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Kostner to attend Mishin's camp

samm22 said:
Unfortunately, not everyone agrees that Evgenia has very good jump technique. She pre-rotates her toe loop (especially on her sal-toe combo) about the same as Ashley. Also she relies on her arms a great deal to muscle herself into the air, rather than using the edge and the legs to get her up. Not to mention she has a flutz. This however only goes to show how clean Carolina's technique is (when she lands of course) with her fluidity and edge control.
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:clapper: I could not have summed it up better.
 
samm22 said:
Unfortunately, not everyone agrees that Evgenia has very good jump technique. She pre-rotates her toe loop (especially on her sal-toe combo) about the same as Ashley. Also she relies on her arms a great deal to muscle herself into the air, rather than using the edge and the legs to get her up. Not to mention she has a flutz. This however only goes to show how clean Carolina's technique is (when she lands of course) with her fluidity and edge control.
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"Prerotation" is the term used often by some here to describe Miyahara's tiny jumps, but for Evgenia's, this is the first time I heard about such description. Whatever you say, I only trust Tara's expertise in FS. At the very beginning I do hate to see her jump always with raised arms, but after watching her great Worlds performances, I changed my mind. Her arms are no longer that annoying to me, :laugh: and moreover, Tara highly commended her for using arms very smartly when commentating for NBC. :laugh:

About Carolina, she has big difficulty with jumps right now, so she is asking for Mishin's help, but it is not vice versa. This is what Mishin said about their cooperation now, only on a short-term basis. Great or not, legendary or not, better ask those American or Canadian coaches who invited him to give master classes to their students last year or this year.
 
khughes said:
I still don't understand at all why she wants to do this. It's OK to be single-minded when you are very young, but at 30 don't you want a rounded life that includes your boyfriend, friends, other areas of professional interest, some lovely fat-laced meals and possibly even a kid? Why would she want to risk her stellar reputation? Why would she want to put herself through the grim reality of intensive training and endless travel again? I imagine Mao is propelled in part by Japanese skating mania, but the Italians don't put a high priority on suffering for your sport, and could care less about figure skating in any case.
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Carolina is the only one of all recent comebacks I could understand. I feel that if it was not for that unfortunate scandal she was involved in she would not want to compete again. As it is people always tend to remember the last thing happened to you. So her motivation is clear to me.
I personally will be delighted to see Carolina on the ice even with no jumps at all her skating is gorgeous. However I understand she wants to be competitive. Mishin helped her once hopefully working with him will help again. Best of luck to Carolina!
 
Sweet Dream said:
It is really funny to always hear Mao or some other senior female skater being harshly treated by the judges now. Why so? If she wants fair judgment in competitions, better adapt her technique to the current scoring system and get her long-time jump issues fixed, instead of complaining all the time and putting some new stars down in one way or another at the same time.
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Mao has not complained about anything as far as I know, let alone put younger skaters down. She is far too nice and polite for that. Only some fans have complained. So there is no reason to accuse Mao.

Also, PCS have nothing to do with jumping technique - at least as far as there are no really major mistakes that disrupt the flow of the program and spoil the impression. PCS are not supposed to be lowered for underrotated jumps - there is nothing in the rules about that. But Mao was also getting lower PCS than she deserved compared to some other skaters at least in some areas this past season.
 
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lauravvv said:
Mao has not complained about anything as far as I know, let alone put younger skaters down. She is far too nice and polite for that. Only some fans have complained. So there is no reason to accuse Mao.
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I didn't accuse Mao of anything but feel fed up with the monotonous complaints from her fans. Better get my words right first before replying.
 
Sweet Dream said:
I didn't accuse Mao of anything but feel fed up with the monotonous complaints from her fans. Better get my words right first before replying.
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I think you should reread your own words first. You wrote:
If she wants fair judgment in competitions, better adapt her technique to the current scoring system and get her long-time jump issues fixed, instead of complaining all the time and putting some new stars down in one way or another at the same time.
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Perhaps you were talking about Mao's fans, but it was not clear at all. It seemed like you were talking about her. Better think how you write if you don't want to be misunderstood.
 
lauravvv said:
I think you should reread your own words first. You wrote: Perhaps you were talking about Mao's fans, but it was not clear at all. It seemed like you were talking about her. Better think how you write if you don't want to be misunderstood.
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“It is really funny to always hear Mao or some other senior female skater being harshly treated by the judges now.” This is what I wrote first. Should I write like this: "Instead of (her fans) complaining all the time and putting some new stars down in one way or another at the same time?" Is it OK now? I know what to writie and how to write here. Better stop nit-picking now!
 
Sweet Dream said:
“It is really funny to always hear Mao or some other senior female skater being harshly treated by the judges now.” This is what I wrote first. Should I write like this: "Instead of (her fans) complaining all the time and putting some new stars down in one way or another at the same time?" Is it OK now? I know what to writie and how to write here. Better stop nit-picking now!
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To "always hear" from whom - from fans or from Mao and the other senior female skaters themselves? It was not very clear at all. Also, in the first part of the sentence I quoted ("better adapt her technique to the current scoring system and get her long-time jump issues fixed") you clearly talked about Mao herself, because fans can't adapt her technique to the current system and get her jump issues fixed - only she can try to do it for herself. So, when you continue the same sentence with "instead of (complaining and putting new stars down)", it seems like you are still talking about Mao herself.
 
