Grand Prix 2017-18 News and Chat

LRK said:

Thank you both.

I think it is a great thing to do, and I wish more would follow suit.

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Uhm, perhaps the amazing Ted Barton could do an 'intervention' at a future ISU meeting....

....so far he's managed to get the ISU JPG streamed, and Skate Canada's domestic streaming is up.... [Not only Nationals and the pre-nationals qualifier Challenge, and his own BC/YK Section events, but it looks as though this year's national summer series competitions may be streamed to give us an early peek at new programs.]

Let's help him line up those talking points....
- deepen the global audience
- let young skaters and their coaches see how the elite levels prepare for major events
- get those 'only in practice' elements recorded on video
- build up anticipation for the event and pre-event media
- sell more tickets and increase revenue

Lunna said:

I know that SC have open practice and maybe SA? CoR is also closed to the public. Even that GPF will be in Japan I hope that practicies will be open (like at other GPFs). The only thing I don't like about events in Japan is that they don't allow to take photos and videos at the event as far as I heard. So no fancams for us ((

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Oh no! CoR practices also closed to the public.

Does anyone knows whether the practices at GPF 2013 in Japan open to public? As far as I remember all events and ice shows in Japan the practices are closed to public plus no photo & fancam :gaah:

alia jackson said:

Oh no! CoR practices also closed to the public.

Does anyone knows whether the practices at GPF 2013 in Japan open to public? As far as I remember all events and ice shows in Japan the practices are closed to public plus no photo & fancam :gaah:

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I remember a competition in Japan with open practices, but I can´t remember what event . But yes, most events in Japan have practices closed to the public

Thought I’d have a go at this for Ladies now that WTT is over and we know the final Seasons Bests – quite significant for Xiangning Li of China BTW. Also try to summarise by country.

Assumptions – rankings based after recalculation of world rankings. Also skaters are effectively taken in seasons best order after all guaranteed 1 and 2 spots and Host Picks are taken. Also assuming no retirements, injuries and that all age eligible juniors move up. If not the skaters listed at the bottom will be next in line for either their 1st or 2nd slots depending on how many they’ve already got.

Russia (18 slots) – Medvedeva, Sotskova, Pogorilaya, Radionova, Tuktamysheva, Zagitova, Tsurskaya, Leonova all 2 slots. Konstantinova 1 slot. Host Pick – TBA, but likely to be 2nd for Konstantinova, or 1st for Lipnitskaya, Sakhanovich or maybe Fedichkina. Also see comments at the bottom.

USA (15 slots) – Chen, Wagner, Bell, Gold, Nagasu, Edmunds all 2 slots. Edmunds gets 1 as ‘return skater’ rather than ‘comeback skater’, plus 1 via 2015-16 seasons best. Glenn, Hicks, 1 slot. Host Pick – TBA (assume 1 of these).

Japan (13 slots) – Mihara, Higuchi, Miyahara, Hongo, Honda, Sakamoto all 2 slots. Host Pick – TBA (assume 1 of these).

Canada (7 slots) – Osmond, Daleman, Chartrand (1 as host pick) 2 slots. Tamura = host pick, but is 81st in seasons best. China has had skaters lower than 75th in past, but will other federations be OK with Canada having Tamura in an Olympic year? If not next in line will be Yura Matsuda (JPN) – see below.

Korea (4 slots) – Choi and Park both 2.

China (4 slots) = Zijun Li, Xiangning Li both 2 (1 each as Host, 1 via seasons best).

Italy (3 slots) – Kostner 2, Rodeghiero 1 (seasons best too low for 2).

France (3 slots) – Lecavalier 2, Meite 1 (Host Pick)

Kazakhsan (2 slots) – Tursynbaeva 2.

Slovakia (2 slots) – Rajicova 2.

Hungary (1 slot) – Toth 1 (seasons best too low for 2).


Skaters who just got in i.e. will miss out on a pick for example if there are extra host picks other than those assumed. Last one in i.e. Xiangning Li at bottom.

Glenn
Edmunds
Hicks
Hongo
Rajicova
Xiangning Li


Skaters just missing cut off, but will get 1st or 2nd slot as appropriate if slots free up through retirement, injury etc. N.B. For Russians needs to be a Russian dropping out as they already have 18 slots - fun and games re Leonova? E.g. If 1 slot Sakhanovich below could get a slot if someone else drops out. Alternatively could be 2 Host Picks plus Medvedeva as ‘star of the show’.

