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State of the U.S. Men's Figure Skating for 2014-15

Mrs. P

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I'm hoping this can be a place to look at the American's men's field this season. Lots of stats and analysis to be expected here.

This is a placeholder post until I get all the stats and will be updated throughout the season.

As with the U.S. Ladies, I will focus on U.S. men who are senior nationally (so yes, JGP folks who are at the senior level nationally are included)


International scores (Updated 11/15/14)

OVERALL
Max Aaron 240.22* (U.S. International Classic, 1st)
Richard Dornbush 237.28* (Lombardia Trophy, 1st)
Jason Brown 237.17 (Nebelhorn Trophy, 1st)
Jason Brown 235.56 (Rostelecom Cup, 5th) + 9
Jason Brown 234.17 (Skate America, 2nd) -2

Max Aaron 231.77 (Skate Canada, 3rd) -7
Stephen Carriere 231.67 (Skate Canada 4th)
Ross Miner 227.26 (Skate Canada Autumn Classic, 1st)
Richard Dornbush 226.73 (Cup of China, 3rd)
Adam Rippon 220.75 (Finlandia Trophy, 2nd)
Stephen Carriere 219.76* (Ondrej Nepela Trophy, 1st)
Jeremy Abbott 219.33 (Skate America, 5th)
Max Aaron 212.60 (Rostelecom Cup, 7th)
Ross Miner 209.78 (U.S. International Classic, 2nd)
Nathan Chen 208.16 (JGP Croatia Cup, 2nd)
Douglas Razzano 204.48 (Skate America, 8th)
Grant Hochstein 204.37* (Lombardia Trophy, 4th )
Adam Rippon 201.92 (Skate Canada, 10th)
Stephen Carriere 201.24 (Rostelecom Cup, 9th)
Douglas Razanno 199.57* (U.S. International Classic, 4th)
Timothy Dolensky 196.93* (Skate Canada Autumn Classic, 4th)
Alexander Johnson 193.06 (Skate Canada Autumn Classic, 8th)
Alexander Johnson 191.41 (Nebelhorn Trophy, 6th )
Jordan Moeller 189.81* (U.S. International Classic, 7th)
Shotaro Omori 173.54 (ISU Poka der Baluen Schwerter 2014, 6th)
Shotaro Omori 165.97 (JGP Ljubljana Cup, 4th)


SP
Jason Brown 83.59 (Nebelhorn Trophy)
Jeremy Abbott 82.81 (Skate America)
Stephen Carriere 80.33* (Skate Canada)
Ross Miner 80.24 (Skate Canada Autumn Classic)
Jason Brown 79.75 (Skate America)
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Richard Dornbush 79.36 (Lombardia Trophy)
Max Aaron 78.96* (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Richard Dornbush 77.23 (Cup of China)
Max Aaron 77.09 (Rostelecom Cup)
Max Aaron 76.50 (Skate Canada)
Jason Brown 76.32 (Rostelecom Cup)
Grant Hochstein 72.92* (Lombardia Trophy)
Nathan Chen 72.57 (JGP Croatia Cup)
Stephen Carriere 72.20 (Rostelecom Cup)
Stephen Carriere 71.18 (Ondrej Nepela Trophy)
Alexander Johnson 69.20* (Nebelhorn Trophy)
Adam Rippon 68.53 (Finlandia Trophy)
Ross Miner 67.06 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Alexander Johnson 66.99 (Skate Canada Autumn Classic)
Shotaro Omori 66.30 ((ISU Poka der Baluen Schwerter 2014)
Douglas Razzano 66.23* (Skate America)
Douglas Razzano 66.15 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Jordan Moeller 64.21 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Timothy Dolensky 63.69* (Skate Canada Autumn Classic)
Adam Rippon 62.83 (Skate Canada)
Shotaro Omori 58.82 (JGP Ljubljana Cup)



