2015 Mordovian Ornament General Chat15-18 Oct , Saransk, Russia

ISU Event Page
http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pa...endar-of-events/2015/10/cs-mordovian-ornament

Announcement
http://isuproddata.blob.core.windows.net/media/222855/csrus_announcement_mordovian-ornament.pdf

Current entries are here:
http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent00051644.htm


Men: Kovtun, Gachinski, Samohin, Vasiljevs, Samarin
http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00028378.htm

Ladies: Sotnikova, Pogorilaya, Artemieva, Galustyan
http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00028379.htm

Pairs: Kavaguti/Smirnov, Zabijako/Enbert, Bazarova/Deputat
http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00028380.htm

Ice dance: Bobrova/Soloviev, Ilinykh/Zhiganshin, Tobias/Tkachenko, Agafonova/Ucar, Kim/Minov
http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00028381.htm

Artur!

Also will be good to see Adelina in her first outing since the injury.

Looks like there will be some interesting entries!

I would like to know why it is called Mordavian "Ornament" and not Mordavian "Trophy" or "Cup"?

dorispulaski said:

I would like to know why it is called Mordavian "Ornament" and not Mordavian "Trophy" or "Cup"?

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I too would be interested to know the reason .

Copying below my previous shot-in-the-dark (completely unconfirmed :hopelessness speculation from another thread:

golden411 said:

Мордовские узоры is the Russian name of the Challenger event in Saransk ....

http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...es-Confirmed&p=1141210&viewfull=1#post1141210 (post #21)​

Мордовские узоры is the name also of a store in Saransk that sells clothing/costumes/uniforms.

https://vk.com/mordovskieuzory​

So perhaps the store is sponsoring the Challenger comp???

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dorispulaski said:

I would like to know why it is called Mordavian "Ornament" and not Mordavian "Trophy" or "Cup"?

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Mordovian ornament is famous traditional decoration created in Mordovia. And AFAIK Mordovian company 'Мордовские узоры' (Mordovian Ornament) is one of the sponsors of this Challenger.

https://www.google.ru/search?q=морд...ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIgtqzpo-GyAIVwZFyCh04lALT

Snow63 said:

Mordovian ornament is famous traditional decoration created in Mordovia. And AFAIK Mordovian company 'Мордовские узоры' (Mordovian Ornament) is one of the sponsors of this Challenger.

https://www.google.ru/search?q=морд...ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIgtqzpo-GyAIVwZFyCh04lALT

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Thank you, Snow .
Pleased to know that my speculation was reasonable in this case .

http://www.museum.ru/alb/image.asp?60766

I like this one!

I hope we wil get some photos of the medals! They should be very cool!

The Finn said:

Ice dance: Bobrova/Soloviev, Ilinykh/Zhiganshin[/url]

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Really? B&S and I&Z are going to do this right off the bat, huh? I don't know if I buy it, or if I think it's a wise idea. But I'm always up for a great competition if they both show!

Ice Dance said:

Really? B&S and I&Z are going to do this right off the bat, huh? I don't know if I buy it, or if I think it's a wise idea. But I'm always up for a great competition if they both show!

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I&Z had picked Saransk since May. I hear B&S also. I&Z are also subs for Finlandia (S&K are assigned there but I doubt they will participate because Marina mentioned SA only). I would love I&Z to do 2 B's but if it's gonna be 1 only I would choose Finlandia at this point because I'm much more interested to see how they will do against W&P and H&D.

Time schedule:

October 16:

14:30 — 17:00 Men, Short Program (Мужчины, короткая программа)

17:15 — 17:45 Opening (Открытие)

18:00 — 19:45 Pairs, Short Program (Пары, короткая программа)

20:00 — 21:45 Ice Dance, Short Dance (Танцы, короткая программа)

October 17:

14:30 — 17:00 Ladies, Short Program (Женщины, короткая программа)

17:15 — 20:15 Men, Free Skaiting (Мужчины, произвольная программа)

20:00 — 21:45 Ice Dance, Free Dance (Танцы, произвольная программа)

October 18:

13:30 — 15:30 Pairs, Free Skaiting (Пары, произвольная программа)

15:45 — 18:30 Ladies, Free Skaiting (Женщины, произвольная программа)

18:45 — 19:30 Prize Awarding (Награждение)

Moscow time (GMT +3)


Time in Saransk
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/russia/saransk

Alba said:

I would love I&Z to do 2 B's but if it's gonna be 1 only I would choose Finlandia at this point because I'm much more interested to see how they will do against W&P and H&D.

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Agree with that. I love B/S but they're basically dark horse team, they can be on top or they can have average results. No one knows how international judges will score them, and how consistent they can be during the season. But W/P are clearly top 3 caliber team, and it would be nice to see how Elena and Ruslan would stand against them.
Not to mention tech panel and judging panel in Finlandia most likely will be international. Not sure about Saransk.

Snow63 said:

Not to mention tech panel and judging panel in Finlandia most likely will be international. Not sure about Saransk.

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The same rules apply to all competitions of the Challenger series.

Each competition must strictly comply with the 2014 ISU Constitution, General and Special Regulations and Technical Rules, in particular but not limited to the current Rules in the 2014 Regulations, namely Rules 102, 108, 352 and 353.

