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Thread: The state of Russian pair skating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    The problem is T and M are just a good team but not great. They have no it factor. They need V and T, S and K or even K and S to come back with a vengeance. It seems pretty clear S and K have injury/training and thus confidence issues and I am not sure there is time to get it together. This looks good for Germany and China. With Canada and Russia having trouble and really the US just flopping all over the place it is those two countries for gold and France likely to get the bronze. Although you never know there are other Chinese teams and a Russian or Canadian if they pull it together certainly could challenge the French.
    The French for bronze? T/M beat J/C at both Worlds and Europeans and if clean T/M will easily beat them again.

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    Judges arent bothered by T/M programs.
    Which means clean T/M can totally compete for gold. Yeah, if everybody is equally clean, they will lose for chinese and german, but since when the chinese and the german are clean 100% of time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    The French for bronze? T/M beat J/C at both Worlds and Europeans and if clean T/M will easily beat them again.
    When was it the last time James/Cipres were clean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    The problem is T and M are just a good team but not great. They have no it factor. They need V and T, S and K or even K and S to come back with a vengeance. It seems pretty clear S and K have injury/training and thus confidence issues and I am not sure there is time to get it together. This looks good for Germany and China. With Canada and Russia having trouble and really the US just flopping all over the place it is those two countries for gold and France likely to get the bronze. Although you never know there are other Chinese teams and a Russian or Canadian if they pull it together certainly could challenge the French.
    The tiny flaw in your theory is that Tarasova/Morozov actually beat Sanchenko/Massot. They managed to beat them last January at Europeans, and they beat them again last week at a competition in Germany! (Germany is the last place I would expect S/M to be beaten!) They didn’t manage to beat them at worlds, but Tarasova skated with ten stitches in her leg, with injury she got on the day of their SP, so it was a miracle they competed at all, and another miracle that they actually medalled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    The French for bronze? T/M beat J/C at both Worlds and Europeans and if clean T/M will easily beat them again.
    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    When was it the last time James/Cipres were clean?
    I think Jammers meant that if T/M were clean, they'd beat J/C.

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    Ahanteva/Kolesov 1st after sp with 58.64 (finally clean and Must watchable, they were really cool this time)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZXkhGkLDF0
    Can't find Kvartalova/Sviatchenko sp video but they got 64.56 (1st)
    Lyirova/Selkin recieved 56.92 (2nd) at their 1st event togerther, not bad

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    1 Kvartalova/Sviatchenko 169.40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-uLLPu951M
    3 falls in FS on 3T, 3Loth and a wierd fall on the last spin, so they got 0 for it. They still have time for improvment till JNats and Senior Nats.

    2 Tatiana Lyirova/Maksim Selkin 163.12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546UBh6LbAc&t=152s
    They won FS, both throws are slightly 2footed, fall on 3S but strong base, they need more polishment

    3 Sofia Buzaeva/Elisey Ivanov 162.00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x0UtQOPQPU
    It was a dirty skate with asychronous jumps, not clean throws.. But I can see big potential, they have all elements including triples. So good luck!

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    1 Anastasia Mishina/Alexandr Gallyamov 171.92 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-nxJt8Hvbg
    Not as clean as they were last week at SPB Cup 3 but they won

    2 Alina Ustimkina/Nikita Volodin 160.20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv9wurDUK4s
    The biggest problem for them are jumps

    3 Ksenia Ahanteva/Valeriy Kolesov 158.88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNSVk6DaCGc
    All jumps are UR, fall on 3LoTh

    4 Elizaveta Zhuk/Egor Bitkov 151.10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7sz1nMiiKw
    I think they will split up because Liza has jumps while Egor has problems with them and he is too old for her. He feel on first st, and they attemped 3lzTh

    5 Ekaterina Belova/Maksim Bobrov 144.64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaqHhIoIgp4
    They were 4th in fs(their TES was 2nd behind only M/G). They could be top team in near future

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    I find it sad when senior team won’t qualify for Russian nationals because so many junior teams decided to do both junior and senior nationals. There is 12 places at the senior nationals. 4 are given to those 4 pairs who have GP events. Other 4 are for those who qualified to JGPF. Then there are pairs like Lyirova/Selkin who were not even good enough to get a JGP spot and will probably qualify for senior nationals, and Kvartalova/Sviatchenko who is getting second chance to qualify for senior nationals (they didn’t get to JGPF). And then Buzaeva/Ivanov, who are not junior eligible any more, will miss out on their chance of nationals. Don’t get me wrong, Buzaeva/Ivanov are not great, but it is her only second season as a pair skater, they are new together (only first season together ) and considering that, their scores are pretty decent. Maybe Russian seniors pairs wouldn’t look so empty if the senior pairs were suppored to actually develop, rather than fighting with junior pairs who are now quite overcrowded. And yet it would be so easy to resolve that - to make a rule that the skaters can attend either junior or senior Russian cups, but not both. The same rule is in singles and ice dance.

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    It's typical for all countries when junior figure skaters competing with senior. They need more experience in front of big audience at big events. The only solution I can see is to enlarge spots from 18 to 24 in each descipline exept ice dance( JGP finalists and another junior ice dancers don't participate there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana05 View Post
    It's typical for all countries when junior figure skaters competing with senior. They need more experience in front of big audience at big events. The only solution I can see is to enlarge spots from 18 to 24 in each descipline exept ice dance( JGP finalists and another junior ice dancers don't participate there).
    The problem is that senior pairs don’t have 18 spots, they have only 12 spots. So if you have 4 pairs at GP (qualify automatically) and 4-5 pairs get to JGPF (also qualify automatically), that doesn’t leave many spots for genuine senior pairs who didn’t get a GP event. I would let those who qualified to JGPF have a spot at senior nationals, but I wouldn’t let any additional junior pairs get to senior nationals, especially if those pairs were not even good enough to get a JGP event.

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