SP TES
Stephen Carriere 44.58* (Skate Canada)
Jason Brown 43.50 (Nebelhorn Trophy)
Richard Dornbush 42.51 (Lombardia Trophy)
Ross Miner 42.49* (Skate Canada Autumn Classic)
Max Aaron 41.01 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
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Max Aaron 40.60 (Rostelecom Cup)
Max Aaron 40.58 (Skate Canada)
Nathan Chan 40.36 (JGP Croatia) -7
Jeremy Abbott 40.30 (Skate America)
Jason Brown 39.94 (Skate America)
Richard Dornbush 38.98 (Cup of China)
Stephen Carriere 38.33 (Ondrej Nepela Trophy)
Grant Hochstein 37.97 (Lombardia Trophy)
Stephen Carriere 37.45 (Rostelecom Cup)
Jason Brown 37.26 (Rostelecom Cup)
Douglas Razzano 36.91 (Skate America)
Shotaro Omori 35.52 (JGP Pokal der Blauen Schwerter)
Adam Rippon 34.13 (Finlandia Trophy)
Douglas Razzano 33.85 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Alexander Johnson 33.29 (Nebelhorn Trophy)
Shotaro Omori 32.71 (JGP Ljubljana Cup)
Jordan Moeller 31.71 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Alexander Johnson 30.94 (Skate Canada Autumn Classic)
Timothy Dolensky 30.94 (Skate Canada Autumn Classic)
Ross Miner 30.46 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Adam Rippon 27.73 (Skate Canada)


SP PCS
Jeremy Abbott 41.52 (Skate America)
Jason Brown 40.81 (Skate America)
Jason Brown 40.09 (Nebelhorn Trophy)
Jason Brown 39.16 (Rostelecom Cup) +9
Max Aaron 38.95 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic) -2

Ross Miner 38.75* (Skate Canada Autumn Classic) -7
Richard Dornbush 38.25 (Cup of China)
Richard Dornbush 37.85 (Lombardia Trophy)
Ross Miner 36.60 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic) -7
Alexander Johnson 36.05
Max Aaron 35.92 (Skate Canada)
Alexander Johnson 35.91
Stephen Carriere 34.75* (Skate Canada)
Adam Rippon 35.40
Grant Hochstein 34.95
Stephen Carriere 33.85
Jordan Moeller 33.50
Douglas Razzano 33.30
Nathan Chen 33.21
Timothy Dolensky 32.75
Douglas Razzano 31.32
Shotaro Omori 30.78 (ISU Pokal der Baluen Schwerter 2014)
Shotaro Omori 28.11 (JGP Ljubljana Cup)

FS
Max Aaron 161.26 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Jason Brown 159.24* (Rostelecom Cup) +13
Richard Dornbush 157.92* (Lombardia Trophy) -2
Max Aaron 155.27 (Skate Canada) -2
Jason Brown 154.42 (Skate America) -2

Jason Brown 153.58 -2 (Nebelhorn Trophy) -7
Stephen Carriere 151.34*
Adam Rippon 152.22 (Finlandia Trophy)
Richard Dornbush 149.50 (Cup of China)
Stephen Carriere 148.58 (Skate Canada)
Ross Miner 147.02 (Skate Canada Autumn Classic)
Ross Miner 142.72 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Adam Rippon 139.09 (Skate Canada)
Douglas Razzano 138.25* (Skate America)
Jeremy Abbott 137.51 (Skate America)
Max Aaron 135.51 (Rostelecom Cup)
Nathan Chen 135.59
Douglas Razzano 133.42 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Grant Hochstein 131.45* (Lombardia Trophy)
Stephen Carriere 129.04 (Rostelecom Cup)
Jordan Moeller 125.60*
Alexander Johnson 122.21*
Shotaro Omori 107.24 (JGP Pokal der Baluen Schwerter 2014)
Shotaro Omori 107.15 (JGP Ljubljana Cup)
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TES
Max Aaron 83.46
Max Aaron 83.35
Jason Brown 80.58 +11
Adam Rippon 77.82 -2
Stephen Carriere 77.48 (Skate Canada) -2

