2015 Russian Nationals Short Dance

bramweld · Dec 25, 2014

sisinka said:
Russian skating has many beauties, I think...

I agree with your point of view, and in some moment I absolutely agree...if other couples want to get their deserved places they must be twice as good as some others, yes.

But what I don't take like fair situation is the fact that some sportsmen's journeys are more easy than other ones. But what did Stepanova, Monko or Ilinykh worse in their preparation that their couples have more difficult journey than Vika & Nikita? Usually you gain support with help of great results or great quality of skating...based on what has Vika & Nikita better support than other couples here?

They are a very beautiful couple whose coach (with Igor Sp.) has prepared world and Olympic champions. That's it in a nutshell. Is it fair, no. But why begrudge them that? Let them have the media attention and let the other pairs quietly prepare.

Ultimately however only the work done on the ice will earn them the real recognition they crave. Besides as Lena has said many a time and now I know it is true, the FED has always seen Nikita as the real star of the pair. The reality, she was the true anchor as ID is a technical sport. The more herself and Ruslan succeed the less impact the PR tactics of Zueva et al. will have.

uhh · Dec 25, 2014

If the fed are supporting S/K based on Marina's reputation, they are crazy because none of her teams are getting strong technical scores, and the judges have shown they won't be propped up on PCS either. And why would you promote a team that doesn't even have the minimums for worlds? This is just marina thinking she can cover her coaching deficiency with PR fluff.

bramweld · Dec 25, 2014

uhh said:
If the fed are supporting S/K based on Marina's reputation, they are crazy because none of her teams are getting strong technical scores, and the judges have shown they won't be propped up on PCS either. And why would you promote a team that doesn't even have the minimums for worlds? This is just marina thinking she can cover her coaching deficiency with PR fluff.

This.

Marta25 · Dec 25, 2014

uhh said:
If the fed are supporting S/K based on Marina's reputation, they are crazy because none of her teams are getting strong technical scores, and the judges have shown they won't be propped up on PCS either. And why would you promote a team that doesn't even have the minimums for worlds? This is just marina thinking she can cover her coaching deficiency with PR fluff.

I still think I/Z have a real chance here. COR is often like a mini National Championship for the Russian couples and if you look at the PCS, I/Z were clearly ahead of any Russian couple. Even with an error-ridden skate like their SD at GPF, they had more points than any other Russian couple. I think, at the end the Russian Fed wants to keep their 3 spots and IMO relying on I/Z will be their best shot with B/S out.

LisaM · Dec 25, 2014

Imo Marina probably just has her hands in her hair (is that even an expression) because all of her top teams retired and the Shibs are basically all she has right now (and they're doing well but aren't getting big scores either). So considering I/K were going to be the next big thing after Sochi and it didn't go that way, she probably just expected K to pick up where I/K left off with S. So she pushed the PR.

bramweld · Dec 25, 2014

Marta25 said:
I still think I/Z have a real chance here. COR is often like a mini National Championship for the Russian couples and if you look at the PCS, I/Z were clearly ahead of any Russian couple. Even with an error-ridden skate like their SD at GPF, they had more points than any other Russian couple. I think, at the end the Russian Fed wants to keep their 3 spots and IMO relying on I/Z will be their best shot with B/S out.

It is going to be so difficult for all the pairs to know that only the top two are safe. This really should not be the case. B/S should have to prove they are worthy of going to Europeans by doing another competition or by an organized skate-off between them and the third placed team at least two weeks before Europeans.

alithia · Dec 25, 2014

I don't understand why all this talk about beauty. What is beauty really? I/Z are two strikingly good looking young people, unless your standards of beauty are only people with blond hair and blue eyes, and this sounds..let's say...dangerous..

On the other hand,I'm sick with negativity, especially by people who disliked Lena up until now and of course find it easy to still be negative about her in another way. And people who still want I/K to get together thinking they will get married or something and still go on other sites wishing it. And all that happens like it's some kind of pattern, before every important event..

Isn't it time to let go?

As far as PR goes..I don't care..If I had friends on TV and needed PR I'd do it. The others probably dont' want such distraction. And for I/K fans, I/K never had this kind of P/R that was mostly B/S...and back then fans complained...again...Just because they want to see their favourites on TV...

sisinka · Dec 25, 2014

Marta25 said:
I understand what you are saying, but all that PR didn`t help S/K with the international judges. I think the way I/Z are handling this is very wise and mature. Since they started their partnership they focussed on working hard and did less PR than S/K. The result of this were placements that exceeded any expectations the Russian Fed had. I think most people thought that international judges would prefer S/K over I/Z, but the first round went clearly to I/Z, regardless of how much PR Zueva did.

alithia said:
As far as PR goes..I don't care..If I had friends on TV and needed PR I'd do it. The others probably dont' want such distraction. And for I/K fans, I/K never had this kind of P/R that was mostly B/S...and back then fans complained...again...Just because they want to see their favourites on TV... .

I also prefer Kustarova / Alexeeva / Riabinina and I&Z’s behaviour towards media. But as I know since 2013/14 season, all skaters / coach‘s contact with media is under control of Russian Federation.

