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Team Russia - Promising Young Skaters

NaVi

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Here's previous years scoreboards and protocols for the Zhuk Memorial younger nationals I found through using archive.org on fsrussia.ru and fskate.ru(someone really needs to remake that).

good for comparing total scores between years: https://web.archive.org/web/20190514142040/http://www.fskate.ru/info/competitions/17/

2019: https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1819/mlvozr1819/index.htm https://www.fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1819/specprogramma1819_protocol.pdf
2018: https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1718/mlvozr/index.htm http://www.fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1718/specprogramma1718_protocol.pdf
2017: https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1617/specprogramma1617/index.htm http://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1617/specprogramma1617_protocol_revised.pdf
2016: https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1516/specprogramma1516/index.htm https://www.fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1516/specprogramma1516_protocol_revised.pdf
2015: https://fsrussia.ru/results/1415/specprogramma1415/index.htm https://www.fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1415/specprogramma1415_protocol.pdf
2014: A black hole year. Neither the scoreboard or protocol were archived properly because they redesigned their website and didn't link to the results. Look at fskate.ru for total score: https://web.archive.org/web/2014032....ru/lib/107_pervenstvo-rossii-2014-ml-vozrast https://web.archive.org/web/20190514142040/http://www.fskate.ru/results/tour/1258.html
2013: https://web.archive.org/web/20131022100201/http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1213/zhuk2013/index.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20140103010700/http://fsrussia.ru/upl/ckeditor/8079206.pdf
2012: https://web.archive.org/web/20120930093549/http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1112/zhuk12/index.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20120930093607/http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1112/zhuk12/finaldoc.pdf
2011: https://web.archive.org/web/20110503061246/http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/zhuk11/index.htm
2010: https://web.archive.org/web/20140103011424/http://online.fsrussia.ru/Memorial Zhuka 2010/

For a quick metric, the number of skaters to score over 40 in elements in the younger group from years 2015-2020: 3,3,6,7,10,13

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The number of skaters to score over 50 in elements in the older group from years 2015-2020: 2,4,7,6,9,12
 

NaVi

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The livestreams for the elements portion were taken down because of music copyright, but thankfully the federation is uploading the rest of the competition to their youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFSRussia/videos


Number of either 3Lz or 3F in the SP for the younger group(about 10 years old) with positive GOE(less lenient than when I did this for the Moscow qualifier)
* 2015: 1 from 1 skater
* 2016: 3 from 2 skaters
* 2017: 1 from 1 skater (that skater came in 9th in both the SP and overall)
* 2018: 8 from 6 skaters
* 2019: 10 from 8 skaters
* 2020: 16 from 12 skaters
 

Edwin

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The livestreams for the elements portion were taken down because of music copyright, but thankfully the federation is uploading the rest of the competition to their youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFSRussia/videos


Number of either 3Lz or 3F for the younger group(about 10 years old) with positive GOE(less lenient than when I did this for the Moscow qualifier)
* 2015: 1 from 1 skater
* 2016: 3 from 2 skaters
* 2017: 1 from 1 skater (that skater came in 9th in both the SP and overall)
* 2018: 8 from 6 skaters
* 2019: 10 from 8 skaters
* 2020: 16 from 12 skaters

Their tech is excellent, all around, all over Russia.
 

siela

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I came across this live stream browsing the youtube today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhS3KDAe0uc
This event is scheduled to take place on July 22, 5:35 PM Moscow time. It is going to be exhibition skating event of the Moscow FS school 'Army of Skaters', where its pupils will show their new programs. This is a new school and the majority of skaters in it are very young, but this still might be interesting for those who follow Russian up-and-coming skaters from very young age - especially in these times when FS is so scarce. Grishin (Russian 1st channel commentator) is going to provide the commentary.
 

NaVi

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Taisia Korobitryna (2010) SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrksbwUjesQ :clap:

3Lz+2T, 3F, 2A - very impressive jumps for someone so young.

I was just getting ready to post her. Here she is doing the same short program 7 months ago for comparison. Hope she gets invited to the Ice Age Kids show.

...

