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    Never attended a figure skating event, planing to go to the European Championships next week, so here come some probably stupid questions:

    1) How early do you have to arrive at the skating rink before the competition actually starts? Whenever I'm attending a football game, I usually arrive at the stadium 30-40 mins earlier. No idea what's "normal" in figure skating.

    2) If a certain competition day is longer (for example the 4th day of the Europeans scheduled from 13:40 to about 22:00) is it ok to leave and return to the arena several times? Or do you lose the right to re-enter the arena once you're in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeman21 View Post
    Never attended a figure skating event, planing to go to the European Championships next week, so here come some probably stupid questions:

    1) How early do you have to arrive at the skating rink before the competition actually starts? Whenever I'm attending a football game, I usually arrive at the stadium 30-40 mins earlier. No idea what's "normal" in figure skating.

    2) If a certain competition day is longer (for example the 4th day of the Europeans scheduled from 13:40 to about 22:00) is it ok to leave and return to the arena several times? Or do you lose the right to re-enter the arena once you're in?
    I've never been to a European Championships but I have been to several US Nationals and Worlds events. Here goes:

    1) I also like to arrive 30 - 45 minutes before the competition begins. I like to walk around, look at the souvenir booths, and get a snack before I go to my seat. I like to be in my seat before the warm-up begins (which is also polite to those already seated).

    2)With the 4th day being about 9 hours, I'm assuming that is for 2 separate events(?).
    If so, I'd think that you'll need a ticket for each event. You'll have to vacate the arena once the first event is complete as someone else may have your seat for the next event.
    If you have an all-events pass then it won't matter if you go in and out as you'd just show your pass and go back to your assigned seat.

    Have fun!!!

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    Thanks a lot for the answers

    Quote Originally Posted by sandraskates View Post

    2)With the 4th day being about 9 hours, I'm assuming that is for 2 separate events(?).
    If so, I'd think that you'll need a ticket for each event. You'll have to vacate the arena once the first event is complete as someone else may have your seat for the next event.
    You may be right, but I'm still not sure. When I got the ticket, that was the only one available for that day. Here's a screenshot of it. Maybe someone who actually understands Russian can clarify this.

    A rough google translation reads "AN ARBITRARY PROGRAM" on it and there are 2 free programs that day (Ladies and Dance), so maybe it actually is for a single event (either Ladies or Dance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeman21 View Post
    Never attended a figure skating event, planing to go to the European Championships next week, so here come some probably stupid questions:

    1) How early do you have to arrive at the skating rink before the competition actually starts? Whenever I'm attending a football game, I usually arrive at the stadium 30-40 mins earlier. No idea what's "normal" in figure skating.

    2) If a certain competition day is longer (for example the 4th day of the Europeans scheduled from 13:40 to about 22:00) is it ok to leave and return to the arena several times? Or do you lose the right to re-enter the arena once you're in?
    My 2cents: You can basically do as you please, there really is no rule and nobody expects you to stay there the whole event or to attend from the start or to arrive early. The only thing is ALWAYS be respectful of the people watching and beware that they might not let you in only between programs or between warm-up groups. Even if they let you in between two programs, I usually wait for the group to change just to annoy people less. You can usually watch standing on the stairs anyway while you wait. Due to the many breaks a figure skating competition leaves you way more freedom than a football match

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    Thank you for those 2 links, I'll definitely save them for the future!!

    Correct me if I'm wrong: no matter how many awesome "+ features" you have for an element, it can never go beyond +3 before you start deducting for "- features", right?
    I mean: If you do an awesome element with so many great features that it could, in theory, get you a +4, but then you also have a mistake on it with a mandatory "-2" GOE, then according to the rules, you're not allowed to get a +2 or +3, right?
    So, just as an example: Stolbova/Klimov, in tonight's Euros FS, did a 3T3T for her, and 3T2T for him. According to the "GOE Guidelines",
    "PAIR SKATING: REDUCTIONS FOR ERRORS: Unequal number of revolutions by partners: -2"
    So, how come 3 judges gave them a GOE of +2 for this element? (Judges Scores pdf)
    I was really pumped to see Ksenia do an amazing 3T3T, and I'd have loved to give her a big bonus for that, but... there still are rules, aren't there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    Thank you for those 2 links, I'll definitely save them for the future!!

    Correct me if I'm wrong: no matter how many awesome "+ features" you have for an element, it can never go beyond +3 before you start deducting for "- features", right?
    Yes, that's correct.
    Except that the word "features" has a specific meaning referring to the extra difficulty that the technical panel awards to call levels on non-jump elements. So to avoid confusion it would be more accurate to refer to "[positive GOE] bullet points" when referring to the qualitiy assessments and other enhancements that the judges use to award positive GOE.

    I mean: If you do an awesome element with so many great features that it could, in theory, get you a +4, but then you also have a mistake on it with a mandatory "-2" GOE, then according to the rules, you're not allowed to get a +2 or +3, right?
    Right.

    So, just as an example: Stolbova/Klimov, in tonight's Euros FS, did a 3T3T for her, and 3T2T for him. According to the "GOE Guidelines",
    "PAIR SKATING: REDUCTIONS FOR ERRORS: Unequal number of revolutions by partners: -2"
    So, how come 3 judges gave them a GOE of +2 for this element? (Judges Scores pdf)
    I was really pumped to see Ksenia do an amazing 3T3T, and I'd have loved to give her a big bonus for that, but... there still are rules, aren't there?
    That would be a mistake by those judges. However, it's easy to understand how it would happen.

    During the program, from the angle they were watching, a judge didn't see the difference in number of revolutions in real time -- they just saw a good element with 4-5 positive bullet points. So they award the +2 and don't make any note to rewatch video after the performance.

    (If one partner is directly between the judge and the other partner, that could block their view of some details of what the further partner does. Or if the two skaters are far apart, especially if one is to the left of the judge's line of sight and the other to the right, it can be difficult to keep both partners in view at the same time. That's why the technical panel has one person watch the man and one person watch the lady. But each judge only has one set of eyes to use in real time. Being far apart would be a negative in terms of GOE, so it wouldn't apply in this case, but it could explain why a judge doesn't see both partners clearly in real time.)

    After the program the technical panel will review all elements for which there is the slightest question, sometimes more than once if the first rewatch doesn't answer their question satisfactorily.

    Meanwhile the judges confirm their scores for the elements and enter their program component scores. I understand that they can rewatch elements they had questions about, but I'm not sure of the mechanics of how they do so and they're not required to.

    They should check the technical panel calls on their screen and adjust their GOEs if the calls reflect a need to do so, e.g., if there's a < or or << or e call on a jump.

    There's no symbol on the screen for "unequal number of revolutions" -- the tech panel just calls the lower number of revolutions.

    In this case the call from the tech panel was 3T+2T in real time, so there was no need for the tech panel to review the element.

    The judge might have
    *believed in real time that both skaters did 3T+2T
    *believed in real time that both skaters did 3T+3T and not noticed that the tech panel called something different
    *thought in real time that both did 3T+3T, then noticed the 3T+2T on the screen and thought "Oh, that was only a double? It looked triple to me. Anyway, the unison and xx, xx, and xx all looked great to me. Great triple-double."

    The only way to make sure that judges are aware that the two skaters did different numbers of revolutions would be for the tech panel to add a code symbol of some sort (e.g., ≠) to the call. The base value would be the same whether both skaters do double or one does triple and the other double, so the code wouldn't affect the base value. It would just be an alert to the judges that they're supposed to subtract -2 from whatever GOE they would give otherwise.

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    gkelly, thanks for your very precise and well worded explanation!

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