Level 4 Layback without Biellmann

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Binkie

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• Jun 26, 2016

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Hi! I've wondered recently if it was possible that you can get a level four on a layback WITHOUT a biellmann.
So far the combination for that I've seen is

-Difficult Entry
-8+ Rotations
-Difficult Variation
-Difficult Variation

If I could get some responses on if this is actually possible, other ways to get the level 4, and/or references, that would be great!

Thanks!

 

karne

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• Jun 26, 2016

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Hmmm, let me think...

- difficult entry - let's say an illusion, seems to be the popular one.
- 8 revs - speaks for itself really
- difficult variation 1: I'm pretty sure a change from side to back or vice versa is considered one of these
- difficult variation 2: increase in speed (ala Brooklee Han)

 

sarama

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Right now I can think of these two:
Viktoria Helgesson
Wakaba Higuchi

 

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Both Gabrielle Daleman and Alaine Chartrand do level 4 laybacks without doing a biellmann.

 

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LuisRollerArg

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the best layback without a biellman:

VIKTORIA HELGESSON!!

 

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coucou84

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• Jun 30, 2016

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My first reaction was Alaine Chartrand. I believe she's the only one doing a forward edge on her haircutter.
You can also get a level for going from sideways to layback or vice versa, but it needs to be a clear change.
So someone can do like Illusion entry, into a sideways spin, change to layback, grab their skate into a haircutter and hold it for 8 rotations.

 

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twirlingblades

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When they added the 8+ revolution level, you can pretty easily do a level four layback as long as you have distinct positions.

 

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twirlingblades said:

When they added the 8+ revolution level, you can pretty easily do a level four layback as long as you have distinct positions.

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My non gumby daughter has had level 4 for three seasons, its not hard .

 

narcissa

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sarama said:

Right now I can think of these two:
Viktoria Helgesson
Wakaba Higuchi

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WOW!

 

vlaurend

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• Aug 2, 2016

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1. Difficult entry
2. 8 revolutions in position
3. Change to sideways lean
4. Haircutter

Ideally, she could do 8 revolutions in haircutter position, which would be two features at once.
Or if she speeds up the spin during the 8 revolutions, that's also 2 features at once. I love how Helgesson does a change of edge at the end of hers to get the 4th feature! Brilliant!

 

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mskater93

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Actually, it's really (almost) impossible to get 8 and clear increase of speed at the same time, at least consistently. To get 8 revs as a feature, you are not to change the position in any way (so no moving foot or arms) and clear increase of speed in a layback comes from pulling the arms in and (often times) the free leg down/in.

 

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figureskater9292123

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• Sep 10, 2016

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I do mine with the biellmann, but you could also do:
-Difficult Entry: Mine is an illusion but you could also do traveling turns.
-Side-to-Back
-Haircutter
-Hold a position for 8
Hope this helps!