One thing to keep an eye on is Olympic eligibility. If they don't change the age rules(and I think they shouldn't now... instead I think they should create new competitive categories for men without quads/ladies without 3A or quads.) skaters need to be born before July 1st 2010 to be eligible for the 2026 Olympics. Taisia Korobitsina was born February 3, 2010 so she is eligible.

Her coach has written on instagram that she's with Eteri now: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGozQojp87C/

She was 5th at the younger russian nationals and the only skater in the top 10 not from Moscow or St Petersburg. Here's her programs from that event:
SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqev14_1iSE
FS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpATuFTLBuc

 

Edwin

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The Ice Age, Kids participants all stood out, in the girls, in the boys and in the young dance pairs.
 

NaVi

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Number of either 3Lz or 3F in the top 10 of the SP for the younger group(about 10 years old) without major errors(I will count jumps with very slight negative GOE... )
* 2014: 1 from 1 skaters (Viktoria Vasilieva with a 3F)
* 2015: 1 from 1 skaters (Anna Shcherbakova with a 3F. A few more 3Lo jumps were being done)
* 2016: 0 from 0 skaters (top 2 did 3Lo)
* 2017: 3 from 3 skaters (but Valieva won the SP with a 3T and 3S. 2 of those either left the sport or moved to another country and the other is Akatieva)
* 2018: 3 from 3 skaters (but more were being attempted with bad GOE)
* 2019: 7 from 5 skaters (you start to see skaters doing both 3Lz and 3F)
* 2020: 9 from 7 skaters (the skater who came in 12th did both a 3Lz and 3F with about 0 GOE which would make it 11 from 8 skaters)

Number of intentional double jumps, 3S or 3T attempted in the top 10 of the SP for the younger group. Solo 2A and the 2nd jump in combinations don't count. This better measures attempts at the harder jumps and accounts for the 3Lo too.
* 2014: 17 (3 intentional double jumps)
* 2015: 14 (2 intentional double jumps)
* 2016: 18 (5 intentional double jumps. Valieva did 2 of them. I remember watching this and not feeling optimistic about her future)
* 2017: 12
* 2018: 10 (1 intentional double jump)
* 2019: 5
* 2020: 4

So 9 out of 20 jump passes feature a 3F or 3Lz(with neutralish or above GOE) which is about double the 4 jump passes featuring a 3S or 3T. Two years ago the number of jump passes featuring a 3F or 3Lz was a third of the jump passes featuring a 3S or 3T.

For this season: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/online/PM2021ml/ http://ffkm.ru/images/files/online/PM2021ml/_K_Scores.pdf

* There were 14 triple flips or triple lutzs with at least neutral GOE from the top 10 skaters. A couple of those had ! though but I left out a couple more with very slight negative GOE that I could have put in.
* There were no intentional double jumps, 3S, or 3T from the top 10 skaters. Everyone did at least a 3Lo as their least difficult jump. In fact, the first skater to do a 3T or 3S was the 17th ranked skater who did both. The 28th ranked skater was the first one to do an intentional double jump.
 

PavelSky

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Valeria Lukashova - "A medal for Mom", Oct. 18-19

Date of Birth: 17.06.2011
Sambo-70 (Khrustalniy), team Bulycheva
She has 2 sports rank, but performs KMS-level content.

Short Program


Free Program
 
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NaVi

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I'm was bored, so I decided to look the triple jump progress in the short program of the younger group at the Volkov memorial. The Volkov memorial is about the earliest major-ish event for the youngest group of skaters who can go to the Zhuk memorial nationals.

Here's this year's scoreboard: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/online/2021-11-11_Volkov/
Here's a listing of past years where you can find some protocols: https://allskaters.info/виды-соревнований/мемориал-с-волкова/
But it has the wrong protocol for 2017. Right one is here: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/017-18/2017-11-08_Volkova/Protokol_Volkova_2017.pdf
Here's the 2014 protocol. Had to use archive.org on fskate.ru to get to it: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/014-15/2014-11-11_Volkova/Protokol_Volkova_2014.pdf


2021: 24 +GOE triples, 13 +GOE 3Lz/3F
2020: Canceled
2019: 17, 7
2018: 8, 3
2017: 11, 3
2016: 7, 0
2015: 4, 0
2014: 6, 0
2013: 2,0
2012: 1,0
2011: 2,0
 
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NaVi

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The gap between the two Sambo 70 skaters and everyone else at this event was noticeable even in the way they carry themselves. Bazylyuk did two 3Lz+3T and Lukashova attempted with flaws 3Lz+3Lo and 3Lz+3T.

