2015 IceChallenge Men SP and FS

Mrs. P · Oct 28, 2015

Thursday, October 29
19:45 Short Program

Friday, Oct 30
19:15 Free Skating

Time in Graz, Austria (UTC +1)
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/austria/graz

Free Skating start order

StN.	Name	Nation	Current Rank	Points
	Warm-Up Group 1
1	Simon-Gabriel IONIAN	AUT	16	29.98
2	Manuel KOLL	AUT	15	37.11
3	Mario-Rafael IONIAN	AUT	14	43.77
4	Viktor ZUBIK	FIN	13	44.69
5	Anton KEMPF	GER	12	47.28
	Warm-Up Group 2
6	Alessandro FADINI	ITA	11	47.83
7	Adrien BANNISTER	ITA	10	53.41
8	Jiri BELOHRADSKY	CZE	9	54.71
9	Stephane WALKER	SUI	8	60.39
10	Jordan MOELLER	USA	7	63.50
	Warm-Up Group 3
11	Phillip HARRIS	GBR	6	65.93
12	Anton SHULEPOV	RUS	5	74.16
13	Jorik HENDRICKX	BEL	4	74.55
14	Mikhail KOLYADA	RUS	3	74.86
15	Artur DMITRIEV	RUS	2	84.46
16	Jason BROWN	USA	1	85.29

Short Program results
Detailed protocals: http://skateaustria.lvps91-250-98-1...n/1.2015_16/00006/CSAUT2015_MEN_SP_Scores.pdf
Archived live stream: http://livestream.com/accounts/1743329/events/4465040/videos/103232199

Pl.	Name	Nation	TSS =	TES +	PCS +	SS	TR	PE	CH	IN	Deduction -	StN.
1	Jason BROWN	USA	85.29	43.84	41.45	8.15	8.15	8.40	8.20	8.55	0.00	#8
2	Artur DMITRIEV	RUS	84.46	47.46	37.00	7.55	7.25	7.40	7.40	7.40	0.00	#10
3	Mikhail KOLYADA	RUS	74.86	38.81	37.05	7.50	7.05	7.50	7.45	7.55	1.00	#16
4	Jorik HENDRICKX	BEL	74.55	39.30	35.25	7.00	6.85	7.05	7.05	7.30	0.00	#1
5	Anton SHULEPOV	RUS	74.16	40.01	35.15	7.05	6.75	7.05	7.00	7.30	1.00	#6
6	Phillip HARRIS	GBR	65.93	36.13	30.80	6.35	6.05	5.95	6.00	6.45	1.00	#4
7	Jordan MOELLER	USA	63.50	31.90	31.60	6.50	6.05	6.35	6.30	6.40	0.00	#15
8	Stephane WALKER	SUI	60.39	32.04	28.35	5.70	5.30	5.80	5.60	5.95	0.00	#2
9	Jiri BELOHRADSKY	CZE	54.71	27.46	28.25	5.90	5.45	5.75	5.60	5.55	1.00	#17
10	Adrien BANNISTER	ITA	53.41	27.06	26.35	5.65	4.90	5.30	5.20	5.30	0.00	#11
11	Alessandro FADINI	ITA	47.83	21.73	27.10	5.40	5.15	5.45	5.30	5.80	1.00	#13
12	Anton KEMPF	GER	47.28	23.83	25.45	5.30	4.95	4.95	5.10	5.15	2.00	#12
13	Viktor ZUBIK	FIN	44.69	18.64	26.05	5.60	5.00	5.15	5.25	5.05	0.00	#14
14	Mario-Rafael IONIAN	AUT	43.77	22.07	22.70	4.80	4.30	4.60	4.55	4.45	1.00	#7
15	Manuel KOLL	AUT	37.11	14.51	22.60	4.90	4.35	4.10	4.80	4.45	0.00	#5
16	Simon-Gabriel IONIAN	AUT	29.98	12.28	19.70	4.05	3.80	3.80	4.00	4.05	2.00	#9