So every time ANY interview with S&K and Zueva occurs, it is done with agreement of the Russian Federation – this brings questions in my mind why Russian Federation thinks that this is so neccesary to do….much more neccesary than asking foreign Technical specialists for help – and for example explain Twizzle‘s rules to Svinin / Zhuk and Stepanova & Bukin at Close Test Skate to avoid lower Levels…much more neccesary than giving I&Z some opportunity to work with specialist for lifts…much more neccesary than taking some 21st century costume designer for all Russian ladies (excepting Lena)…

sisinka · Dec 25, 2014

adelia said:
You need to chill. Who knows what the other couples think about all this media coverage. Maybe they don't like it or maybe they prefer to fly under the radar. Who knows, certainly not you or me. As for S/K skating first, there is no need to explain to me what the starting order at previous nationals was, I have no issues with the skating order.

I posted an article where Vaitsekhovskaya told that Russian Federation’s ignoration of Monko & Khaliavin at NHK Trophy was so obvious that even Zhulin himself was complaining to Vaitsekhovskaya what he should think about it and what he should tell to his sportsmen…I hope that you are not going to say that Zhulin doesn’t know what other couples think…

sisinka · Dec 25, 2014

alithia said:
On the other hand,I'm sick with negativity, especially by people who disliked Lena up until now and of course find it easy to still be negative about her in another way. And people who still want I/K to get together thinking they will get married or something and still go on other sites wishing it. And all that happens like it's some kind of pattern, before every important event..

I don’t believe that anybody really thinks that Lena would come back to Nikita. It is a nonsense. Not mentioning the fact that in moment of Grand Prix Series I&Z‘s Skating Skills were much better than S&K‘s, so it would take from half to one year to get the same level of skating if I and Z would came back to previous partners.

sisinka · Dec 25, 2014

starlight97 said:
Or maybe the other couples and their coaches prefer to focus their time and energy on the actual skating and let results talk for them.

This is not about “being in spotlight“ against “preparing quitly“….
…this is about “being presented like the best“ against “all those couples are worse“.

Commentators ugly comments towards Monko & Khaliavin and Ilinykh & Zhiganshin, while speaking lovely about Sinitsina & Katsalapov – you don’t expect that commentators themselves came with such ideas, of course no, somebody told them…who it could be?

starlight97 said:
Let's be relaxed and await the competition itself

I am 100% for letting skating talk

…if judges, panel, Russian Federation and media will have nothing againts.

elif · Dec 25, 2014

Who is technical specialist and controller?

adelia · Dec 25, 2014

sisinka said:
I posted an article where Vaitsekhovskaya told that Russian Federation’s ignoration of Monko & Khaliavin at NHK Trophy was so obvious that even Zhulin himself was complaining to Vaitsekhovskaya what he should think about it and what he should tell to his sportsmen…I hope that you are not going to say that Zhulin doesn’t know what other couples think…

Yeah, what I said doesn't contradict what Zhulin said. So his couple is not happy with it. Doesn't mean all the other couples feel the same. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. We don't know. You're getting worked up about something that ultimately won't really affect the scores that much. Marina's SOP is annoying but based on how the judging has been this season, her couples aren't really being favoured.

Alba · Dec 25, 2014

sisinka said:
much more neccesary than giving I&Z some opportunity to work with specialist for lifts…

I think they did that. At the GPF they got level 4, if I'm not mistaken.

Alba · Dec 25, 2014

elif said:
Who is technical specialist and controller?

Alla is the controller, Elec from Hungary is the tech.assistant specialist, Galit from Israel is the assistan specialist.
The former two were in CoC as well.

LisaM · Dec 25, 2014

I'm soooo positively nervous! Please keep dem updates coming as I'm having dinner with the family!

Snow63 · Dec 25, 2014

adelia said:
Yeah, what I said doesn't contradict what Zhulin said. So his couple is not happy with it. Doesn't mean all the other couples feel the same. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. We don't know. You're getting worked up about something that ultimately won't really affect the scores that much. Marina's SOP is annoying but based on how the judging has been this season, her couples aren't really being favoured.

I disagree. Judges were very generous to S/K at CoR. And at NHK they messed up themself, and still got too high GOE bonus for some of their elements.

MK's Winter · Dec 25, 2014

They have begun the introduction of the judging panel. Group 1 on the ice for warm up.

Ravyn Rant · Dec 25, 2014

First group is warming up!

starlight97 · Dec 25, 2014

sisinka said:
This is not about “being in spotlight“ against “preparing quitly“….
…this is about “being presented like the best“ against “all those couples are worse“.

I am 100% for letting skating talk …if judges, panel, Russian Federation and media will have nothing againts.

Yes I agree with you.
But all that Zueva gains with this is disliking from the other coaches and annoyance from the skating fans.
And of course these feelings transfer directly to S/K because in the end they are the ones that people see in the spotlight, not their communicative coach.
And I feel bad for S/K because all the promotion and hype in the world don't help if you fail to back it up with results.
By painting them like the new Ice Dance #1 Zueva makes people expect things that the team simply cannot deliver (yet) so in the end, imo, she hurts them with her over promotion.

But I don't really care as long as the politicking is only media orientated and does not affect the scores!, I wish all teams clean skates and hope for a great competition.

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