Margarita Bazylyuk FS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJd8H98FwZA
Valeria Lukashova FS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_crHYCOtak

Sofia Sarnovskaya earned bronze here. She's an Angels of Plushenko skater who is a full year younger than the two Sambo 70 skaters. She did not attempt a 3-3 combination.

Sofia Sarnovskaya FS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ajSElX2PE

Viktoria Shirokova is a CSKA skater who earned 4th. She attempted a 3Lz+3T but the 3T was called under.

Viktoria Shirokova FS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQj0NoUiFv4
 

NaVi

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Number of either 3Lz or 3F in the top 10 of the SP for the younger group(about 10 years old) without major errors(I will count jumps with very slight negative GOE... )
* 2014: 1 from 1 skaters (Viktoria Vasilieva with a 3F)
* 2015: 1 from 1 skaters (Anna Shcherbakova with a 3F. A few more 3Lo jumps were being done)
* 2016: 0 from 0 skaters (top 2 did 3Lo)
* 2017: 3 from 3 skaters (but Valieva won the SP with a 3T and 3S. 2 of those either left the sport or moved to another country and the other is Akatieva)
* 2018: 3 from 3 skaters (but more were being attempted with bad GOE)
* 2019: 7 from 5 skaters (you start to see skaters doing both 3Lz and 3F)
* 2020: 9 from 7 skaters (the skater who came in 12th did both a 3Lz and 3F with about 0 GOE which would make it 11 from 8 skaters)

Number of intentional double jumps, 3S or 3T attempted in the top 10 of the SP for the younger group. Solo 2A and the 2nd jump in combinations don't count. This better measures attempts at the harder jumps and accounts for the 3Lo too.
* 2014: 17 (3 intentional double jumps)
* 2015: 14 (2 intentional double jumps)
* 2016: 18 (5 intentional double jumps. Valieva did 2 of them. I remember watching this and not feeling optimistic about her future)
* 2017: 12
* 2018: 10 (1 intentional double jump)
* 2019: 5
* 2020: 4

So 9 out of 20 jump passes feature a 3F or 3Lz(with neutralish or above GOE) which is about double the 4 jump passes featuring a 3S or 3T. Two years ago the number of jump passes featuring a 3F or 3Lz was a third of the jump passes featuring a 3S or 3T.

For this season(2021): http://ffkm.ru/images/files/online/PM2021ml/ http://ffkm.ru/images/files/online/PM2021ml/_K_Scores.pdf

* There were 14 triple flips or triple lutzs with at least neutral GOE from the top 10 skaters. A couple of those had ! though but I left out a couple more with very slight negative GOE that I could have put in.
* There were no intentional double jumps, 3S, or 3T from the top 10 skaters. Everyone did at least a 3Lo as their least difficult jump. In fact, the first skater to do a 3T or 3S was the 17th ranked skater who did both. The 28th ranked skater was the first one to do an intentional double jump.
For 2022: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/online/2022-01-25_PM/_K_Scores.pdf

* There were 15 3F or 3Lz with at least neutral GOE from the top 10 skaters.
* The 10th ranked skater did 3T and 3S. The 13th ranked skater did an intentional 2Lz.
* There actually were 3 3Lz with positive GOE from skaters who were not in the top 10.
 

NaVi

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I'm was bored, so I decided to look the triple jump progress in the short program of the younger group at the Volkov memorial. The Volkov memorial is about the earliest major-ish event for the youngest group of skaters who can go to the Zhuk memorial nationals.

