anna Tarusina 207.52 7 5 4
5 Victoria Vasilieva 203.26 13 9 2
6 Alice Lozko 200.02 12 4 5
7 Alice Fedichkina 199.95 4 10 9
8 Sofia Samodurova 197.48 8 7 8

http://fsrussia.ru/results/1415/specprogramma1415/CAT003RS.HTM

Russian Nationals Younger Age (Stanislav Zhuk Memorial). Velikiy Novgorod, 19-23 Mar 2015.

Girls Elder Age Final Results, Top 10 of 26.
In bold eligible to Junior competition next season.

FPl. Name Birthdate Region Points (Points for SP+FS) El SP FS FS_Video
1 Anastasia Gubanova 02 Dec 2002 StPetersburg 234.17 (179.81) 1 1 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmq1G4awMkg
2 Alina Solovieva 11 Feb 2002 Moscow 220.78 (170.94) 3 2 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usS2dsYKgTY
3 Ekaterina Mitrofanova 05 May 2002 Moscow 212.13 (161.65) 2 3 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvzwLG5OkKE
4 Anna Tarusina 24 Jan 2003 Moscow 207.52 (162.72) 7 5 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEalzKg2JxM
5 Viktoria Vasilieva 25 Nov 2003 Moscow 203.26 (162.98) 13 9 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuOJdnGKGkY
6 Alisa Lozko 01 Jun 2002 StPetersburg 200.02 (159.14) 12 4 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psOpXl3LWlI
7 Alisa Fedichkina 14 Feb 2002 StPetersburg 199.95 (150.63) 4 10 9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4p7rGH9kHk
8 Sofia Samodurova 30 Jul 2002 StPetersburg 197.48 (153.64) 8 7 8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-5LstSDk8o
9 Anastasia Gulyakova 2002 Sverdlovsk_Region 196.97 (150.73) 6 13 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCgrXBSI6Ro
10 Daria Panenkova 08 Dec 2002 Moscow 193.33 (145.97) 5 12 10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4ENIqiU4NI

Update - added score for SP+FS, for comparatibility with other competitions.

Boys also had an interesting competition. Semenenko is just 11 y.o., but he already has great 3A in FS. And today he successfully landed this again. Gumennik and Skirda also very promising skaters, and at the moment they're better that Evgeni in other aspects.

Boys, older age

FS results, Top 6 of 22

Pl Name TSS TES PCS FS_video
1 Evgeni Semenenko 138.90 73.40 65.50
2 Petr Gumennik 138.49 69.59 68.90 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3t1VYqbDM
3 Ilya Skirda 134.96 69.16 65.80 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJZI9I4RvN8
4 Georgi Kunitsa 130.50 65.40 65.10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ag9yItTFEE
5 Artem Frolov 127.33 65.53 61.80 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39LdWIg9kXQ
6 Matvei Vetlugin 126.51 67.41 59.10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LFsSWhDFHo

Final Results, Top 6 of 22

FPl Name Points Elements SP FS
1 Petr Gumennik 267.44 1 1 2
2 Evgeni Semenenko 262.50 2 3 1
3 Ilya Skirda 253.99 4 2 3 21.09.2002
4 Georgi Kunitsa 245.42 3 5 4
5 Artem Frolov 240.45 6 4 5
6 Matvei Vetlugin 232.61 5 10 6

Gumennik is the only boy who is eligible to Junior competition next season.

If Gubanova survives through growth, she could be a big star internationally. Her style is very "Western palate" friendly.

paulusfr said:

Boys also had an interesting competition. Semenenko is just 11 y.o., but he already has great 3A in FS. And today he successfully landed this again. Gumennik and Skirda also very promising skaters, and at the moment they're better that Evgeni in other aspects.

FPl Name Points Elements SP FS
1 Petr Gumennik 267.44 1 1 2
2 Evgeni Semenenko 262.50 2 3 1
3 Ilya Skirda 253.99 4 2 3 21.09.2002
4 Georgi Kunitsa 245.42 3 5 4
5 Artem Frolov 240.45 6 4 5
6 Matvei Vetlugin 232.61 5 10 6

Gumennik is the only boy who is eligible to Junior competition next season.

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I'm sure these scores are inflated, but wow! Even if you shave off ~30 points, they could still beat plenty of seniors. There are some incredibly talented boys in the 11-12 year old group.

gallavich said:

I'm sure these scores are inflated, but wow! Even if you shave off ~30 points, they could still beat plenty of seniors. There are some incredibly talented boys in the 11-12 year old group.

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There are 3 programs on this competition: elements, SP & FS

KIG said:

There are 3 programms on this competition: elements, SP & FS

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Ah, ok...that makes a bit more sense. What do they have to do for "elements"?

