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Iconic jump combination
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Maybe I'm wrong but Lysacek had 3A-Lo-3F combination, too.
Plushenko could land in 4T-2lo, and in 4S in competition.. Probably if Yagudin didn't retire Plushenko used those jumps and combinations, but he did not have to use them because he was so far from the others technically..
Plushenko 3A-3t-3lo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3VXXcVhIRs&t=2m40s
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You're correct that he practiced it. He posted it to social media when he was training to come back after Vancouver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjYqEJsGYUg
I'm pretty sure that Plushenko did 3Lz+1Lo+3F in competition before he did the 1Lo+3F with the axel at the Olympics.
Probably 2001 NHK, but I can't find it online.
Obviously he had been practicing these kinds of combinations and didn't just decide to try it for the first time in the middle of a competitive program.
Probably 2001 NHK, but I can't find it online.
Obviously he had been practicing these kinds of combinations and didn't just decide to try it for the first time in the middle of a competitive program.
Tonya had in SA 1991, And Midori in 1991, too. However, their styles are very different.
Ironically, when I think of Mao and her jumping combinations, her 3F+3Lo is the first that I think of. Idk if it's actually iconic or not, but I tend to think of that combination more so than her 3A combination (but if we were talking about solo jumps it would be the 3A).
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No need to scold me about its not being unique or iconic. I responded to someone else's post, who listed the combo in this thread as Yuzuru's at (the last?) Autumn Classic.
I like Ashley's performance of this combination much better than Elena's or Anna's. There's the added fillip that she first put it in her program at the "advanced" age of 23. :luv17:
My bad I was reading the thread from the beginning from karne's post on the first page. Point still stands, it's iconic because he did it first.
I'm not scolding you? I never said that Elena or Anna's is better than Ashley's, just that this combination is actually moderately common and not really attributed to any skater.
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I always liked Irina Slutskaya's triple salchow/triple loop. As a Michelle Kwan rider, I can finally admit it. LOL!
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Among the ladies... Can anything beat Tara Lipinski 3Lo-3Lo? Well, a 3Lz-3Lz or even a 3F-3Lz definitely could. O,o
Could a skater actually have a 3F or a 3Lz as the end of a combination without a 1Lo? Because they would be landing on their right skate, which they need for the toepick. But I'm not a skater so I'm not sure
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I have never seen Midori skate in person. However, I have seen Tonya and Kristi Yamaguchi skate together at Skate America in 1991. I think because Tonya was such a big jumper that people forget that she was also a very good performer. Her music was a bit frightening but, she really did have a good feel for the music. Especially "Europa" the section before the ZZ Top ending. How you go from Robin Hood, to Europa, to ZZ Top, I'll never now.
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Could a skater actually have a 3F or a 3Lz as the end of a combination without a 1Lo? Because they would be landing on their right skate, which they need for the toepick. But I'm not a skater so I'm not sure
Some time ago I watched a video on yt of a Lz-Lz, so I assume it is possible yet extremely difficult, because the skater should be "ambidextrous" and have the ability to make the first 3Lz in one direction and the second in the other. It is sort of a "fantasy combo", yet it'd be sensational to see it for real, since seems to be possible.
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Could a skater actually have a 3F or a 3Lz as the end of a combination without a 1Lo? Because they would be landing on their right skate, which they need for the toepick. But I'm not a skater so I'm not sure
Spinning each jump in opposite directions maybe
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Could a skater actually have a 3F or a 3Lz as the end of a combination without a 1Lo? Because they would be landing on their right skate, which they need for the toepick. But I'm not a skater so I'm not sure
No. A change of edge makes it a sequence and not a combo. The only way it could be done is if the skater can do 3Lz in both directions, but that would be extremely difficult. 3F would be impossible because it requires a change of edge.
Well there are always those fantastic 3A-3T's Midori did in warm ups. She got 6.0's in technical marks without them so it's no wonder she didn't try them in competition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-wCqJmwQRA
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Spinning each jump in opposite directions maybe
Might not be such a wild idea! During practice sessions at worlds this year, Satoko was putting in a reasonable effort at a double flip in the opposite direction to her normal jumping direction. If she was ever able to steady that and put it in at the end of a triple lutz - THAT would be iconic! I'd love to see any bonus implications for the IJS of oppositely rotated jumps, especially in combination. Doesn't seem likely we'll see it but who would have guessed but a few years ago that the only quads we'd not have seen landed in competition as yet were the loop and the axel?
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Hmm...I remember Tsurskaya doing a 3lz-1lo-3f but I can't seem to find a link to the video....
No, lutz can takeoff directly from the landing of another jump, in the opposite direction.
Flip would take off in the same direction as the first jump, but the skater would have to land the preceding jump on the back inside edge of the "wrong" foot -- or put a single loop landed on the back inside of the other foot, i.e., a half-loop, in between two multirevolution jumps.
My recommendation would be that the jump rotated in the opposite direction would get a bonus to the base value of 1.0 per revolution, or 0.5 per half revolution, to account for axels and downgraded jumps.
And for sequences with two multirev jumps that rotate opposite directions with other hops in between, the two highest value jumps get 80% base value plus the opposite-direction jump would get the reverse direction bonus.
Then it would be up to the tech panel to identify which jump was in the skater's bad direction. Might not be obvious especially if the reversing combination were the first jump element in the program.
I don't think we'd see this with two triples any time soon, but if there's enough of a bonus we might see single axels or doubles in the bad direction combined with a double axel or triple.
And then if it becomes popular, someday a naturally ambidextrous might manage to combine triples both ways.
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