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2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating

Ares

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o_O just curious here, but how anything can be boring with those jumps?
I mean, i could just make a video loop of her jumping and watch it for hours nonstop.


Samarin?

Big jumps often add excitement, but they're not prerequisite for me.
 

dante

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I don't want an answer to this question to be my last words on this forum. ;)
 

topmodel

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To be honest, I'm a little bit worried about what Alina might receive next season, after this year gala... I mean it certainly is original, but can be also controversial and I don't think it's something for the judges.

Whats controversial? That she took a candle to the center of the rink?
 

Spirals for Miles

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Whats controversial? That she took a candle to the center of the rink?

That was Polina.
Alina wore a costume that some called too revealing and too suggestive and mature for her. She skated a program that was definitely not about to become standard in the sport.
I didn't have a problem with it but a lot of people did.
 

tars

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Looking through couple of last novice tourneys.
Those b. 2005+ Russian babies seem to be weaker than 1996-2004 ones, don't you think? :think:

Golden generation will probably dominate till 2022 and then Japanese and Koreans take over next quad, until "Lipnitskaya's children" born 2010+ arrive...
 

Ender

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Looking through couple of last novice tourneys.
Those b. 2005+ Russian babies seem to be weaker than 1996-2004 ones, don't you think? :think:

Golden generation will probably dominate till 2022 and then Japanese and Koreans take over next quad, until "Lipnitskaya's children" born 2010+ arrive...
There’s always up and down. The issue with Russian ladies is that the pool of talent is too big but the spots for them stay the same. Sooner or later, interest in figure skating might go down as the parents don’t see future for their kids in such a competitive environment.
 

tars

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There’s always up and down. The issue with Russian ladies is that the pool of talent is too big but the spots for them stay the same. Sooner or later, interest in figure skating might go down as the parents don’t see future for their kids in such a competitive environment.
Paradox, isn't it? Big popularity resulting in less popularity... :rolleye:

If int'l spots rules don't change, the only hope will be building even greater positive fs environment and skater ethos among children and their parents. I think they're doing it right now - all those mini-tourneys, community gatherings and shows on Christmas, Victory Day, etc..
They need to make rinks a nice and comfy resting places for those families, I like seeing dads and moms cheering for their kids holding even younger siblings in their arms, babushkas and diedushkas sitting proudly in army uniforms, covered with medals, blankets and hot tea. :)
I know about new ice arenas built (CSKA for example), some nice municipal and federal programs, but I also heard there is coaching problem in regions - towns and cities have money and rinks waiting, but young specialists don't want to come to distant areas. I wonder, if sth could be done in this matter, because we know many diamonds are waiting there to be discovered:
Tuktamysheva is from Glazov, 1671 km away from St Petersburg.
Zagitova is from Izhevsk, 1222 km away from Moscow.
Tsurskaya is from Omsk, 2742 km away from Moscow.
Lipnitskaya is from Yekaterinburg, 1789 km away from Moscow.

Is it possible at present Russia's economy level and fs human base to improve standards in regions so much to make raising champions there possible? Is federation making efforts towards this or they gave up and rather focus on smoothing out conditions in Moscow and St Petersburg? :think:
 

ejnsofi

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Looking through couple of last novice tourneys.
Those b. 2005+ Russian babies seem to be weaker than 1996-2004 ones, don't you think? :think:

Golden generation will probably dominate till 2022 and then Japanese and Koreans take over next quad, until "Lipnitskaya's children" born 2010+ arrive...

I don't consider them weaker. Maybe it's because I read the same thing 3-4 years ago and still Russian ladies dominate in juniors (also I read that after You Young and Eunsoo Lim become junior eligible they would become next Junior Champions). A lot of Russian skaters didn't start because of some prominent figure but due to health reasons so I doubt the flow of talented skaters will stop. Also every champion was one out of many once. I doubt anybody in 2010-2012 would thing that little Evgenia Medvedeva would become World Champion one day :love:
 

moriel

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There’s always up and down. The issue with Russian ladies is that the pool of talent is too big but the spots for them stay the same. Sooner or later, interest in figure skating might go down as the parents don’t see future for their kids in such a competitive environment.

I dont think so. Most of the skating is done not aiming at some international medals. I mean, pretty sure that parents of the 7 years old dont think like "ok, she has no chances of winning worlds, so we will make our daughter stop skating and get her to play chess".

There are many internal competition, and FS is popular and affordable.
 

puremagic

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Looking through couple of last novice tourneys.
Those b. 2005+ Russian babies seem to be weaker than 1996-2004 ones, don't you think? :think:

Hard to say. I don't know any other such a gorgeous skaters like Kostornaya or Tsurskaya which are 2003 and 2001 year. Can't remember any other really good skater except these two of 2001/2003 year borned. And such a conveyor like Scherbkova, Tarakanova, Trusova in 2004. So I guess it's better to analyse three years to get the whole picture. 2005-2006-2007. I still can't see how Japanese beautiful ladies can land quads. Their legs are very good for axel jump, so we definitely will see many Japanese skaters who will land 3A, but not quads. Most of them are still have big issues with other jumps and especially toe loops with many urs on them.

But I also think Russia will be cutting off financing year by year and we again will get only Asian domination.

As I said many times before, Russia should organize NFSL - National Figure Skating League which includes only ladies. Many competitions from average skaters to superstars. People love art and beauty on the ice. Spectators will get amazing feelings and organizers will get a big money. All people are in the big plus. But in the country like Russia it's totally impossible. So many talented girls will be abandoned and will be forgotten. Really pity and incredibly sad.
 

Ender

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Ha I would love to see a NFSL for Russian ladies, they should invite other international skaters as well. Ughhh I miss those days of the pro skating competitions. So sad...
 

tars

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Hard to say. I don't know any other such a gorgeous skaters like Kostornaya or Tsurskaya which are 2003 and 2001 year. Can't remember any other really good skater except these two of 2001/2003 year borned. And such a conveyor like Scherbkova, Tarakanova, Trusova in 2004. So I guess it's better to analyse three years to get the whole picture. 2005-2006-2007.
It'd be Kanysheva - Valieva - Akatieva, but we need at least 3-4 every year, like with "Fantastic 4".

2001 - you're right, there is nobody I can recall... :scratch2:
2003 - Tarusina, Vasilieva - still very strong skaters, Mukhortova - interesting performer; two of the three held back by injuries last season
 
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