Georgi is a new one for me, but so interesting! I wonder how much of their flexibility these boys can retain as teenagers, though...

gallavich said:

Ah, ok...that makes a bit more sense. What do they have to do for "elements"?

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All skaters have to do 4 elements: any jump (2 attempts), any jump combination (2 attempts), step sequences and spin combination

AlexRus said:

2. Junior Nationals (Pervenstvo). Qualifying to JrWorlds.
Age 10+ (in fact 12+) but not elder than Internatonal Juniors.

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Could you provide a source to this? Link maybe?
Thank you in advance. :thumbsup:

AlexRus said:

Russian Nationals Younger Age (Stanislav Zhuk Memorial). Velikiy Novgorod, 19-23 Mar 2015.

Girls Elder Age Final Results, Top 10 of 26.
In bold eligible to Junior competition next season.

FPl. Name Birthdate Region Points (Points for SP+FS) El SP FS FS_Video
1 Anastasia Gubanova 02 Dec 2002 StPetersburg 234.17 (179.81) 1 1 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmq1G4awMkg
2 Alina Solovieva 11 Feb 2002 Moscow 220.78 (170.94) 3 2 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usS2dsYKgTY
3 Ekaterina Mitrofanova 05 May 2002 Moscow 212.13 (161.65) 2 3 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvzwLG5OkKE
4 Anna Tarusina 24 Jan 2003 Moscow 207.52 (162.72) 7 5 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEalzKg2JxM
5 Viktoria Vasilieva 25 Nov 2003 Moscow 203.26 (162.98) 13 9 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuOJdnGKGkY
6 Alisa Lozko 01 Jun 2002 StPetersburg 200.02 (159.14) 12 4 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psOpXl3LWlI
7 Alisa Fedichkina 14 Feb 2002 StPetersburg 199.95 (150.63) 4 10 9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4p7rGH9kHk
8 Sofia Samodurova 30 Jul 2002 StPetersburg 197.48 (153.64) 8 7 8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-5LstSDk8o
9 Anastasia Gulyakova 2002 Sverdlovsk_Region 196.97 (150.73) 6 13 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCgrXBSI6Ro
10 Daria Panenkova 08 Dec 2002 Moscow 193.33 (145.97) 5 12 10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4ENIqiU4NI

Update - added score for SP+FS, for comparatibility with other competitions.

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Thank you AlexRus.
Very informative.
You are doing a lot to present ice skating from Russia.
spasiba

witcher said:

Could you provide a source to this? Link maybe?
Thank you in advance. :thumbsup:

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It is not so simple.

National sports qualification http://www.minsport.gov.ru/sport/figyrnoekatanienakonkax15-18gg.xls or http://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/evsk1518.pdf tells that "master of sports" (Senior) may be given from age 12, "candidate to master of sports" (Junior) - from age 10.
It is age limit to take place in Senior and Junior competitions.
There are two age limits for "candidate to master of sports" - 13-19 years old (Juniors), and 10-15 years old (boys, girls). In both may be given Junor grade.

Other document http://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/pologhenie_comp1415_upd_pr2.pdf tells that in Russian Cup Events and Senior national championships may take place skaters not younger than 14 years old (in Events of Russian Cup - all skaters, in Championships - limited age only for single skating). No age limits for Juniors in this document, so only limits of the National sports qualification are actual.

AlexRus said:

National sports qualification http://www.minsport.gov.ru/sport/figyrnoekatanienakonkax15-18gg.xls or http://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/evsk1518.pdf tells that "master of sports" (Senior) may be given from age 12, "candidate to master of sports" (Junior) - from age 10.
It is age limit to take place in Senior and Junior competitions.

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Then what about ↓this↓?
Web page of Russian Junior Championship (Pervenstvo) - http://www.fskate.ru/info/competitions/5/ :

"О турнире: Турнир является юниорским чемпионатом России. В соревнованиях принимают участие юниоры, а также более младшие категории фигуристов - нижней границы возраста нет."

"Tournament info: Tournament is a junior championship of Russia. Competition may be attended by juniors as well as other younger skaters categories - there is no minimum age limit."

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witcher said:

Then what about ↓this↓?
Web page of Russian Junior Championship (Pervenstvo) - http://www.fskate.ru/info/competitions/5/ :

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I think if they had someone really talented and wanted the skater to compete, they would ensure that the skater can compete no matter what his/her age is. Like last year when they said that senior nationals minimum age is 14 years old, so it looked that only Medvedeva can participate whereas Sotskova, Proklova and Sakhanovich can't. (because internationally skating season is from 1.7. till 30.6, whereas Russian Federation operates on calendar year from 1.1. till 31.12).And then a few days before nationals they were granted exception and were allowed to compete anyway. So what it demonstrates - it doesn't really matter what minimum age is for the championships - if you are good and they really want you there, you will be there.