Entries

No.	Name	Nation
1	Mario-Rafael IONIAN	AUT
	SP TBD LP TBD
2	Simon-Gabriel IONIAN	AUT
	SP TBD LP TBD
3	Manuel KOLL	AUT
	SP Elvis medley LP TBD
4	Jorik HENDRIXX	BEL
	SP You Raise Me Up by Josh Groban FS Titanic (soundtrack) by James Horner
5	Jiri BELOHRADSKY	CZE
	SP Toccata and Fugue by Johann Sebastian Bach (modern arrangement) Carmen by Georges Bizet
6	Petr KOTLARIK	CZE
	SP It's A Man's World LP Almoraima; Asturias
7	Viktor ZUBIK	FIN
	SP Russian Sailors' Dance (from "The Red Poppy") by Reinold Gliere; choreo by Ruslan Novoseltsev LP Gladiator (soundtrack) by Hans Zimmer; choreo by Ruslan Novoseltsev
8	Anton KEMPF	GER
	SP LP Shape of My Heart by Sting, Entry of the Gladiators by Military Band, The Benny Hill Show Theme
9	Phillip HARRIS	GBR
	SP Le Desir by Saint-Preux LP The Globalist by Muse
10	Adrien BANNISTER	ITA
	SP Kiss by Tom Jones LP Pink Panther Mambo by La33
11	Alessandro FADINI	ITA
	SP Grande Amore by Il Volo LP Lay Me Down by Sam Smith
12	Artur DMITRIEV	RUS
	SP TBD LP The Godfather soundtrack
13	Mikhail KOLYADA	RUS
	SP Nightingale Tango; Foxtrot by John Gray, Matvei Blanter LP The Nightmare Before Christmas (soundtrack) by Danny Elfman
14	Anton SHULEPOV	RUS
	SP TBD LP TBD
15	Stephane WALKER	SUI
	SP Wicked Game by James Vincent McMorrow LP Piano Concerto No. 21, Andante by Wolfgang A. Mozart
16	Jason BROWN	USA
	SP Love is Blindness by The Grey Orchestra, choreo by Rohene Ward LP The Scent of Love by Michael Nyman; choreo by Rohene Ward
17	Jordan MOELLER	USA
	SP "The Allure" by Beats Antique LP Peer Gynt Suites by Edvard Grieg; choreography by Rohene Ward

Interspectator · Oct 28, 2015

Gooo Jason, land that quaaad!

MGstyle · Oct 28, 2015

starting order for tomorrow not up yet?

Mrs. P · Oct 28, 2015

The results page is not up yet, so no starting order. I only know that Jason Brown is skating 8th because he posted it on Instagram.

MGstyle · Oct 28, 2015

Mrs. P said:
The results page is not up yet, so no starting order. I only know that Jason Brown is skating 8th because he posted it on Instagram.

Perfect thanx, that's all I wanted to know lol...

OS · Oct 29, 2015

Will Jason finally land his quad? If so, PCS 85+ in his FS?

StitchMonkey · Oct 29, 2015

os168 said:
Will Jason finally land his quad? If so, PCS 85+ in his FS?

He has already managed 89 PCS in the free without a quad and 85.36 this weekend at Skate America.... frankly this program with a clean quad should clear 90 PCS or the quad is not worth it.

OS · Oct 29, 2015

StitchMonkey said:
He has already managed 89 PCS in the free without a quad and 85.36 this weekend at Skate America.... frankly this program with a clean quad should clear 90 PCS or the quad is not worth it.

LOL fans wishful thinking perhaps? 89 where?

I think at best 85+ is already a very good mark with an iffy quads at international judging standard, consider Michida, Denis used to get about 82 with quads at Olympics, Javier around 89 with 2 quads for his WC trophy. I don't think Jason is above them. From his latest outings, he is still about 60% potential of that program so I am realistic consider it was just last week. In a few more weeks/months, who knows.

Mrs. P · Oct 29, 2015

WTT is where Jason got the 89 PCS. I think there was a lot of inflation so I don't count it. He did hit the 83-85 range a few times last season without the quad. His lowest PCS was around 79 at Rostelecom Cup.

StitchMonkey · Oct 29, 2015

os168 said:
LOL fans wishful thinking perhaps? 89 where?

I think at best 85+ is already a very good mark with an iffy quads at international judging standard, consider Michida, Denis used to get about 82 with quads at Olympics, Javier around 89 with 2 quads for his WC trophy. I don't think Jason is above them. From his latest outings, he is still about 60% potential of that program so I am realistic consider it was just last week. In a few more weeks/months, who knows.