Matsuda (JPN)
Sakhanovich (RUS)
Kim (KOR)
Shiraiwa (JPN)
Nitaya (JPN)
Hendrickx (BEL)
Toth (HUN)
Meite (FRA)
Aoki (JPN) (assume stays in Juniors)
Tennell (USA)
Schott (GER)
Lipnitskaya (RUS)
Fedichkina (RUS)
Rodeghiero (ITA)

Also just missing out, Angelina Kuchvalska. Will be 25th in rankings once Mao is removed from them (Kanako Murakami is too low to have an effect). However long way down seasons best list. Would need a retirement of someone in the Top 24 to get a slot though. Also have assumed Roberta Rodeghiero and Ivett Toth will only get 1 slot despite their rankings being in the top 24 as their seasons bests are too low – not impossible for Ivett to get a 2nd slot via the above though.

And a go for the Men. Assumptions as for the Ladies.

USA (14 slots) – Chen, Brown, Rippon, Zhou, Aaron, Hochstein 2 slots, Dolensky 1 slot. Host Pick – TBA (assume 1 of these). Also see comments re Joshua Farris below.

Russia (13 slots) – Kolyada, Kovtun, Aliev, Samarin, Voronov, Petrov 2 slots. Host Pick – TBA (assume 1 of these).

Japan (9 slots) – Hanyu, Uno, Mura, Tanaka 2 slots. Host Pick – TBA (assume 1 of these).

Canada (8 slots) – Chan, Reynolds 2 slots, Nguyen, Balde 1 slot. Host Picks – TBA (assume 2 of these i.e. Chan at SC, and both Reynolds' events outside Canada).

China (5 slots) = Jin, Yan both 2, Li 1 (Host Pick, but 80th in Seasons Bests – other Federations OK with this?).

Israel 4 slots) – Bychenko, Samohin both 2.

France (3 slots) – Besseghier 2 (1 as Host), Aymoz 1 (Host)

Spain (2 slots) – Fernandez 2.

Korea (2 slots) – Cha 2.

Kazakhstan (2 slots) – Ten 2.

Georgia (2 slots) – Kvitelashvili 2 slots (13th at worlds, but gets 2 assuming Misha Ge (UZB) has retired), otherwise 1, Ge gets 2 and Elladj Balde moves to top of below reserve list.

Latvia (2 slots) – Vasiljevs 2.

Belgium (2 slots) – Hendrickx 2.

Australia (1 slot) – Kerry 1.

Sweden (1 slot) – Majorov 1.

Czech Republic (1 slot) – Brezina 1.

Germany (1 slot) – Fentz 1


Skaters who just got in i.e. will miss out on a pick for example if there are extra host picks other than those assumed. Last one in i.e. Balde at bottom.

Majorov
Brezina
Dolensky
Fentz
Balde

If Joshua Farris returns he will get 2 slots as a 'return' skater exactly the same as Polina Edmunds in the Ladies, while Fentz and Balde will move to the top of the below reserve list.


Skaters just missing cut off, but will get 1st or 2nd slot as appropriate if slots free up through retirement, injury etc.

Krasnozhon (USA) (stays in juniors?)
Gorshkov (RUS) (retired?)
Messing (CAN)
Savosin (RUS) (stays in juniors?)
Dmitriev (RUS)
Sadovsky (CAN) (stays in juniors?)
Erokhov (RUS) (stays in juniors?)
Murakami (JPN)
Shulepov (RUS)
Miner (USA)
Martinez (PHI)
Yee (MAS)
Tomono (JPN)
Firus (CAN)

Host pick for USA might be used for a certain someone else, depending on how other things go.

One thing is sure: original GP lists will not not stay the same till GP actually starts (ijnuries, splits, retirements)...

Miller said:

Skaters who just got in i.e. will miss out on a pick if there are extra host picks other than those assumed. In descending order i.e. last one in first – Krasnozhon, Balde, Fentz, Dolensky, Brezina, Majorov.

Skaters just missing cut off, but will get 1st or 2nd slot as appropriate if slots free up through retirement, injury etc.

Gorshkov (RUS)
Messing (CAN)
Savosin (RUS)
Dmitriev (RUS)
Sadovsky (CAN)
Erokhov (RUS)
Murakami (JPN)
Shulepov (RUS)
Miner (USA)
Martinez (PHI)
Yee (MAS)

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I don't expect Krasnozhon, Erokhov or Savosin to turn senior...and Gorshkov is retired (not officially confirmed, but all signs point to it & Mikhail Sharov said as much)

I wonder who, if anyone, will sit out the GP season. Someone nearly always does.

ancientpeas said:

I wonder who, if anyone, will sit out the GP season. Someone nearly always does.