Here are the practice groups for the elder nationals... only posting because Fedichkina is on the list though she didn't skate at the qualifier. I hope she can redeem herself but it'll only be a week gap between skates.

http://www.fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1415/olimpic_hopes1415_training_groups.pdf

Does anybody know when will Russia announce their WTT team?

SCHEDULE OF COMPETITIONS
The championships of Russia among young men and girls of advanced age
On March 28-31, 2015 Stary Oskol
On March 28, 2015, Saturday Day of arrival
Actions
10.00 - 15.00 Credentials committee
18.00 - 19.30 Meeting of judges
20.00 - 20.45 Draw of participants
On March 29, 2015, Sunday
15.15 - 18.00 Young men, short program
18.15 - 18.45 Opening of competitions
19.00 - 20.45 Couples, short program
21.00 - 23.00 Ice dance, short dance
On March 30, 2015, Monday
14.45 - 17.45 Girls, short program
18.00 - 21.30 Young men, free skating
21.45 - 23.00 Ice dance, arbitrary dance
On March 31, 2015, Tuesday
11.30 - 15.30 Girls, free skating
15.45 - 17.45 Couples, free skating
18.00 - 18.45 Rewarding of winners
tournament site
http://fsrussia.ru/sorevnovaniya/89...edi-devushek-i-yunoshej-starshij-vozrast.html
panel of results
http://fsrussia.ru/results/1415/olimpic_hopes1415/index.htm
video
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA_iriCOfhXy87BoRGvAIHYb2yyEnV1TL
results of boys' SP
1. Evgeni Semenenko 71.83 37.93 33.90 video
2. Matvey Vetlugin 68.80 37.35 31.45 video
3. Ilya Skirda 68.44 35.99 32.45 video
http://fsrussia.ru/results/1415/olimpic_hopes1415/SEG005.HTM
couples' SP
Borisova/Sopot 53.70 29.94 23.76 video
Panfilova/Selkin 52.30 28.86 23.44 video
Atakhanova/Spiridonov 50.98 26.14 24.84
http://fsrussia.ru/results/1415/olimpic_hopes1415/SEG013.HTM
results of ice dance's SP
Skoptsova/Alyoshin 50.12 26.32 23.80 video
Shirokhova/Nazarov 48.32 25.00 23.32 video
Dolgikh/Mikhailov 47.28 22.96 24.32 video
http://fsrussia.ru/results/1415/olimpic_hopes1415/SEG001.HTM

Ladies
Vlada LIPOVSKAYA
Anastasia IVANUSHKINA
Victoria VASILYEVA
Alsou KAYUMOVA
Vladislava MASLYUKOVA
Warm-Up Group 2
Anastasia TARAKANOVA
Alina SOLOVYOVA
Ekaterina BAYANOVA
Sofya MARKINA
Valeria STAShchUK
Diana PERVUSHKINA
Warm-Up Group 3
Polina MAKAROVA
Darya KULIKOVA
Anastasia YATSENKO
Alice LOZKO
Darya KOSULINA
Valeria MALOZEMOVA
Warm-Up Group 4
Larisa URUSOVA
Anastasia GULYAKOVA
Angelina KALNITSKAYA
Alina KARAVAYEVA
Polina TSURSKAYA
Valeria MIKHAYLOVA
Warm-Up Group 5
Alice FEDICHKINA
Anastasia GUNDAREVA
Maria PEREDEROVA
Stanislava KONSTANTINOVA
Natalia FILATOVA
Sofya SAMODUROVA
http://fsrussia.ru/results/1415/olimpic_hopes1415/SEG009.HTM
P.S. Go Polina!

witcher said:

Then what about ↓this↓?
Web page of Russian Junior Championship (Pervenstvo) - http://www.fskate.ru/info/competitions/5/ :

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Author of this site is not always absolutely correct.

In fact:
SrNats at season 2012/2013 and earlier had age limit 12.
From season 2013/2014 - age limit 14.
But Federation may by individual solution allow younger skaters. At January 2008 Tukamysheva being 11 took place in SpNats (because she was very talented and level of Senor Ladies was too low).
At December 2013 13-years-old Proklova and Sakhanovich were at SrNats, because they were JGP Finalists.

JrNats - in fact almost always age 12+ (but not elder than International Juniors), rarely 10+, newer younger than 10.

Of 5 competitions - SrNats, JrNats, Final of Russian Cup, Nats Younger Age, Nats Elder Age - no staters/coules take place in more than three (more often - omly two).
For example, Radionova at 2010 qualified to three - JrNats, Younger Age, Elder Age, but competed only at JrNats and Younger Age.