Here's this year's scoreboard: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/online/2021-11-11_Volkov/
Here's a listing of past years where you can find some protocols: https://allskaters.info/виды-соревнований/мемориал-с-волкова/
But it has the wrong protocol for 2017. Right one is here: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/017-18/2017-11-08_Volkova/Protokol_Volkova_2017.pdf
Here's the 2014 protocol. Had to use archive.org on fskate.ru to get to it: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/014-15/2014-11-11_Volkova/Protokol_Volkova_2014.pdf


2021: 24 +GOE triples, 13 +GOE 3Lz/3F
2020: Canceled
2019: 17, 7
2018: 8, 3
2017: 11, 3
2016: 7, 0
2015: 4, 0
2014: 6, 0
2013: 2,0
2012: 1,0
2011: 2,0
2022: 32 +GOE triples, 18 +GOE 3Lz/3F (+GOE includes neutral here and previous in my countings IIRC).
 

NaVi

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Number of either 3Lz or 3F in the top 10 of the SP for the younger group(about 10 years old) without major errors(I will count jumps with very slight negative GOE... )
* 2014: 1 from 1 skaters (Viktoria Vasilieva with a 3F)
* 2015: 1 from 1 skaters (Anna Shcherbakova with a 3F. A few more 3Lo jumps were being done)
* 2016: 0 from 0 skaters (top 2 did 3Lo)
* 2017: 3 from 3 skaters (but Valieva won the SP with a 3T and 3S. 2 of those either left the sport or moved to another country and the other is Akatieva)
* 2018: 3 from 3 skaters (but more were being attempted with bad GOE)
* 2019: 7 from 5 skaters (you start to see skaters doing both 3Lz and 3F)
* 2020: 9 from 7 skaters (the skater who came in 12th did both a 3Lz and 3F with about 0 GOE which would make it 11 from 8 skaters)

Number of intentional double jumps, 3S or 3T attempted in the top 10 of the SP for the younger group. Solo 2A and the 2nd jump in combinations don't count. This better measures attempts at the harder jumps and accounts for the 3Lo too.
* 2014: 17 (3 intentional double jumps)
* 2015: 14 (2 intentional double jumps)
* 2016: 18 (5 intentional double jumps. Valieva did 2 of them. I remember watching this and not feeling optimistic about her future)
* 2017: 12
* 2018: 10 (1 intentional double jump)
* 2019: 5
* 2020: 4

So 9 out of 20 jump passes feature a 3F or 3Lz(with neutralish or above GOE) which is about double the 4 jump passes featuring a 3S or 3T. Two years ago the number of jump passes featuring a 3F or 3Lz was a third of the jump passes featuring a 3S or 3T.
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For this season(2021): http://ffkm.ru/images/files/online/PM2021ml/ http://ffkm.ru/images/files/online/PM2021ml/_K_Scores.pdf

* There were 14 triple flips or triple lutzs with at least neutral GOE from the top 10 skaters. A couple of those had ! though but I left out a couple more with very slight negative GOE that I could have put in.
* There were no intentional double jumps, 3S, or 3T from the top 10 skaters. Everyone did at least a 3Lo as their least difficult jump. In fact, the first skater to do a 3T or 3S was the 17th ranked skater who did both. The 28th ranked skater was the first one to do an intentional double jump.
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For 2022: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/online/2022-01-25_PM/_K_Scores.pdf

* There were 15 3F or 3Lz with at least neutral GOE from the top 10 skaters.
* The 10th ranked skater did 3T and 3S. The 13th ranked skater did an intentional 2Lz.
* There actually were 3 3Lz with positive GOE from skaters who were not in the top 10.
For 2023: http://ffkm.ru/images/files/online/2023-01-17_pm/9-10_K_Scores.pdf

* There were 16 3F or 3Lz with at least neutral GOE from the top 10 skaters.
* There were 4 3Lz with positive GOE from skaters not in the top 10.
* The 9th ranked skater did a solo 3T after a negative GOE 3Lz combo (that accounts for 2 of the 4 non +GOE 3F or 3Lz jump passes in the top 10... the other 2 were +GOE 3Lo)
* First skater to do an intentional double jump was ranked 29th
* Top skaters here were born in 2012. Probably no memories of Sochi but also probably started skating before the 2018 Olympics.

The major progress from 2016(or really 2018) to 2021 has become incremental. Such quick progress during that time period had to come from a combination of new teaching methods/practices and competitive desire(post Sochi boom probably made some impact but I don't think it was the biggest factor). Further progress will mostly have to come by expanding the raw number of capable coaches and students rather than change in practices.