Richard Dornbush 76.92 (Lombardia Trophy) -7
Stephen Carriere 75.18 (Ondej Nepala Trophy)
Jason Brown 74.06 (Skate America)
Richard Dornbush 72.14 (Cup of China)
Ross Miner 69.52 (Skate Canada Autumn Classic) -=
Timothy Dolensky 69.44 (Skate Canada Autumn Classic
Adamp Rippon 68.59 (Skate Canada)
Nathan Chen 68.45
Jason Brown 67.74 (Nebelhorn Trophy)
Ross Miner 67.72 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Max Aaron 66.93 (Rostelecom Cup)
Douglas Razzano 64.32
Grant Hochstein 62.35
Stephen Carriere 61.60 (Rostelecom Cup)
Jordan Moeller 60.70
Alexander Johnson 57.77 (Skate Canada Autumn Classic)
Alexander Johnson 53.55 (Nebelhorn Trophy)
Shotaro Omori 47.43
Shotaro Omori 43.38 (ISU Poka der Baluen Schwerter 2014)


PCS

Jason Brown 85.84* (Nebelhorn Trophy)
Jason Brown 81.36 (Skate America)
Richard Dornbush 81.00* (Lombardia Trophy)
Jeremy Abbott 79.22 (Skate America)
Jason Brown 78.98 (Rostelecom Cup) +7
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Max Aaron 78.80* -7
Richard Dornbush 78.36 (Cup of China)
Ross Miner 77.50* (Skate Canada Autumn Classic)
Ross Miner 75.00 (U.S. International Figure Skating Classic)
Stephen Carriere 74.86* (Skate Canada)
Adam Rippon 74.40 (Finlandia Trophy)
Stephen Carriere 73.40 (Ondrej Nepala Trophy)
Max Aaron 71.92 (Skate Canada)
Grant Hochstein 71.10*
Adamp Rippon 70.50 (Skate Canada)
Douglas Razzano 70.10*
Alexander Johnson 69.66* (Nebelhorn Trophy)
Alexander Johnson 69.70 (Skate Canada Autumn Classic)
Max Aaron 68.58 (Rostelecom Cup)
Stephen Carriere 61.60 (Rostelecom Cup)
Nathan Chen 67.14
Jordan Moeller 66.90*
Timothy Dolensky 64.80
Shotaro Omori 63.86 (ISU Poka der Baluen Schwerter 2014)
Shotaro Omori 60.72


Jason Brown — 161
Max Aaron — 74
Richard Dornbush — 46
Jeremy Abbott - 37
Stephen Carriere — 31
Ross Miner — 18
Adam Rippon — 11
Nathan Chen — 7




*ISU Personal Best

Initial thoughts and observations.

1.) Field is WIDE open. I consider it a clean slate. Jason Brown and Jeremy Abbott may have been top two last year, but I certainly can see a completely different turnout for the three worlds spots in 2015. It's a bit early to say where the momentum lies, but Richard Dornbush is looking pretty good as is Max Aaron so far. We'll see how Jason looks after Nebelhorn this weekend.
2.) Quad, quad, quad? Who will land it? Max Aaron is the only U.S. man to have a ratified quad so far this season. Dornbush and Miner attempted 4S. Douglas Razzano and Grant Hochstein attempted 4T. No sign of a quad from Jason Brown yet.
 
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rosacotton

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Thank you for the lists, Mrs. P! I agree with your thoughts and observations. Very excited to see how the season shapes up for the men.
 

noskates

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I think if Ricky Dornbush could ever skate 2 clean programs he'd be awesome. Seems to have a consistency problem. He looked so good at Nats this year in the SP and then along came the LP and .............................:disapp: I'm also looking forward to seeing what Josh Farris does this year, too,
 

Skater Boy

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The future is bright with Brown, Miner, dornbush, Chen?, Rippon, Aaron and Abbott might surprise everyone with a great year. And there are others too. They might even win a world medal with Chan gone. Japan weakened and Hanyu injured. Russia somewhat in flux and inconsistent. That leave Javier and Denis Ten who are prone to bad skates too. Canada has no real threat though Reynolds could get his act together before his boot problems last season. There are three medals and a US skater could snatch one of those elusive medals.
 

