Ilinykh/Zhiganshin: Ruslan's retirement

Skater Boy · May 19, 2017

Mattieu said:
Because he hit the crap out of Victoria and the police were called and he was kicked out of Zouevas rink, that was why he was the bad guy!

Oh my gosh??? What??? Is this for real? This sounds horrible. At the same time there is something wrong about coach dating his pupil who he breaks up from another pupil and worse when the coach seems to continously goes through relationships with skaters like the Reed's switch countries.

Skater Boy · May 19, 2017

What could only add to the drama now is S and K break up their skating relationship and I and K get back together as a team and win OGM

andromache · May 19, 2017

Mattieu said:
Because he hit the crap out of Victoria and the police were called and he was kicked out of Zouevas rink, that was why he was the bad guy!

WHAT???? I knew They got kicked out of Marina's rink, but I didn't know about this!!!

bramweld · May 19, 2017

andromache said:
WHAT???? I knew They got kicked out of Marina's rink, but I didn't know about this!!!

Old news. But back to Lena, she needs someone who's built like Sorensen, has the confidence of a Poje and twizzles like a Pavel Drozd. And please someone who actually knows how to commit to a theme, because she needs someone who can match her intensity. Does Drozd have a twin brother, oh my oh my? IMHO, he can outskate all of the guys on the National team right now. I just hope that Alla is able to keep up. But I'll behave now out of respect for Alla's fans.

noidont · May 19, 2017

Drozd is too nice and clean for Elena. The only one with the build and look and temper to match Elena is Mozgov. Let's not pretend that her own skating hasn't regressed majorly over the past two seasons.
I also don't think Ruslan is necessarily the hardworking, low-key saint people think he is. He was a weak lifter with Sinitsina and didn't improve much on that front. After a few seasons together he still skates slower than Elena even when her shape is hardly what it used to be. I don't find him highly motivated in achieving success and it doesn't surprise me he is giving up.

moriel · May 20, 2017

I think the pair looked promising, but both were not up to the task.
Same with S/K.
Same with I/K btw.

Best they can do is retire really, and leave room for younger pairs.

Ice Dance · May 20, 2017

noidont said:
The only one with the build and look and temper to match Elena is Mozgov.

Since the last interaction many of us saw between Elena & Mozgov was her & Anna sticking out their tongues at him on social media after he dumped Anna, I am thinking this partnership may not be too likely. (Also, the rumor mill claimed he sided with Nikita during the I&K breakup).

karne · May 20, 2017

gravy said:
From what I remember, all parties were sort of at fault really. Elena began dating their coach, Nikolai Morozov, which I guess bothered Nikita and eventually they broke up (most likely on bad terms). Afterward, Morozov was actually the one who encouraged Nikita to have a tryout with Sinitsina behind Elena's back before 2014 Worlds. He was actually supposed to coach Nikita and Victoria but they probably had a fall out soon afterward because by the summer they had already moved on from him.

Um, you claim "all parties were at fault" but the only thing I can see that Elena has done in your recap is break up with Morozov (thank goodness for her). Are you saying that her adult decision to break off a relationship should be considered a "fault" in the breakup of the partnership? Because that is problematic in the extreme.

madison · May 20, 2017

karne said:
Um, you claim "all parties were at fault" but the only thing I can see that Elena has done in your recap is break up with Morozov (thank goodness for her). Are you saying that her adult decision to break off a relationship should be considered a "fault" in the breakup of the partnership? Because that is problematic in the extreme.

you can imagine how it was for Nikita to see his former girlfriend (Elena) dating their coach (Morozov) right under his eyes :drama:

Always bad to mix professional with personal relationships.:shocked:

gravy · May 20, 2017

karne said:
Um, you claim "all parties were at fault" but the only thing I can see that Elena has done in your recap is break up with Morozov (thank goodness for her). Are you saying that her adult decision to break off a relationship should be considered a "fault" in the breakup of the partnership? Because that is problematic in the extreme.

Hmmm, you're right; that does sound needlessly inflammatory towards her. And no I didn't mean that at all.

I actually deleted something afterward about Nikita and Elena both being hotheads on the ice, but I probably should have kept that part in. Their personal drama and demeanor is what they made them so exciting to watch, but I consider both parties at fault since they were always arguing with each other. A partnership cannot coexist if neither person is willing to compromise. And Morozov is included in that for being skeezy, preying on a student, and then turning on her after the relationship ended.

4everchan · May 20, 2017

what about soloviev for elena

Snow63 · May 20, 2017

Nothing has been confirmed yet, this article is not a confirmation. Read what Gorshkov said, there are still options.

Snow63 · May 20, 2017

karne said:
Um, you claim "all parties were at fault" but the only thing I can see that Elena has done in your recap is break up with Morozov (thank goodness for her). Are you saying that her adult decision to break off a relationship should be considered a "fault" in the breakup of the partnership? Because that is problematic in the extreme.

We are not many behind the curtains details. But many people act like they actually know what happened. This is sad. In fact, we don't really know what happened between them and why this happened, we only know the outcome.

Marta25 · May 20, 2017

4everchan said:
what about soloviev for elena

I think Bobrova might say something about that

Besides, IMO that would be super weird to see Soloviev with Elena.

Snow63 said:
Nothing has been confirmed yet, this article is not a confirmation. Read what Gorshkov said, there are still options.