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With Olympic season it's possible hwell:
In ice dance no though, I feel like it's the discipline where you need momentum. But maybe one pair or one men.

Anyasnake said:

With Olympic season it's possible hwell:
In ice dance no though, I feel like it's the discipline where you need momentum. But maybe one pair or one men.

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Many top Pairs couldn't compete this season (Knierims, Stolbova/Klimov, Sui/Han) so I don't expect them to sit it out out of their free will again, but who knows. I think if there will be some who sit it out it will be somehow related to injuries... (because no one want to miss Olympics because of aggravated injury, there may be more WDs)

Anyasnake said:

With Olympic season it's possible hwell:
In ice dance no though, I feel like it's the discipline where you need momentum. But maybe one pair or one men.

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I wonder if S/H might sit out. With her injury they might feel it's better to focus on the Olympics. It didn't hurt them this season.

But I agree that in Dance you pretty much need to skate well in the fall to assure yourself a spot on the Podium. I think P/C are about the only skaters who could show up at the Olympics and still medal.

ancientpeas said:

I wonder if S/H might sit out. With her injury they might feel it's better to focus on the Olympics. It didn't hurt them this season.

But I agree that in Dance you pretty much need to skate well in the fall to assure yourself a spot on the Podium. I think P/C are about the only skaters who could show up at the Olympics and still medal.

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Also V/M let's be real.

karne said:

Host pick for USA might be used for a certain someone else, depending on how other things go.

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Do you mean Joshua Farris? If so he'll get 2 slots in exactly the same way as Polina Edmunds in the Ladies. Balde and Krasnozhon will go to the top of the 'reserve list' though as Silverfoxes says Krasnozhon may not move up to seniors.

ancientpeas said:

I wonder if S/H might sit out. With her injury they might feel it's better to focus on the Olympics. It didn't hurt them this season.

But I agree that in Dance you pretty much need to skate well in the fall to assure yourself a spot on the Podium. I think P/C are about the only skaters who could show up at the Olympics and still medal.

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What injury? She had surgery last year, recovered and she has no injury anymore. Why would they sit out again GP series?

cathlen said:

What injury? She had surgery last year, recovered and she has no injury anymore. Why would they sit out again GP series?

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I thought they were saying she wasn't 100% yet. Why didn't they skate WTT?

tulosai said:

Also V/M let's be real.

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Yes, you are probably correct. I'd say the battle for gold and silver is between them and even if both skipped the GP season it probably wouldn't effect this much. The battle is for bronze. All those teams definitely need to compete and compete hard.

But then again the ice is slippery and anything could happen. I mean a wiped out element could doom any of top two. Lets just hope we don't have Torino again.

ancientpeas said:

I thought they were saying she wasn't 100% yet. Why didn't they skate WTT?

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Same reason as P/C and others I guess, to get rest? Even if she's not 100%, they have half a year till GP, right? Unless she'll (or he) get new injury I see no reason to skip GP.... They could earn some ranking points and get some money.

cathlen said:

Same reason as P/C and others I guess, to get rest? Even if she's not 100%, they have half a year till GP, right? Unless she'll (or he) get new injury I see no reason to skip GP.... They could earn some ranking points and get some money.

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Oh I'll be really sad if they don't do the GP season. They are my favourite team. I guess I'm just not sure if in a year where one event and one event only really matters what they will do. I guess no one really knows if her injury is like Tessa Virtue's. Is it because of overtraining? Is she one of those skaters who needs to focus more on big events? I don't know. I don't think any of us know for sure.

Miller said:

Skaters just missing cut off, but will get 1st or 2nd slot as appropriate if slots free up through retirement, injury etc.

Gorshkov (RUS) (retired?)
Messing (CAN)
Savosin (RUS)
Dmitriev (RUS)
Sadovsky (CAN)
Erokhov (RUS)
Murakami (JPN)
Shulepov (RUS)
Miner (USA)
Martinez (PHI)
Yee (MAS)

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Savosin, Erokhov, Sadovsky are all still age eligible for JGP and might opt to compete there instead. Same goes for Kraznoshon.

I would also think Nicolas Nadeau and Liam Firus would be in consideration for the SC host spot and may be able to get 1 GP assignment even if they don't get the host spot.