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2014 Croatia Cup JGP Free Dance

sisinka

Final Flight
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And there are several ways for tech levels from 2 events to disagree

1. First event had a forgiving panel, and second a tough panel. No conspiracies needed. This often happens when there are significant rule changes- panels on the later event are more up to speed on applying new rules.
2. One or the other event had biased judging
3. Skaters skated well at first event, not as well at second event

A combination of the above.

Snow63 said:
I meant other teams, not russian. Hungarians, ukrainians and Parsons. They all made same mistakes but their levels were higher. And I mean not only their twizzles.

I fully agree that sometimes there are people in Technical Panel who are forgiving and willing to give as high levels as possible, while some other people from Technical panel are very strict at different competition.

But this is not this case.
Technical Controler: Hal Marron,
Technical specialist: Tomas Kika and
Assistent of Technical Specialist Roxane Petetin were NOT forgiving and they were NOT strict….instead they were very unfair and concentrated in absolutely different job than they were supposed to do – how to get Parsons into Final.

Probably both Technical Panel and judges hoped in skate with many mistakes by Morozova & Zhirnov and they really got one mistake from Mikhail in SD’s Twizzles, but nothing more…and it was not enough. So abracadabra had to took its place and influence the points.

Doris suggested to compare not events, but skaters at one competition, this is good idea.

Look at Technical Panel and compare:

Twizzles:

Yanovskaya & Mozgov…Anna is under suspicion of doing three turns in first set of Twizzles, this is reason for putting one Level down. She also executed less than two rotations piruette in FD, so this could be another reason for putting Level down. So Twizzles could be Level 3 in SD and Level 2 in FD. But Technical panel put down SD Twizzles on Level 2 also, why? She didn’t do a piruette there.

Moscheni & Lukacz…in FD Adam went through toe-pick in the first set which forced him into a piruette, so Twizzles were not clean – one Level down, Carolina is regularly jumping in knees especially in first set – making three turns instead of clean Twizzles, so another Level down. But the couple got Level 3 Twizzles in FD!
How? If Technical Panel put down Y&M Twizzles to Level 2 for piruette and three turns, they should put down on Level 2 also Hungarians levels because of scrapping and three turns. Instead they kept Level 3 for Hungarians.

Gaistruk & Olejnik…in FD Valeria didn’t keep leg position in the first set, which put the level down, because for Level 4 you need also leg position…Valeria makes piruette in the second set, so another Level down. The couple got Level 4 Twizzles!
How? The real value of those Twizzles were Level 2.

Morozova & Zhirnov…in SD Mikhail didn’t keep his free leg, which puts down one Level…where Technical panel found another loss of Level? It should be Level 3, but they got Level 2.

There is a possibility that in SD Daria Morozova went through toe-pick in the second set of the Twizzles, I am not sure about it, it was not very visible whether yes or no, but in comparison with Adam Lukacz, she continued in motion forward, so no piruette. But if the second Level loss in SD for Russians would be caused by this, then there is even more unbelievably that Moscheni & Lukacz got Level 3 Twizzles in FD.

Recap: In FD Hungarians got one Level more than they deserved, Ukrainians got two Levels more then they deserved.
In SD both Russian couples got one Level less then they deserved.

Spin:

Morozova & Zhirnov…executed 4 difficult Variations in 3 Basic Positions, enough rotations, they deserved Level 4. They get Level 2.

Gaistruk & Olejnik…the couple executes spin with different spinning direction where only 2 rotations are enough for Difficult pose to be counted (I originally wrote 3 rotations taking the spin like combo spin, but 2 rotations are enought in case of spin, not combo spin). 2 rotations are kept in Valeria’s Upper Basic Position. Counting Difficult pose means that the pose must be fully established –Valeria didn’t keep the opening difficult pose in Camel Basic Posititon when spin was travelling across the ice and she changed benting in spinning leg. So the Level should be 2 because of only one Difficult variation.