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lauravvv said:
To "always hear" from whom - from fans or from Mao and the other senior female skaters themselves? It was not very clear at all. Also, in the first part of the sentence I quoted ("better adapt her technique to the current scoring system and get her long-time jump issues fixed") you clearly talked about Mao herself, because fans can't adapt her technique to the current system and get her jump issues fixed - only she can try to do it for herself. So, when you continue the same sentence with "instead of (complaining and putting new stars down)", it seems like you are still talking about Mao herself.
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Do you know why I tried to avoid using the words "Mao's fans" here? I am so afraid to be jumped on by them! If my reply tone sounds impolite to you, I sincerely apologize. OK, let's forget it from now on.
 
Sweet Dream said:
Do you know why I tried to avoid using the words "Mao's fans" here? I am so afraid to be jumped on by them! If my reply tone sounds impolite to you, I sincerely apologize. OK, let's forget it from now on.
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No, there was nothing impolite about your replies. You just apparently did not understand how your original post was not very clear to everyone and could be misinterpreted. As for not using the words "Mao's fans", I understand you, but you could have just written "some people" or something like that instead. But okay, let's just end it here.

Also, while I love Mao, I would not call myself a fan in the sense that is usually associated with that word. I love watching her skate, but I don't follow everything she does (from what can be read, seen and heard on social media) dilligently, and when she does not win or just does not skate very well it's not the end of the world or a big drama/tears for me.
 
Sweet Dream said:
“It is really funny to always hear Mao or some other senior female skater being harshly treated by the judges now.” This is what I wrote first. Should I write like this: "Instead of (her fans) complaining all the time and putting some new stars down in one way or another at the same time?" Is it OK now? I know what to writie and how to write here. Better stop nit-picking now!
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It is not nit-picking but grammatically correct interpretation of what you wrote. In this sentence,

If she wants fair judgment in competitions, better adapt her technique to the current scoring system and get her long-time jump issues fixed, instead of complaining all the time and putting some new stars down in one way or another at the same time.
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the subject is "she". It's "she" who is "complaining all the time and putting some new stars down in one way or another at the same time". This is how everybody would read and interpret the sentence. If you don't mean "she" does all those thing, you need to make the subject, the person(s) who does those things, clear.
 
I hope she is invited to Skate America! I would love to see her skate live once again. Her speed and flow are simply exhilarating in person, much more so than is apparent on TV or (Ha!) the YouTube screen
 
Violet Bliss said:
It is not nit-picking but grammatically correct interpretation of what you wrote. In this sentence,



the subject is "she". It's "she" who is "complaining all the time and putting some new stars down in one way or another at the same time". This is how everybody would read and interpret the sentence. If you don't mean "she" does all those thing, you need to make the subject, the person(s) who does those things, clear.
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I don't think you are qualified to be my English teacher. I know my wording is not grammatically clear, but you can never truly feel my concerns when posting. I am a very honest person, but it is really hard to speak my mind here in most cases. Will you guys just stop lecturing me for writing such ambiguous comment only once? No more replies on this!
 
I´m very happy that Kostner will be back in competitions this fall and will be looking forward to her new programs eagerly. Hopefully she will get help from Mishin in her jumping.
 
Skater Boy said:
I sort of don't agree because look at the marks for Wagner and Gold - it would appear the Americans are being held up constantly by pcs though Ashley did skate well finally at worlds. Look at Gold even with errors she gets amazing pcs.
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I think a lot of us thought that with Mao's return last year, everybody's PCS would be put in check (especially after Tuktamysheva/Radionova PCS in 2015), but that definitely did not happen, and I don't think Carolina's return with have an effect either.
I wouldn't say Gracie's pcs were "amazing," but the judges did cut her some slack after her FS. PCS are so subjective, but I think an audience can spot which skaters are the "real" skaters. Evgenia and Ashley were extremely polished at Worlds (and Ashley's scores are not that far off from her performances at Skate Canada and GPF), so their PCS seem somewhat justified, but yes, the PCS for Satoko, Gracie, and Anna were all....:scratch3:
I've always wondered why PCS is not affected by falls...if the skater falls, then they did not present the program to the best of their ability.
 
Skater Boy said:
I sort of don't agree because look at the marks for Wagner and Gold - it would appear the Americans are being held up constantly by pcs though Ashley did skate well finally at worlds. Look at Gold even with errors she gets amazing pcs.
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You can bet that Gracie's PCS have to do with what I call the FOF ( Fear Of Frank ) effect. Frank and Lori have a LONG history of success and every judge knows this. I can imagine that if a judge found themselves at odds with Frank, they may find themselves not being assigned to any panel where Frank has a skater.
 
mrrice said:
You can bet that Gracie's PCS have to do with what I call the FOF ( Fear Of Frank ) effect. Frank and Lori have a LONG history of success and every judge knows this. I can imagine that if a judge found themselves at odds with Frank, they may find themselves not being assigned to any panel where Frank has a skater.
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Yep. Pretty much. TAT status. ;)
 
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