Meoima

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The future is bright with Brown, Miner, dornbush, Chen?, Rippon, Aaron and Abbott might surprise everyone with a great year. And there are others too. They might even win a world medal with Chan gone. Japan weakened and Hanyu injured. Russia somewhat in flux and inconsistent. That leave Javier and Denis Ten who are prone to bad skates too. Canada has no real threat though Reynolds could get his act together before his boot problems last season. There are three medals and a US skater could snatch one of those elusive medals.
I don't think Javi and Denis Ten are prone to bad skates. They are just the same as PChan in term of consistency.
Normally with his performances in Saitama, Javi could have been the gold medalist in the previous year (he can beat PChan and even Denis Ten in 2013).
Denis can peak at worlds, and with his reputation as the world silver medalist and Olympic bronze, he have more chances to medal than the US men.
China has great jumper like Han Yan, and with Worlds at Sanghai, he has really good chance for medal.
Russia is leveling up their men field. Gachinski and Kovtun are still young and they can develop some concistency.
Japan only weakens in the ladies field with Mao staying out, but their men field are not that weak. Without Dai and Nobu, they still have 4 men having good chances at medaling (Hanyu, Takahiko, Machida, Mura).
Machida can pull together 2 clean perforamances and get high scores. Takahiko also can tie with the US men, when he is on he might be much better. And Hanyu's injury doesn't hinder his chance of competing at Worlds even if he skipped the GP series. And he hasn't pulled out of any GP yet.
Overall I'd say, without PChan, other men have more chances at medals, but it's open for everyone, not just for the US men.
Not to mention, There is a high chance of PChan coming back in season 2015-2016.
 

Skater Boy

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I see your point Meoima; Ido think Ferandez and Ten get a little bit over marked to Hanyu Tak and Chan. Their skating skills arenot the same level though they are getting some big tricks done sometimes. Fernandez reminds bit of Candelero - one of those great personality skaters. but the US boys are capable of big tricks and some style. They just need to to get somenoe consistently on top is it Brown that seems to be the current darling or will Abbott seize the day - as a rsult of his age and artistry I can see him winning a world medal and then retiring (or I can se ehim winning a medal and the maybe "staying around too long" and having that bronze medal curse - somehow you get these bronze medallis who sneak in for amedal then they sort of whither away).
 

Meoima

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I see your point Meoima; Ido think Ferandez and Ten get a little bit over marked to Hanyu Tak and Chan. Their skating skills arenot the same level though they are getting some big tricks done sometimes. Fernandez reminds bit of Candelero - one of those great personality skaters. but the US boys are capable of big tricks and some style. They just need to to get somenoe consistently on top is it Brown that seems to be the current darling or will Abbott seize the day - as a rsult of his age and artistry I can see him winning a world medal and then retiring (or I can se ehim winning a medal and the maybe "staying around too long" and having that bronze medal curse - somehow you get these bronze medallis who sneak in for amedal then they sort of whither away).
Yeah, Jeremy is capable of getting a bronze at worlds IF he can pull 2 programs together. That would be great for him to end his career. I still think he should have been placed 4th at Saitama instead of 5. But I don't know if he can pull it together. I hope all the best for him.
As for Jason I can see him in top 5 at best, not sure about medal since he need 1 or 2 quad for a medal. I think Max has better chance at medal than Jason since Max has quads.
 