Recap: Russians got two Levels less and Ukrainians one Level more then they deserved in FD.

Silver Samba:

I made an analysis where is visible that all Parsons, Yanovskaya & Mozgov and Morozova & Zhirnov are executing the same deep edges, in some moments when edges are not as deep and it may open a debate – the same moments are common for all three couples.
So being correct - put the Levels down in all moot moments in case of all couples….or give them all credits.

But what happened? Parsons gets Level 4 and 3, while Yanovskaya and Morozova gets for the same execution Level 2+1 and Level 1+1.

Being frank Yanovskaya & Mozgov didn’t keep the rhythm in the beginning of the second Pattern which could lead to not keeping the proper number of beats in steps, but it could cause loosing Key Point 1 in second Pattern only – so Level 3.
Morozova & Zhirnov kept the rhythm without problems.

Recap: So Parsons got the Levels and Russian lost the levels for the same quality of execution. Strange.

Step sequences:

In SD in my analysis of Sep Sequence without hold with pictures of edges both Russian couples showed great work like Parsons. Parsons got Level 3 while Russians Level 2 only.

In FD even being strict and not counting moot edges - Levels for M&Z are Level 2 and Level 3, first Level for Yanovskaya & Mozgov Level 3. While Parsons once again gets Level 3 for both Sequences, Morozova & Zhirnov gets Levels 1 and Y&M Level 2 in Circular Step Sequence.
 

sisinka

Final Flight
Joined
Nov 25, 2006
Now look at judges marks and compare:

Compare Moscheni & Lukacz, Gaistruk & Olejnik, Morozova & Zhirnov….no matter what dance style you like or not, Morozova & Zhirnov have the best quality of Skating Skills.

Judges gave the highest Skating Skills to Hungarians – 7.14 points, Morozova & Zhirnov got 6.89 points and Ukrainians got only a little bit less than Russians – 6.68 points. How do you explain this? This is as blind as attempt to persuade people that Coomes & Buckland are better technicians than Weaver & Poje. Judge number 2 even gave Morozova & Zhirnov whole point less than Hungarian couple.

Component - Performance: involvement of the Skater/Pair/Couple physically, emotionally and intellectually as they translate the intent of the music and choreography.
Component - Interpretation: The personal and creative translation of the rhythm, character and content of music to movement on ice.


No matter if you like dark and dramatic music and story line or not… Morozova & Zhirnov had the biggest input into the program and they lived throught their story changing dynamics with changements in music.

But Performance mark looked like….M&Z 6.93 points, Parsons with fluent and no contrast presentation got 7.14 points and Hungarians 7.43 points.
Interpretation mark looked like…M&Z and Parsons got 7.00 points, Hungarians 7.43 points.

And finally judges GOE….I already wrote about it sooner. This time I will make a presentation of what qualities judges think Morozova & Zhirnov really had…

M&Z got +0.60 GOE for the first Step Sequence… https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mTfuwyrE1hQ#t=58
… and + 0.34 GOE for the second Step Sequence… https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mTfuwyrE1hQ#t=196

Judges think that….Abachkina & Thauron had much better quality of their first Step Sequence giving the French 0.79 GOE (which is even higher than M&Z GOE from first Step Sequence)… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2cACkmQ2O0&feature=player_detailpage#t=66

Judges think that…Croteau-Villeneuve & Hough showed better quality of steps than M&Z in second Step Sequence and almost the same quality like M&Z in first Step Sequence giving the Canadians 0.51 GOE for this… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95nzzrAYj54&feature=player_detailpage#t=65

And at the end…judges really think that M&Z second Step Sequence was worse that Kuzmich & Sinicyn Step Sequence giving the Czech couple 0.43 GOE… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWyCMwDZEN8&feature=player_detailpage#t=45

Did it really reflect the reality?
Was it really that harsh to everybody?
 
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