Nathan Chen

topaz emerald · Jan 6, 2017

I think for 2018 olympic year, Nathan should skate to the superman theme for his lp? what do you guys think? He sometimes has that S curl in front of his forehead like Superman, lol. Also because I think this music will showcase his strength in his jumps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9vrfEoc8_g
http://funds.gfmcdn.com/11441831_1463363871.7412.png

eta:
http://cdn.squaregalaxy.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/superman-hair.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/144096/3780724-christopher+reeve+superman.jpg

SelfOM · Jan 6, 2017

I like it! Has that been used before? I think it works because it is bold, bombastic, and unabashedly American which seems to fit him. This is a kid who skated his FS during the gala portion just to prove that he could do it and correct the mistakes he had made. It's hard to explain, but his demeanor comes off as more aggressive than Boyang, Kolyada, Shomo, Yuzuru, Javi and Chan. It can't just be quads, because Boyang does them as well. Might need to use a medley form of the song though.

topaz emerald · Jan 6, 2017

SelfOM said:
I like it! Has that been used before? I think it works because it is bold, bombastic, and unabashedly American which seems to fit him. This is a kid who skated his FS during the gala portion just to prove that he could do it and correct the mistakes he had made. It's hard to explain, but his demeanor comes off as more aggressive than Boyang, Kolyada, Shomo, Yuzuru, Javi and Chan. It can't just be quads, because Boyang does them as well. Might need to use a medley form of the song though.

no, I don't believe anyone has used the superman theme, haha. But I think he should seriously consider it as his long program music. I think he can pull it off. You are right, the musis is bold.

gsyzf · Jan 7, 2017

SelfOM said:
I like it! Has that been used before? I think it works because it is bold, bombastic, and unabashedly American which seems to fit him. This is a kid who skated his FS during the gala portion just to prove that he could do it and correct the mistakes he had made. It's hard to explain, but his demeanor comes off as more aggressive than Boyang, Kolyada, Shomo, Yuzuru, Javi and Chan. It can't just be quads, because Boyang does them as well. Might need to use a medley form of the song though.

Is Superman a bit old-fashioned? Many skaters/their team choose warhorse music in Olympic season, especially young skaters. He probably will skate to some kind of warhorse music in the olympic season. :laugh:

Nathan has a very fierce glare, which might be a reason why his demeanor comes off as more aggressive. Actually Yuzuru has a very fierce glare as well. But many people are deceived by his appearance.

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ETA:

The next Olympics will be held in Asia. Most of the audience in the olympics arena will be Korean, Japanese or Chinese. Some skaters will choose music that appeals to Asian audience next season. But it's not easy to choose a piece of Asian music that can appeal to both Asian audience and non-Asian judges. Hisaishi's music is probably the safest choice in appealing to both Asian (regardless of their nationalities) and non-Asian audience.

I don't think Nathan will choose Asian music next season, probably some warhorse music. He might re-use his SP this season.

da96103 · Jan 7, 2017

topaz emerald said:
I think for 2018 olympic year, Nathan should skate to the superman theme for his lp? what do you guys think? He sometimes has that S curl in front of his forehead like Superman, lol. Also because I think this music will showcase his strength in his jumps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9vrfEoc8_g
http://funds.gfmcdn.com/11441831_1463363871.7412.png

eta:
http://cdn.squaregalaxy.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/superman-hair.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/144096/3780724-christopher+reeve+superman.jpg

SP: Hair straightened as Clark Kent with spectacles
LP: Hair curled as Superman with red cape

sheetz · Jan 7, 2017

Contrary to popular perception Nathan is actually a very lyrical skater and as such I don't think the Superman theme would suit him. He is at his best when the program highlights his dance background. Right now he's more focused on the jumps, but when he puts it all together he's quite breathtaking. One of my favorite programs is his SP from 2014 Nationals which still holds the record for US Junior Men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqrY1WtdR2w&t=10s

da96103 · Jan 7, 2017

gsyzf said:
Is Superman a bit old-fashioned? Many skaters/their team choose warhorse music in Olympic season, especially young skaters. He probably will skate to some kind of warhorse music in the olympic season.

Nathan has a very fierce glare, which might be a reason why his demeanor comes off as more aggressive. Actually Yuzuru has a very fierce glare as well. But many people are deceived by his appearance.

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ETA:

The next Olympics will be held in Asia. Most of the audience in the olympics arena will be Korean, Japanese or Chinese. Some skaters will choose music that appeals to Asian audience next season. But it's not easy to choose a piece of Asian music that can appeal to both Asian audience and non-Asian judges. Hisaishi's music is probably the safest choice in appealing to both Asian (regardless of their nationalities) and non-Asian audience.

I don't think Nathan will choose Asian music next season, probably some warhorse music. He might re-use his SP this season.