HanDomi

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The thing is Abott landing quads in both SP and LP in one competition is very unlikely :p We will see this season, but he is not getting younger. And still this isn't enough if other guys with big weapons will deliver. I would say that from US men biggest weapons have AAron but there is big problem delivering that all
 

Jammers

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I really hope this is Jeremy's last season competing. US men are in good shape if inconsistent but then so is Jeremy and he's pushing 30 so his tech is maxed out while the younger guys can keep pushing themselves.
 

Skater Boy

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Regardless of whether Jeremy medals or not there have been many great skaters who sadly never got a world medal. Josee Chouinard, Emanuel Sandhu,Malinana, I just hope he can move on.
 

fallingsk8er

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The US men are in best shape since Evan Lysacek was competing. I expect Max Aaron, Joshua Farris and Jason Brown to be the top 3 this year.
 

Sandpiper

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Jeremy's medal chances depend not only on his own performances, but on how the others skate. In an event as well skated as 2014 Worlds, he won't medal no matter what he does (though he possibly deserved 4th). He just doesn't have the technical arsenal to compete with the two+ quad guys, and though some enjoy his artistry, his years of inconsistency will not give him the PCS to make up for the TES deficit.

That being said, 2014 Worlds was an unusually well skated event, and it's probably too optimistic to expect it every year. If a few favourites bomb, Jeremy can sneak up for bronze if he skates his absolute best. Unfortunately, it's also too optimistic to expect a clean SP + LP from Jeremy in a badly skated event.
 

Meoima

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Jeremy's medal chances depend not only on his own performances, but on how the others skate. In an event as well skated as 2014 Worlds, he won't medal no matter what he does (though he possibly deserved 4th). He just doesn't have the technical arsenal to compete with the two+ quad guys, and though some enjoy his artistry, his years of inconsistency will not give him the PCS to make up for the TES deficit.

That being said, 2014 Worlds was an unusually well skated event, and it's probably too optimistic to expect it every year. If a few favourites bomb, Jeremy can sneak up for bronze if he skates his absolute best. Unfortunately, it's also too optimistic to expect a clean SP + LP from Jeremy in a badly skated event.
Totally agree, sad truth but true. :eek:hwell: maybe all well skate at Saitama were partially due to the warmness of the audience?
 

aromaticchicken

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The US men are in best shape since Evan Lysacek was competing. I expect Max Aaron, Joshua Farris and Jason Brown to be the top 3 this year.
Agreed, though I wouldn't be surprised if dornbush manages a few upsets throughout the season if the other three don't skate clean. (especially if Jason holds off on the quad AND skates poorly)
 

jace93

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Totally agree, sad truth but true. :eek:hwell: maybe all well skate at Saitama were partially due to the warmness of the audience?

Don't think so... London's world had also a very warm audience, but that competition was completely killed by the nerve of the skaters... one of the worst free skate in history IMO
 

Meoima

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Don't think so... London's world had also a very warm audience, but that competition was completely killed by the nerve of the skaters... one of the worst free skate in history IMO
Now that I think about it. It's difficult to tell which was worse, the Free skate at Sochi or at London's worlds?:p
 

silverfoxes

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Not one mention of Adam Rippon in this thread? :disapp: I certainly wouldn't write him off yet. I think he has a very good chance to medal at Finlandia, particularly without Yuzuru there.
 

skatedreamer

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Unfortunately, it's also too optimistic to expect a clean SP + LP from Jeremy in a badly skated event.

Sadly, have to agree w/ you on this. :cry: I'm one of those people who appreciates Jeremy's artistry and wish he could master his nerves enough to put together back-to-back clean programs.
 

samson

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I'm looking forward to seeing how Adam does at Finlandia. He seemed to start so strong last season at Skate America and Afternoon of the Faun was a stunning program but he just didn't seem able to connect all the dots. I'm curious if and which quads he's attempting this season. I know last year he was working on the two and the lutz. I guess we'll get an indication where he's at in about a week!

Is it too early to talk about Nebelhorn SP? Jason skated there, but I'll hold off if folks still feel like it's a spoiler. I will say though video is already available of the programs on demand!
 
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