Following the principles of Rule 420, paragraph 5.a) of the 2014 Special Regulations Single & Pair Skating/Ice Dance, the members of each individual Technical Panel (Technical Controller and the Technical Specialists) must not be from the same ISU Member. The Technical Panel members must have the qualification of “ISU”, however one of the three members may have the qualification “International”.

The panel of Judges must include at least 7 Judges, all from different ISU Members. In exceptional cases the minimum of 6 Judges per panel may be authorized by the ISU Vice President Figure Skating. The qualification of the Judges must be at least “International”.

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http://static.isu.org/media/190985/...-2015-16-communicatin-version-jan-20-2015.pdf

The Finn said:

The same rules apply to all competitions of the Challenger series.


http://static.isu.org/media/190985/...-2015-16-communicatin-version-jan-20-2015.pdf

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Thank you for this information. It's really good to know. I actually tried to find this before.

Ergh, European time zones.

Men's SP is at a reasonably acceptable hour, so that's all right. FS, on the other hand...

Alba said:

I'm much more interested to see how they will do against W&P and H&D.

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I'm not. Pretty sure they'll finish smack dab in between them. W&P still have a lot more years on I&Z as a team, and Hurtado & Diaz do not have the speed to compare. Much more significant to find out which Russian team is on top, but I'm not sure there's an advantage to I&Z in doing so early. They get a neutral start at CoC, then the home field at CoR, while B&S face a tough field in Canada at their first competition. I see no advantage to either Russian team being pegged number two early. I thought it was a mistake for USFSA to send the Shibs to Skate America with Chock & Bates last season, and I still feel that way. Make the international judges work a little. That's my perspective.

Saransk is about 500 km (300 miles) to the east from Moscow, railroad 642 km long.
Moscow-Saransk - one night (about 9-10 hours) by train or about 1 h 30 m by plane.

Saransk has good ice rink, and there are often Nationals (Senior 2011, 2012, Junior 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014) and Final of Russian Cup (2015, planned 2016).

We see, Saransk has experience of hosting high-level FS competitions, because of that Challenge Series Event will be in Saransk.

Ice Dance said:

I'm not. Pretty sure they'll finish smack dab in between them. W&P still have a lot more years on I&Z as a team, and Hurtado & Diaz do not have the speed to compare.

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I was referring to Hubbell and Donohue, not Hurtado&Diaz. I'm not saying I'm interested to see if they win against W&P but see if they can close the gap, compared with the last season, because I think they are aiming for higher this season.

Much more significant to find out which Russian team is on top, but I'm not sure there's an advantage to I&Z in doing so early. They get a neutral start at CoC, then the home field at CoR, while B&S face a tough field in Canada at their first competition. I see no advantage to either Russian team being pegged number two early. I thought it was a mistake for USFSA to send the Shibs to Skate America with Chock & Bates last season, and I still feel that way. Make the international judges work a little. That's my perspective.

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Maybe you're right but I don't think Saransk will determine who's russian no. 1. I think the GP's and RN will give us a better idea about that. However, as I said, you might be right that it is a little to early to put them together so early. Competition is good but I think Russia does need to boost their teams, separately, as much as they can and more so now that they have lost a spot.

Alba said:

I was referring to Hubbell and Donohue, not Hurtado&Diaz. I'm not saying I'm interested to see if they win against W&P but see if they can close the gap, compared with the last season, because I think they are aiming for higher this season.

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Hubbell & Donahue aren't assigned to Finlandia (though it would be a more interesting match-up). Hawayek & Baker are the U.S. team there. IMO, the real competition is at Ondrej Nepela, where I&Z were originally scheduled to compete before they withdrew. Hubbell & Donahue were originally listed for Ondrej Nepela--along with the Shibs, Gilles & Poirier, and Coomes & Buckland; but H&D aren't on the list anymore. Apparently they weren't ever listed there on the U.S. assignment site so I'm not sure if they withdrew or should have been listed as substitutes from the start.

I agree that competition is good. You CAN'T win if you aren't there. I can't list how many times I've seen a team skip a major competition (seems like it happens at Europeans a lot) in the middle of a tough rivalry, and then their main opponents have a major error. There went the opportunity of a lifetime, because a team didn't show up.

I have a lot of respect for teams that go out and face high-level competition early in the season. I also think it's smart to get out there and get real feedback on your programs before a GP debut. Just don't think doing it internally is wise for a federation with two teams gunning for the same high rankings. If I was B&S, I wouldn't want to go up against the Shibs as Russia's number 2 and likewise for I&Z facing C&L in China. No matter how temporary that number two position. I'm not saying it wouldn't be insurmountable. The programs and performance are always more significant. But this is dance. All things not being equal, it helps to be your country's number one.

It could help one of these two teams to hold those bragging rights early in the season. But I don't see it helping the strength of the larger Russian team in general. (Just as I don't see that it helped USFSA last season. They had Chock & Bates designated #1 right off the bat; and when C&B had problems at the GPF--where both teams should have met, the Shibs seemed to have no chance of outscoring them. Even though C&B had a fall and the Shibs outscored everyone else in the short throughout the season). These are two teams who finished back to back at the Olympics the season before so I think the comparison is a reasonable one for B&S and I&Z. Why not send both teams out into the field & see where they land? And--as I said--make the judges work.

I don't think it's entirely comparable, the Shibs didn't start getting their levels until Nationals, at which point they were playing catchup. Starting out as #1 doesn't necesaarily mean you'll end that way. Had the Shibs gotten their levels consistently earlier in the season, things may have turned out differently.