Asian (-like) music of Western origin:

Chopin's Black Keys etude is very Chinese-like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKYAFGWdgXg
Fritz Kreisler's Tambourin chinois. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUYRuoklSoE

Asian music by Chinese composer that uses the piano
There's a piece in ABRSM Grade 7 Piano exam called Dance of the Seaweed/River Grass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPalKg-pyiM
There's a piece called Sunflowers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nROJcoQUyRc

topaz emerald · Jan 7, 2017

sheetz said:
Contrary to popular perception Nathan is actually a very lyrical skater and as such I don't think the Superman theme would suit him. He is at his best when the program highlights his dance background. Right now he's more focused on the jumps, but when he puts it all together he's quite breathtaking. One of my favorite programs is his SP from 2014 Nationals which still holds the record for US Junior Men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqrY1WtdR2w&t=10s

I agree, he is a lyrical skater, but the superman theme is not all bold and aggressive, it has variation too, a softer part of the theme.

topaz emerald · Jan 7, 2017

I can see him doing something like the Days of Thunder Theme song too, what do you guys think? I'm not sure how to do music cuts yet, hans zimmer music is usually very bold yet there are lots of variation to it as well. It's just something different from the rest of the guys. There is a theme of winning in this music.

eta: trying to do music cuts
the beginning of the song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR2-wQv1q6I&t=1202s

and middle part, starts at 21:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR2-wQv1q6I&t=1202s

or another middle part, starts at 43:33 mark (I don't know how to do video cuts yet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR2-wQv1q6I&t=1202s

and for ending, I'm sure the music has a part that conveys him wiining the race. So idea is his introduction to car racing, then a romantic part, then winning the race, lol.

gsyzf · Jan 8, 2017

da96103 said:
Asian (-like) music of Western origin:

Chopin's Black Keys etude is very Chinese-like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKYAFGWdgXg
Fritz Kreisler's Tambourin chinois. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUYRuoklSoE

Asian music by Chinese composer that uses the piano
There's a piece in ABRSM Grade 7 Piano exam called Dance of the Seaweed/River Grass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPalKg-pyiM
There's a piece called Sunflowers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nROJcoQUyRc

The first two pieces sound like western classical music. The last two pieces are not well known and don't have wide appeal. (I don't the origin of the last piece.) Most olympic audiences are casual fans. Music from well known movies like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and The Last Emperor would have more appeal than music by lesser known composers. But I think what's most important is that the music chosen for next season should appeal to general Korean fans, not Chinese fans. Chinese fans will be the minority in Peongchang. (Using Chinese music would be a good idea in 2022.) The majority of the audience at next Olympics will be Koreans, followed by Japanese fans. Hisaishi's music is popular in Korea. I don't know if there is another Asian composer who is as popular as Hisaishi worldwide.

Also, it's not easy to interpret Asian music unless the skater has a very good understanding of the culture. Although Nathan has Asian heritage, he was born and raised in the USA. He is quite Americanized. I don't think he has the cultural understanding to skate to Asian music, at least not at his age now.

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ETA: Quite a number of skaters are already skating to music by Asian composers this season. E.g. Yuzuru and Elizabet Tursynbayeva are skating to Hisaishi's music this season. Evgenia is skating to Yiruma (a popular Korean composer)'s music this season. They may very well re-use those programs in the olympic season. Some skaters' programs this season are preparation for the Olympic season.

gsyzf · Jan 8, 2017

sheetz said:
Contrary to popular perception Nathan is actually a very lyrical skater and as such I don't think the Superman theme would suit him. He is at his best when the program highlights his dance background. Right now he's more focused on the jumps, but when he puts it all together he's quite breathtaking. One of my favorite programs is his SP from 2014 Nationals which still holds the record for US Junior Men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqrY1WtdR2w&t=10s

I thought he looked like a mini-Patrick back then. Now he has more of his own style. I think he is quite versatile and can try different styles of music.

sheetz · Jan 13, 2017

Nathan's teleconference is up. He talked about his quad training around the 14 min mark and said he'll likely try 4S at 4CC.

http://web.icenetwork.com/video/topic/213147480/v1219545583

One interesting tidbit was when he added, "I've been working on all my quads, excluding loop, for the past 2 weeks..." To me that sounds like he has practiced 4L before but not for the past 2 weeks. He also stated that if he feels good it's possible he could add a 2nd 4Lz.

Tahuu · Jan 13, 2017

sheetz said:
Nathan's teleconference is up. He talked about his quad training around the 14 min mark and said he'll likely try 4S at 4CC.

http://web.icenetwork.com/video/topic/213147480/v1219545583

One interesting tidbit was when he added, "I've been working on all my quads, excluding loop, for the past 2 weeks..." To me that sounds like he has practiced 4L before but not for the past 2 weeks. He also stated that if he feels good it's possible he could add a 2nd 4Lz.

I thought I heard "including loop..." I think he should consider repeating the 4F instead, as the entry of his 4F is very short. Having all the quads and repeating 4T and 4F would allow him do a 7-quad and a 3A long program and get up to 124 BV and possible 135 TES if all GOE=1.

sheetz · Jan 13, 2017

Tahuu said:
I thought I heard "including loop..." I think he should consider repeating the 4F instead, as the entry of his 4F is very short. Repeating 4T and 4F would allow him to do a 6-quads long program and get up to 125 tech score when the Olympic podium is on the line.