Nothing would make me happier than seeing Elena and Ruslan skating together again in competitions, but people around the forums who had insight info in the past are all saying the same. Sure the versions why and how they split are different, but the general consensus seems to be that they are done.

luckyguy · May 20, 2017

I think Pavel Drozd would be ideal for Elena. He is a personality!

bramweld · May 20, 2017

Morozov, Nikita, and Elena, all of it is old news. Nikita's issues stem from a bigger issue his own personal insecurities. Zhulin would try to tell him if Lena does something better than you it's a credit to the team, but he could never get that. He would put his efforts into always beating her technically and artistically rather than working on his own unique weaknesses like the twizzles and lifts. He went to Morozov clearly intent on improving and ensuring that he wouldn't be overshadowed by Lena and for years she was ignored until the Olympic season. During that season IMHO, he looked like a man boy trying to skate with a mature woman. So that partnership though having its moments was not sustainable.

As for Ruslan, I respect his efforts, and I will always appreciate Frida and Carmen, but it was to be expected that her skating would regress with him, he is not up to her level. Sinitsina, would have to improve, Nikita, is much stronger than her, ID doesn't happen in a vacuum. Ilinykh's acting skills cannot be matched on ice and her technique is spot on. With all the clamourings of her being out of shape she was really motoring it at Russian Nationals this year, even at the end of the program when Ruslan was struggling to keep up she was still powering through. She needs a bigger, stronger and more mature partner. While I may be a bit fixated on Drozd right now, the fact is he's still a kid and it shows behind the eyes. Lena needs someone a bit more mysterious like her. I want a more mature, sophisticated style for her going forwards. I hope things work out well for both her and Ruslan.

Snow63 · May 20, 2017

bramweld said:
Morozov, Nikita, and Elena, all of it is old news. Nikita's issues stem from a bigger issue his own personal insecurities. Zhulin would try to tell him if Lena does something better than you it's a credit to the team, but he could never get that. He would put his efforts into always beating her technically and artistically rather than working on his own unique weaknesses like the twizzles and lifts. He went to Morozov clearly intent on improving and ensuring that he wouldn't be overshadowed by Lena and for years she was ignored until the Olympic season. During that season IMHO, he looked like a man boy trying to skate with a mature woman. So that partnership though having its moments was not sustainable.

Oh, so you know him personally, and he told you that? That's good for you. Otherwise, all of this is just your personal assumptions, which most probably have nothing to do with reality.

coldblueeyes · May 20, 2017

bramweld said:
As for Ruslan, I respect his efforts, and I will always appreciate Frida and Carmen, but it was to be expected that her skating would regress with him, he is not up to her level. Sinitsina, would have to improve, Nikita, is much stronger than her, ID doesn't happen in a vacuum. Ilinykh's acting skills cannot be matched on ice and her technique is spot on. With all the clamourings of her being out of shape she was really motoring it at Russian Nationals this year, even at the end of the program when Ruslan was struggling to keep up she was still powering through. She needs a bigger, stronger and more mature partner. While I may be a bit fixated on Drozd right now, the fact is he's still a kid and it shows behind the eyes. Lena needs someone a bit more mysterious like her. I want a more mature, sophisticated style for her going forwards. I hope things work out well for both her and Ruslan.

No, you don't? Hardly anyone ever respected his efforts, and most of the time he was shafted to the side, and his mistakes were because 'he wasn't good enough', 'he couldn't catch up to her', or any other reason. But when Elena made mistakes it was just misfortune, or that she was out of luck. Also, way to go putting the blame on HIM regarding her skating skills regressing, that's really respectful, to say the least, but I never expected anything less.

I said this even before the partnership ended, and we're still on a limbo about that, but people were going to put the blame on him. It happened time and time again. I don't touch on Nikita or Morozov, but the blame was on them before. And now it's on Ruslan. Elena is never the one to be blamed. Just, never.:disapp:

VIETgrlTerifa · May 20, 2017

There certainly are people with active imaginations here.

Marta25 · May 20, 2017

coldblueeyes said:
No, you don't? Hardly anyone ever respected his efforts, and most of the time he was shafted to the side, and his mistakes were because 'he wasn't good enough', 'he couldn't catch up to her', or any other reason. But when Elena made mistakes it was just misfortune, or that she was out of luck. Also, way to go putting the blame on HIM regarding her skating skills regressing, that's really respectful, to say the least, but I never expected anything less.

I said this even before the partnership ended, and we're still on a limbo about that, but people were going to put the blame on him. It happened time and time again. I don't touch on Nikita or Morozov, but the blame was on them before. And now it's on Ruslan. Elena is never the one to be blamed. Just, never.:disapp:

There are message boards where posters expressed a lot of disdain towards Elena. Giving her mainly the responsibility that Ruslan is so injured that he has to retire. I think it depends a little bit which message board someone reads. I have to agree though that I don`t understand the sudden blame Ruslan gets for being the cause of Elena not skating as well as she could. The first two seasons their skating skills where the one thing people admired the most, their main problems started when they made the switch to Shpilband. If I see how he presents Chock/Bates in their programs, I have to admit that it was maybe a mistake to go to him. His programs tend to focus more on the lady while the guys are more in the background. I thought that Kustarova made a better job in giving them programs that gave them both the possibility to shine, although her packaging for them was also rather problematic.

I still believe that if they had received better packaging they could have done more than they did, but I guess it just wasn`t meant to be.

Ilinykh/Zhiganshin: Ruslan's retirement

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