2015 Golden Spin of Zagreb Ice Dance

dorispulaski · Nov 13, 2015

2 - 5 Dec 2015 updated

Zagreb Croatia

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Schedule (UTC +1)

Thursday, December 3, 2015
15:00 Ice Dance – Short Dance

Saturday, December 5, 2015
13:00 Ice Dance – Free Dance
18:30 Victory Ceremony – Ladies, Ice Dance
20:00 GALA

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StN.	Name	Nation
	Warm-Up Group 1
1	Tina GARABEDIAN / Simon PROULX-SENECAL	ARM
2	Carolina MOSCHENI / Balazs MAJOR (TBC)	HUN
3	Emi HIRAI / Marien DE LA ASUNCION	JPN
	Warm-Up Group 2
4	Olesia KARMI / Max LINDHOLM	FIN
5	Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER	USA
6	Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI	ITA
7	Peroline OJARDIAS / Michael BRAMANTE	FRA

[h=3]Starting Order[/h]

Entries are Up!

No.	Name	Nation
1	Tina GARABEDIAN / Simon PROULX-SENECAL	ARM
	SD Flaming Love and Destiny by Sumumu Yokota and Go Do by Jónsi FD Everybody Wants to Rule the World, performed by Lorde (Hunger Games soundtrack), Cosmic Love by Florence and the Machine
WD	Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY / Nikolaj SORENSEN	DEN
	SD Waltz: Never Tear Us Apart by INXS, March by Karl van de Kerckhove, Waltz: Never Tear Us Apart by INXS; choreo by Marie-France Dubreuil, Patrice Lauzon FD Woman by folk-rock musician Shawn Phillips, with original material from composer Karl Hugo; choreo by Marie-France Dubreuil, Patrice Lauzon
2	Olesia KARMI / Max LINDHOLM	FIN
	SD Waltz No. 2 by Dmitri Shostakovich, Ping Champagne by Rauno Lehtinen; choreo by Marina Zueva and Massimo Scali FD Where's the Man by Timo Lassy, The Good Life by Timo Lassy, Teddy the Sweeper by Timo Lassy; choreo by Marina Zueva and Massimo Scali
3	Peroline OJARDIAS / Michael BRAMANTE	FRA
	SD All of Me (cover version); Die Young by Scott Bradlee's Postmodern Jukebox FD Divenire by Ludovico Einaudi; Young and Beautiful by Lana Del Rey; Experience by Ludovico Einaudi
4	Carolina MOSCHENI / Balazs MAJOR (TBC)	HUN
	SD TBD FD TBD
5	Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI	ITA
	SD Torna a Surriento by Luciano Pavarotti, Viva Italia! by André Rieu, Italian Fantasia by Mantovani Orchestra; FD Schindler's List by John Williams, Schindlers List/Via Dolorosa by Maurice Sklar, "Abdication" from W.E. by Abel Korzeniowski
WD	Sofia SFORZA / Leo Luca SFORZA	ITA
6	Emi HIRAI / Marien DE LA ASUNCION	JPN
	SD Il Terzo Fuochista by Tosca, Everything Is Illuminated (from "Odessa" soundtrack), Il Terzo Fuochista by Tosca; choreo by Diane Ribas
WD	Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN	UKR
7	Kaitlin HAWAYEK / Jean-Luc BAKER	USA
	SD The Waltz of the Flowers and the Nutcracker March from Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite; choreo by P. Camerlengo & A. Krylova FD The Theory of Everything soundtrack) by Johann Johannsson; choreo by P. Camerlengo & A. Krylova

dorispulaski · Dec 1, 2015

The following two teams are no longer listed as entries

7 Sofia SFORZA / Leo Luca SFORZA ITA

9 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR

Snow63 · Dec 1, 2015

I don't get Russian teams. Like, seriously. What are they waiting for? Where are Stepanova/Bukin, Monko/Khaliavin, Sinitsina/Katsalapov, Yanovskaya/Mozgov? What the hell? No one needs reputation? Rating points? Competition practice? Money? Anything?? From all the teams only Ilinykh/Zhiganshin skated at B event this season, at home!
They're sitting on their butts and then, surprise, the programms are raw and unpolished, the levels and GOEs are low, and they need to skate in last warm-up groups, because they don't have rating points! This is completely stupid policy. Even top teams skated at Challengers, some even at two! I don't get it, I really don't. Prepare for your Nationals as long as you want, because soon it will be the only competition where you can get on the podium.