The first time I heard it I also thought he said "including loop" but then when I went back it sounded more like "excluding". Either way it sounds like he's been practicing 4L.

I'm thinking maybe he means to replace the 2nd 4T with 4Lz because that one has a pretty long entry.

Tahuu · Jan 13, 2017

^^ That's possible too for the current long program layout/pattern.

gsyzf · Jan 14, 2017

sheetz said:
Nathan's teleconference is up. He talked about his quad training around the 14 min mark and said he'll likely try 4S at 4CC.

http://web.icenetwork.com/video/topic/213147480/v1219545583

One interesting tidbit was when he added, "I've been working on all my quads, excluding loop, for the past 2 weeks..." To me that sounds like he has practiced 4L before but not for the past 2 weeks. He also stated that if he feels good it's possible he could add a 2nd 4Lz.

I can't listen to the teleconference. Do you need ice network subscription to listen to the conference calls? To me, it sounds like he has been practicing only 4t, 4s, 4f and 4lz and never practiced 4lo. He stopped practicing 4s for a while after TDF. My interpretation of "I've been working on all my quads, excluding loop" is that he is now re-practicing 4s.

Tahuu said:
I thought I heard "including loop..." I think he should consider repeating the 4F instead, as the entry of his 4F is very short. Having all the quads and repeating 4T and 4F would allow him do a 7-quad and a 3A long program and get up to 124 BV and possible 135 TES if all GOE=1.

I don't think it's realistic for him to try 7 quads. I don't think he is irrational to even plan 7 quads. Right now, the consistency of his 4lz and 4f is about the same. He can repeat either 4lz or 4f instead of repeating 4t. But one of the repeated quads must be in combination to get full credit. He has been doing 4lz3t and solo 4F in the LP. (He is doing 4lz3t in the LP because he is doing 4lz3t in the SP. He just uses the same jump combo in the LP.) So it makes more sense to repeat the 4lz, not the 4f. Repeating 4f means he need to practice another jump combo 4f3t in order to get full credit. Also, 4lz has higher BV, which is another advantage over 4f.

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ETA: I think his LP will only have a max of 5 quads if he includes 4S. If he doesn't include 4s, his LP layout will only have 4 quads. His most consistent quad is 4t and least consistent quad is 4s. The consistency of 4lz and 4f is about the same. Right now he does 4lz, 4f and two 4t. If his 4lz consistency improves, he may do two 4lz and only one 4f and 4t. If his 4s consistency improves, he can replace the 3lo with 4s and does 5 quad instead (the jump order may change).

sheetz · Jan 14, 2017

gsyzf said:
I can't listen to the teleconference. Do you need ice network subscription to listen to the conference calls? To me, it sounds like he has been practicing only 4t, 4s, 4f and 4lz and never practiced 4lo. He stopped practicing 4s for a while after TDF. My interpretation of "I've been working on all my quads, excluding loop" is that he is now re-practicing 4s.

No, it's free to listen for everyone. No subscription needed.

By saying, "I've been working on all my quads, excepting the loop," he's saying that the 4L is one of his quads but that he hasn't been practicing it for the last two weeks. If he had never practiced 4L before then there was no need to mention loop at all. He would have just said, "I've been working on all my quads," and we would simply assume he has been working on the 4 quads that we have seen him attempt in competition.

Tahuu · Jan 14, 2017

@gsyzf, You can't use iOS devices to watch or listen to icenetwork videos because iOS disallows flash player. Yeah, it's pretty dumb for icenetwork to ignore iPhone/iPad users. You have to use your laptop or desktop to listen to these conference calls.

If Nathan has a 4Lo, I think he could eventually do a layout with 7 quads by doing 4T3T, 4F2T2Lo, 3A3F, 4Lz, 4F, 4T, 4S, 4Lo in some order. That's where the 135 TES comes from.

da96103 · Jan 14, 2017

Tahuu said:
@gsyzf, You can't use iOS devices to watch or listen to icenetwork videos because iOS disallows flash player. Yeah, it's pretty dumb for icenetwork to ignore iPhone/iPad users. You have to use your laptop or desktop to listen to these conference calls.

If Nathan has a 4Lo, I think he could eventually do a layout with 7 quads by doing 4T3T, 4F2T2Lo, 3A3F, 4Lz, 4F, 4T, 4S, 4Lo in some order. That's where the 135 TES comes from.

This jump 3A3F is not possible in this layout.
Do you mean 3A-1Lo-3F? He can't do that because the three jump combo is already used up in the 2nd jump.
Do you mean 3A+3T? He can't do that either because the 3T would be the third jump to be repeated.
But most likely the 3A will be solo because 3A is his weakest jump.
The third combo +2T or +2Lo would need to be tagged to one of the solo quads.

shokugekinoshoma · Jan 14, 2017

Hopefully Nathan doesn't injure himself anytime soon.

With all those quads and the current state of his hip, I'm always concerned when I hear about him pulling off something new!

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