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Thread: 2017 World Team Trophy - Day 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Even though he came 2nd overall, edging out Yuzuru, it was probably a bad idea for Chen to have skated in Japan, given the PCS treatment that his marks got (a bit underscored, IMO, but the placements in the SP and FS were totally fine) -- he should avoid NHK trophy like the plague next season. It was like the opposite of home-ice inflation -- rival-ice deflation.
    Yes, the way foreign skaters should avoid 2017 Skate America like plague, especially as it is the last event and US skaters will get even more boost than usually to get them into GPF, I´d guess....

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    In the free skate, Nathan peaked technically at 4CC. His tes was highest at 4CC, so it seems his pcs is being scored in a similar way. Or it could reinforce how his programs impact is hitting those jumps perfectly.

    As for the SP...well Jason got his personal best pcs here, so I can't quite buy the foreign skaters are screwed theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Yes, the way foreign skaters should avoid 2017 Skate America like plague, especially as it is the last event and US skaters will get even more boost than usually to get them into GPF, I´d guess....
    Shoma has been doing well at Skate America. He has to skate somewhere and he won't get NHK, so I wonder where he'll go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beki View Post
    And her free program is better than short. Do think she'll become China #1
    Xiangning's foundations just seem so much stronger than Zijun's IMO - in terms of jumps, stroking and posture/line. And it's impressive how she was able to acquired both 3Z and 3F (in 3-3!) rather late!! Hope the Chinese fed sees the great potential in her and finally get her a real choreographer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaiKatze View Post
    Shoma has been doing well at Skate America. He has to skate somewhere and he won't get NHK, so I wonder where he'll go.
    Really? I feel it's quite likely he'll get NHK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    As for the SP...well Jason got his personal best pcs here, so I can't quite buy the foreign skaters are screwed theory.
    Because there is nothing gained from "screwing" over Jason. He does not need to be held down. Clean Jason will not be a threat to the top skaters unless they have a meltdown.

    FS is such a political sport. Of course we don't have proof, but I can't say I don't love the conspiracy theories!

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    Quote Originally Posted by narcissa View Post
    Really? I feel it's quite likely he'll get NHK
    Well, I don't mind that... but I would imagine Hanyu would get NHK. As long as either of them comes to Skate Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    It was a rival-skaters-are-screwed theory. Brown wasn't the one who took out Hanyu and Uno at 4CC, sparking a campaign attempting to trivialize his artistry and programs. And one-quad Chan and Kolyada weren't exactly a threat either. I mean Chen should have been above 100 even with reduced content. But regardless, he was still 2nd in the SP and 2nd overall, and against other guys putting in more ambitious content while scaling back on his own.
    Um by JSF?

    YMMV, but I just don't see the point of boo-hooing a skater whose PCS was 1 point lower than previous competition when he went from 37 to 43 in the course of one season. 42 PCS is still pretty high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Hmmm... perhaps because they want their own skaters - who have lost to him this season - to have the best chance of winning? #StatingTheObvious
    Uhm... no, maybe not everybody thinks like that, hard as that might be to imagine for you?

    Nathan happens to be very popular with Japanese fans. A lot of direct rivals to their own skaters happen to be very popular in Japan.

    I dunno, but accusing a whole nation of "feverishly" wanting a skater to be marked down would need some form of... relation to reality for me to be an okay statement to make. But I guess there are differences to what "obvious" means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Where did I accuse a whole nation? Or are you just exaggerating again?
    Sorry, you just accused 'some folks especially from Japan' without any ground for it, that is a lot better.

    Edit: and since I didn't read around here at that time but it still annoys me to no end reading it later, regarding this comment from you pages back:

    I'm not so sure about that.

    Anyone know if Chan needs surgery too, and is skating with a nagging injury? Or someone from the Canadian fed said something to him that threw him off?
    Why was it necessary to attack that poster like that? The poster you quoted him-/herself didn't say anything about Yuzu needing surgery in relation to why he skated bad, it was just mentioned in response to someone else asking if something was wrong. And it was just a honest mistake because back in 2015, that pushed back surgery was the case. I'd think jumping at a new member and mocking them like that for an honest mistake is not necessarily fitting behavior for GS staff, but I guess I'm wrong on that account, given that that comment stayed here and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by narcissa View Post
    Really? I feel it's quite likely he'll get NHK
    Uno and Hanyu can't be at the same event. Hanyu will get NHK (or the JSF are stupid).

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    A campaign to *diminish* Nathan's artistry? All I saw was Phil Hersh shilling for him by interviewing 6th grade ballet teachers, friends and family, and everybody but a busload of bishops to try to convince me Nathan has artistry. I mean, who am I gonna believe? The 6th grade ballet teacher or my lying eyes?

    I'm going with my lying eyes. I see some improvement in Nathan's SP from the season before. I see nothing in his LP. Nothing but jumps. I've seen more joy expressed by people taking calculus exams. I've listened to all the arguments, and I *still* don't see this artistry.

    Nathan's fans will disagree, and that's fine; that's what makes a forum. But a campaign? I have never set foot in Japan, speak no Japanese, do not uber Yuzu or Shoma (I also do not deny their gifts), and if I root for anyone in the "top", I guess it's Javi, but that's probably because last year he skated to Guys and Dolls and I loooove Guys and Dolls and still think kindly of him for it.

    At least now maybe folks will stop campaigning for Nathan as the last great hope for US Oly gold and he can take the risks necessary to develop real artistry.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Well, looking at the locations or avatars of the hordes in the Chen-bashing threads/videos/blog posts after the GPF/4CC, you MIGHT have noticed a certain trend.
    Not really. I know the Hanyu fan thing is a lost cause here, but at least regarding the Japanese fans I'd think ýou should see that you're wrong. There aren't even that many Japanese members here, and I barely remember any of them participating in the "Chen bashing" threads ect. I really don't know where you could even have that idea from.
    Or is this a case of "Everything Asian is Japanese?" Don't do that either
    Again, to the contrary, the Japanese fans are the among the nicets at competitions, rooting for all the skaters, bringing national flags for all of them, Nathan is pretty popular in Japan... I think it's pretty disrespectful to them (and the Japanese members on this board) to generalize like that without any ground for it.

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    I thought that a lot of the anti-Nathan (and anti-Vincent) sentiment on Golden Skate was coming from fans of other US men. They're not worried about him taking world medals away from their favourites, but worried about him/them taking spot(s) on the Olympic and world teams from them.

    There are also people who are just skeptical about bandwagons and the "next great thing". And those who genuinely enjoy artistic skating and genuinely don't see much artistry in Nathan's competition programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el henry View Post
    I'm going with my lying eyes. I see some improvement in Nathan's SP from the season before. I see nothing in his LP. Nothing but jumps. I've seen more joy expressed by people taking calculus exams.

    Oh thanks so much I just could not stop laughing when I read this!

    I don't know what is more 'amusing' though - Nathan not even trying to pretend to put in some choreo or Raf shaking his head in K&C at Nathan's PCS...
    But I must say I applaud whoever chose music for his LP - Mr Borodin is charged with the task of doing all the work so Nathan can just skate from one jump to another calculating how many more quads he needs to put in to kill the competition
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