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Thread: 2017 World Team Trophy - Day 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Hmmm... perhaps because they want their own skaters - who have lost to him this season - to have the best chance of winning? #StatingTheObvious
    Uhm... no, maybe not everybody thinks like that, hard as that might be to imagine for you?

    Nathan happens to be very popular with Japanese fans. A lot of direct rivals to their own skaters happen to be very popular in Japan.

    I dunno, but accusing a whole nation of "feverishly" wanting a skater to be marked down would need some form of... relation to reality for me to be an okay statement to make. But I guess there are differences to what "obvious" means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    Uhm... no, maybe not everybody thinks like that, hard as that might be to imagine for you?

    Nathan happens to be very popular with Japanese fans. A lot of direct rivals to their own skaters happen to be very popular in Japan.

    I dunno, but accusing a whole nation of "feverishly" wanting a skater to be marked down would need some form of... relation to reality for me to be an okay statement to make. But I guess there are differences to what "obvious" means.
    Where did I accuse a whole nation? Or are you just exaggerating again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Where did I accuse a whole nation? Or are you just exaggerating again?
    Sorry, you just accused 'some folks especially from Japan' without any ground for it, that is a lot better.

    Edit: and since I didn't read around here at that time but it still annoys me to no end reading it later, regarding this comment from you pages back:

    I'm not so sure about that.

    Anyone know if Chan needs surgery too, and is skating with a nagging injury? Or someone from the Canadian fed said something to him that threw him off?
    Why was it necessary to attack that poster like that? The poster you quoted him-/herself didn't say anything about Yuzu needing surgery in relation to why he skated bad, it was just mentioned in response to someone else asking if something was wrong. And it was just a honest mistake because back in 2015, that pushed back surgery was the case. I'd think jumping at a new member and mocking them like that for an honest mistake is not necessarily fitting behavior for GS staff, but I guess I'm wrong on that account, given that that comment stayed here and all.
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    Well, looking at the locations or avatars of the hordes in the Chen-bashing threads/videos/blog posts after the GPF/4CC, you MIGHT have noticed a certain trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narcissa View Post
    Really? I feel it's quite likely he'll get NHK
    Uno and Hanyu can't be at the same event. Hanyu will get NHK (or the JSF are stupid).

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    A campaign to *diminish* Nathan's artistry? All I saw was Phil Hersh shilling for him by interviewing 6th grade ballet teachers, friends and family, and everybody but a busload of bishops to try to convince me Nathan has artistry. I mean, who am I gonna believe? The 6th grade ballet teacher or my lying eyes?

    I'm going with my lying eyes. I see some improvement in Nathan's SP from the season before. I see nothing in his LP. Nothing but jumps. I've seen more joy expressed by people taking calculus exams. I've listened to all the arguments, and I *still* don't see this artistry.

    Nathan's fans will disagree, and that's fine; that's what makes a forum. But a campaign? I have never set foot in Japan, speak no Japanese, do not uber Yuzu or Shoma (I also do not deny their gifts), and if I root for anyone in the "top", I guess it's Javi, but that's probably because last year he skated to Guys and Dolls and I loooove Guys and Dolls and still think kindly of him for it.

    At least now maybe folks will stop campaigning for Nathan as the last great hope for US Oly gold and he can take the risks necessary to develop real artistry.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Well, looking at the locations or avatars of the hordes in the Chen-bashing threads/videos/blog posts after the GPF/4CC, you MIGHT have noticed a certain trend.
    Not really. I know the Hanyu fan thing is a lost cause here, but at least regarding the Japanese fans I'd think ýou should see that you're wrong. There aren't even that many Japanese members here, and I barely remember any of them participating in the "Chen bashing" threads ect. I really don't know where you could even have that idea from.
    Or is this a case of "Everything Asian is Japanese?" Don't do that either
    Again, to the contrary, the Japanese fans are the among the nicets at competitions, rooting for all the skaters, bringing national flags for all of them, Nathan is pretty popular in Japan... I think it's pretty disrespectful to them (and the Japanese members on this board) to generalize like that without any ground for it.

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    I thought that a lot of the anti-Nathan (and anti-Vincent) sentiment on Golden Skate was coming from fans of other US men. They're not worried about him taking world medals away from their favourites, but worried about him/them taking spot(s) on the Olympic and world teams from them.

    There are also people who are just skeptical about bandwagons and the "next great thing". And those who genuinely enjoy artistic skating and genuinely don't see much artistry in Nathan's competition programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el henry View Post
    I'm going with my lying eyes. I see some improvement in Nathan's SP from the season before. I see nothing in his LP. Nothing but jumps. I've seen more joy expressed by people taking calculus exams.

    Oh thanks so much I just could not stop laughing when I read this!

    I don't know what is more 'amusing' though - Nathan not even trying to pretend to put in some choreo or Raf shaking his head in K&C at Nathan's PCS...
    But I must say I applaud whoever chose music for his LP - Mr Borodin is charged with the task of doing all the work so Nathan can just skate from one jump to another calculating how many more quads he needs to put in to kill the competition
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