Love Liza, but she did have two "e" calls on her flips and was missing two triples in the free. Her jumping GOE's were definitely lowballed, but she gives up a bunch of points in the non-jumps unfortunately. I hope they work on maximizing her base value because she's really underselling herself considering she has THREE clean triple axels!
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Love Liza, but she did have two "e" calls on her flips and was missing two triples in the free. Her jumping GOE's were definitely lowballed, but she gives up a bunch of points in the non-jumps unfortunately. I hope they work on maximizing her base value because she's really underselling herself considering she has THREE clean triple axels!
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I was anxious to see if she had taken out the 3Lz+2A+seq at Finlandia, where she was giving away 20% of BV like it was candy, and she had! I don't know how consistent her 2A+eu+3S is but if she can land that and 3Lz+3T in competition her BV is much improved. I was very relieved to see they were working to improve her jump layout.
I'm a bit worried if she's okay after the two CS event losses, though.
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Well I'm grumpy on Liza's behalf, Alëna obviously deserved to win, but by 20 points? Come on, judges at least be subtle when you're trying to low-ball someone.
BTW has the Finnish judge explained themselves yet? If that was a 0 GOE Lutz what do you have to do to get a 5 or even a 1?!
I'm totally in love with the FS costume though, it's awesome!
BTW has the Finnish judge explained themselves yet? If that was a 0 GOE Lutz what do you have to do to get a 5 or even a 1?!
I'm totally in love with the FS costume though, it's awesome!
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I was anxious to see if she had taken out the 3Lz+2A+seq at Finlandia, where she was giving away 20% of BV like it was candy, and she had! I don't know how consistent her 2A+eu+3S is but if she can land that and 3Lz+3T in competition her BV is much improved. I was very relieved to see they were working to improve her jump layout.
I'm a bit worried if she's okay after the two CS event losses, though.
For one, Liza is an experienced competitor.
She’ll be okay to compete in a week time, just like she won’t be bothered to be losing.
Guys, Liza has been having much harder time before, when she landed 3A and still was getting like 120. She’s in much better shape right now, and I don’t think she’d go without weighting Pros and cons, and possible outcomes.
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Hopefully you're right! I have to say the way Liza's been talked about in the Russian Ladies thread is terrible (to say nothing of how Maria S is treated over there). It's so annoying, they're not even picking on her transitions, they're saying she should suck up the joke GOEs for her jumps and try harder. Are they insane? Liza's jumps are already amazing and she has every right to complain. I'd probably go as far as to register an official complaint if I was her. If Liza's jumps are only worth 0s and 1s then most ladies should have minuses.
And that's my rant for today
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Yeah, in other sports athletes may issue official enquiries but apparently in figure skating you shouldn't do as much as raise an eyebrow at your score...
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Not necessarily - your fed could raise a stink, and you'd get a second set of gold medals
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I agree with nussnacker. Liza is a tough cookie, and has been through worse. Missing the Olympics - twice. Her up-and-down-seasons. Missing the World team... To paraphrase Babylon 5, Liza "has been declared dead more times than Lazarus." She'll get through this - that's why she's the Empress.
To cheer everyone up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjAij5u-WsQ
To cheer everyone up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjAij5u-WsQ
From what we have seen in Finland, she is going for:
3A+2T
3A
3Lz (+3T)
3F (+3T)
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2A+1Eu+3S
3Lz (+3T)
3Lo
With that Euler-Salchow-Combo she finally has the potential of 8 triples in the fs with one 2A only. It will be interesting to see where she will tack on the +3T. This is definitely the smartest layout if she wants to include two 3A.
3A+2T
3A
3Lz (+3T)
3F (+3T)
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2A+1Eu+3S
3Lz (+3T)
3Lo
With that Euler-Salchow-Combo she finally has the potential of 8 triples in the fs with one 2A only. It will be interesting to see where she will tack on the +3T. This is definitely the smartest layout if she wants to include two 3A.
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In gymnastics, you can protest and have the referee inquire into your BV, TES in skating, at the expense of SFR 400 or so. Money forfeit if protest rejected. Medals have changed colours a few times, but it disrupts the flow of the competition as sometimes it has taken 15 minutes to re-asses all the video, confer with the apparatus judge etc. Also, you run the risk of your score being lowered even ...
Figure skating competitions are run on a very tight schedule, and we have seen in JGP how a disruption can completely throw skaters off, ruining their chances.
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I humbly propose a thought experiment:
What would Liza's scores look like if she returned to last year's FP and modified the layout to add technical difficulty? There's room enough for more than one 3A in that FP, and it conveys high energy in a way that (IMHO) her current FP doesn't. YMMV, but she was winning a lot of free skates last year, and adding a 3A in combination would be one way to raise the bar technically in her free. Returning to the music and general vibe of last year's FP would be a way for Liza to reengage the audience through sassy and confident energy even as she hones more difficult elements.
A girl can dream, right?
What would Liza's scores look like if she returned to last year's FP and modified the layout to add technical difficulty? There's room enough for more than one 3A in that FP, and it conveys high energy in a way that (IMHO) her current FP doesn't. YMMV, but she was winning a lot of free skates last year, and adding a 3A in combination would be one way to raise the bar technically in her free. Returning to the music and general vibe of last year's FP would be a way for Liza to reengage the audience through sassy and confident energy even as she hones more difficult elements.
A girl can dream, right?
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Skate America starts today and I'm hoping for a clean sp and fs for Liza. She was landing her 3A during her practice session so let's keep our fingers crossed for 3A consistency! (and maybe an inside edge on the flip?)
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Good luck!
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Liza's SP run through:
(PART 1) https://twitter.com/fuguesque/status/1185280232959332352?s=19
(PART 2) https://twitter.com/fuguesque/status/1185280436068503552?s=19
(PART 1) https://twitter.com/fuguesque/status/1185280232959332352?s=19
(PART 2) https://twitter.com/fuguesque/status/1185280436068503552?s=19
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Sigh...words cannot describe how appalled I am with the Russian Fed for last season.
That was Liza's last chance at World's and glory and everyone knew it with Alëna, Anna and Alexandra coming. Zhenya Med still has a chance and I hope she kicks butt this year, but Liza should have been at World's 2019.
The Russian Fed stole Liza's chance of a thrilling end to her career and I won't ever forgive them for that.
That was Liza's last chance at World's and glory and everyone knew it with Alëna, Anna and Alexandra coming. Zhenya Med still has a chance and I hope she kicks butt this year, but Liza should have been at World's 2019.
The Russian Fed stole Liza's chance of a thrilling end to her career and I won't ever forgive them for that.
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Let's not write Liza's (career) obituary just yet, shall we?
Being a Liza fan has always been a bumpy ride - with some smooth sections in between - so just strap in, and grit your teeth. And keep hoping for the best.
Totally agree! I think if Liza had made worlds last year she would still be competing this year. [emoji178]
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