I won't disagree that an 85 is good for an iffy quad and a botched 3A, but I do think it needs to go up from there with a clean outing. I frankly would be disappointed if a clean Jason with a quad does not beat his personal best without a quad - if it does not - what is the point of killing himself for the quad? If 85 is his upper limit regardless of the quad, and he can hit it without, why would he do a quad? I stand by my statement that if he does not imporove, than maybe the quad is not actually being rewarded enough to be worth it. If people are going to badger Jason about the quad, yes I want his scores to go up when/if he starts landing it.

If a botched 3A and a UR with a fall quad is worth 85.36 then what do you think a clean quad and clean second 3A should garner? Five point does not seem unreasonable and that puts him at 90. I realize it may not happen, but I also think that an 88 would be too low of a reward. Less than three points increase seems honestly a bit sad when you think about it. I am not as quad crazy as some, but it should be rewarded.

Regardless of personal opinions on Jason, most I think will agree he is a hard worker. I do think he will land a quad eventually, and I don't see what is wrong with hoping his scores go up enough to reflect and reward that hard work.

skylark · Oct 29, 2015

I'm with you on hoping his scores reflect the hard work. Still, I think Jason and his team are looking long-term. This is the year he decided to put in the effort to establish the quad. It's already improved greatly from GF thru Nepela to SA. If it keeps improving through the season, by Worlds he'll have the confidence that he needs for next year.
That's the way I understand what Kori and Jason have said.

Tavi... · Oct 29, 2015

Mrs. P said:
WTT is where Jason got the 89 PCS. I think there was a lot of inflation so I don't count it. He did hit the 83-85 range a few times last season without the quad. His lowest PCS was around 79 at Rostelecom Cup.

Mrs P I don't disagree about the inflation, but ... there's almost always inflation, whether it's event wide or specific to a few guys at an event. So I'm curious - is it necessary to discount Jasons WTT score as inflated? I mean I thought Javi's PCS of 91 at Worlds was way high, but that's what he was awarded so I can't really discount it, can I? Or do you think WTT was different for some reason? I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

StitchMonkey · Oct 29, 2015

papagena said:
Mrs P I don't disagree about the inflation, but ... there's almost always inflation, whether it's event wide or specific to a few guys at an event. So I'm curious - is it necessary to discount Jasons WTT score as inflated? I mean I thought Javi's PCS of 91 at Worlds was way high, but that's what he was awarded so I can't really discount it, can I? Or do you think WTT was different for some reason? I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

Mrs. P is far from the only one to think that WTT scores in general tend to be inflated. Not just this WTT but in general it often has high scores. Part of that likely is due to it being late in the season when teams have their programs nailed, but it also is a fun event where it is fun to give big scores. FWIW I did not take it to be a dig at Jason, but rather Mrs. P's attempt at being fair, which is always noble if not always realistic.

Personally, I think the "does not count" mentality is a dangerous slippery slope and one I don't really like to play on. If it exists, it exists. I don't want to start enumerating what scores count and don't because that will frankly turn into drinking game of old arguments. I am just too cynical to be noble and fair... i just accept what is and try to slush through it. I do however want to say that i lose no respect whatsoever for Mrs. P for her point in this case.

tulosai · Oct 29, 2015

Just popping in to say good luck to Jason! :cheer:

Tavi... · Oct 29, 2015

Stitch - I agree. I wasn't criticing Mrs P!

silverfoxes · Oct 29, 2015

Mikhail, Anton, and Artur

edit - I didn't know Stephane Walker is still competing...and I guess I'm the only one watching this for skaters not named Jason?

gibbynka · Oct 29, 2015

The live results are not being updated?

futurepupdoc · Oct 29, 2015

I am here watching!

MFarone · Oct 29, 2015

Second group on the ice for warm up!

snowflake · Oct 29, 2015

silverfoxes said:
Mikhail, Anton, and Artur

edit - I didn't know Stephane Walker is still competing...and I guess I'm the only one watching this for skaters not named Jason?

Lol, I've been watching, though I must admit that my big interest is Jason's quad

So tell us about Michal, Anton and Artur, well Dmitry I know about(son of the great pair skater A. D.)

2015 IceChallenge Men SP and FS

Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!

Interspectator

MGstyle

Crawling around on the ice after chestnuts

Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!

MGstyle

Crawling around on the ice after chestnuts

OS

Sedated by Modonium

StitchMonkey

OS

Sedated by Modonium

Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!

StitchMonkey

skylark

Gazing at a Glorious Great Lakes sunset

Tavi...

StitchMonkey

tulosai

Tavi...

silverfoxes

gibbynka

futurepupdoc

MFarone

snowflake

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