At this point the more interesting thing to track is the 3A and quad attempts by the older group in the elements portion. I'll do that in another post sometime... unsure this or next season.

While I'm glad to see this progress, I can't help but see that it's going to result in Moscow pulling away from the rest of the regions and Moscow coaches will look less and less at skaters from elsewhere. I think the centralization on Moscow is good for creating an environment that pushes technical boundries... but I don't think it's healthy to have all the top skaters to be kind of encultured and socialized in the same urban environment throughout most of their lives.

Ideally all the top coaches/clubs would setup kind of franchise branches in the various regions and those students could represent their regions for as long as possible. Realistically that's not going to happen, so maybe there ought to be an even younger aged nationals so people from the regions have a better shot to be noticed. Yes that'll make the centralization problem worse, but it's better than talent being overlooked. If something isn't changed you're just going to see that all the top women's skaters in Russia born and grow up in Moscow.

I hadn't posted stats from the nationals the past couple years... I'm pretty sure I calculated and saw they stagnated and didn't bother. Here they are.
Number of either 3Lz or 3F in the SP for the younger group(about 10 years old) with positive GOE(less lenient than when I did this for the Moscow qualifier)
* 2015: 1 from 1 skater
* 2016: 3 from 2 skaters
* 2017: 1 from 1 skater (that skater came in 9th in both the SP and overall)
* 2018: 8 from 6 skaters
* 2019: 10 from 8 skaters
* 2020: 16 from 12 skaters
2021: 16 from 10 skaters
2022: 16 from 12 skaters.

The stagnated number had to do as much with underperformance from the Moscow skaters as lack of progress elsewhere.
 
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NaVi

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Information about Quads and 3A attempted in the elements portion of Moscow Championships for the older group.

2019 - Skaters with successful attempts(attempts with 0 or positive GOE): 0, Skaters with any attempts: 0
Interesting enough, Sofia Samodelkina won this competition beating Valieva, Khromykh, Akatieva, Usacheva and she was back next year in the same category.
2020 - Skaters with successful attempts: 2, Skaters with any attempts: 4
Samodelkina recorded a solo 3A and then a 3A+3T as a combination. Then attempted and failed at a 4T(printed as a underroated 3T). Berestovskaya underrotated a 4T attempt but did land a 4T+3T combination. Zhilina had a scratched 4T attempt and a recorded 4T+3T attempt with very slight negative GOE. Akatyeva had two scratched 4T attempts and one was meant to be a combination.
2021 - Skaters with successful attempts: 0, Skaters with any attempts: 2
Dvoeglazova attempted a 4T that was called underrated and scratched. Maria Gordeeva landed a 4S that was called q and given about -1 GOE and then she attemped a 4S in combination that was scratched.
2022 - Skaters with successful attempts: 2, Skaters with any attempts: 2
Maria Gordeeva landed a 4S and then a 4T+3T. Rubtsova landed a 3A and then a 3A in combination. They were the only ones.
2023 - Skaters with successful attempts: 3, Skaters with any attempts: 7
Bazylyuk landed a 4T and then a 4S+3T. Kostyleva landed a 4S and then scratched an attempt at a 4S in combination. Prineva attempted 4Lz twice(once as a combination) but both were scratched. Lukashova had a negative GOE 4S counted but attempted a 4S in combination and it was scratched. Lebedeva fell and underrotated a 4S attempt. Kalugina landed a really nice 4T as her first jump and then failed on 3 later attempts. Ekaterina Titova attempted a 4T but it was underrotated and scratched.

I may be wrong about this, but this competition may be a bit less indicative than for the younger age since I think the oldest skaters who qualify for this competition have other competitions they can compete at to get on the national and regional teams.
 

NaVi

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2022: 32 +GOE triples, 18 +GOE 3Lz/3F (+GOE includes neutral here and previous in my countings IIRC).

I suddenly remembered this event and decided to count again...

2023: 12 +GOE triples, 9 +GOE 3Lz/3F.

sadly the event declined from 38 and 42 participants from the previous years to just 18. I wonder why that happened. It's no longer a really good indicator anymore.
 
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