Edit: Tarasova/Morozov missed GPF, they're on the edge of missing National team for Euros, and where do you think they are? At Zagreb! And Nationals in Pairs will not be any easier than in Ica Dance. Same for Tuktamysheva, and even Sotnikova. But no, dance teams are smarter than that, right?

Edit #2: I'm sorry for my hysterical post. I guess I'm not just in a good mood tonight :giveup:

dorispulaski · Dec 1, 2015

Yes its true. And it isn't like elite level Russian men, ladies and pairs don't do a lot of Challengers series events. Look at Tuktamysheva last season!

Ilinykh and Zhiganshin are not quite the only teams though to skate on the series this season.

Ludmila SOSNITSKAIA / Pavel GOLOVISHNOKOV RUS skated at Mordovian Ornament and Denkova-Staviyski Cup

Anastasia SAFRONOVA / Ilia ZIMIN RUS skated at Warsaw Cup and Bobrova & Soloviev were scheduled to skate at Mordovian Ornament but had to withdraw.

But in general, more Russian teams should have taken advantage of the opportunity.

Mrs. P · Dec 1, 2015

Snow63 said:
I don't get Russian teams. Like, seriously. What are they waiting for? Where are Stepanova/Bukin, Monko/Khaliavin, Sinitsina/Katsalapov, Yanovskaya/Mozgov? What the hell? No one needs reputation? Rating points? Competition practice? Money? Anything?? From all the teams only Ilinykh/Zhiganshin skated at B event this season, at home!
They're sitting on their butts and then, surprise, the programms are raw and unpolished, the levels and GOEs are low, and they need to skate in last warm-up groups, because they don't have rating points! This is completely stupid policy. Even top teams skated at Challengers, some even at two! I don't get it, I really don't. Prepare for your Nationals as long as you want, because soon it will be the only competition where you can get on the podium.

Edit: Tarasova/Morozov missed GPF, they're on the edge of missing National team for Euros, and where do you think they are? At Zagreb! And Nationals in Pairs will not be any easier than in Ica Dance. Same for Tuktamysheva, and even Sotnikova. But no, dance teams are smarter than that, right?

Edit #2: I'm sorry for my hysterical post. I guess I'm not just in a good mood tonight :giveup:

Aw, it's OK.

I can understand the frustration. Senior B's are really beneficial. Just look at the Shibutanis. They had such a poor B event, but that was the feedback they needed to rework the dances and look where they are, in the GPF with the potential to medal! And even last season for them, they did two challenge B's and I feel they really benefited from each one.

I don't follow Russian media --- are the Ice Dance teams using Nationals as a reason to not do these events?

Snow63 · Dec 1, 2015

dorispulaski said:
But in general, more Russian teams should have taken advantage of the opportunity.

This is exactly my point, Doris! I remember Stepanova/Bukin skiped some challenger event (Finlandia?) to skate at Russian Cup event. I mean, who cares about Russian Cup Stage? They would have EASILY medaled in Finlandia, or even won there. Yanovskaya/Mozgov, in their transition to Seniors skipped everything and went straight to GP. WHY?

Mrs. P said:
I don't follow Russian media --- are the Ice Dance teams using Nationals as a reason to not do these events?

No one even say about existence of such thing as Challenger Series. They're all just 'preparing for Nationals' :palmf:

And look how much Chock/Bates and Weaver/Poje benefited from it! They changed their whole dances. Maybe if Ilinykh/Zhiganshin actually skated in front of international panels (not ex-USSR), and got 'advices' and 'suggestions' from judges, they would have changed their dance too. They were capable to receive 70 for their Carmen last year, and this year ig a giant step back with this SD.

dorispulaski · Dec 1, 2015

:agree: Yes, I think the early Challengers events are especially key for dancers. Top level dance judges go to them, so money, points, and standings aside, the advice during the post competition review of someone like Halina Gordon-Półtorak, current head of the Ice Dance Technical committe, is completely invaluable. She was at both Lake Placid USA Challengers Event and at Skate Canada Autumn Classic, for example.

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120229&content_id=26917584&vkey=ice_news

Snow63 · Dec 1, 2015

dorispulaski said:
:agree: Yes, I think the early Challengers events are especially key for dancers. Top level dance judges go to them, so money, points, and standings aside, the advice during the post competition review of someone like Halina Gordon-Półtorak, current head of the Ice Dance Technical committe, is completely invaluable. She was at both Lake Placid USA Challengers Event and at Skate Canada Autumn Classic, for example.

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120229&content_id=26917584&vkey=ice_news

Are you serious or sarcastic? I can't say with this link

I mean, hip-hop in ice dance? Always thought that it's not the best idea.

She was at Mordovian Ornament too, by the way.

dorispulaski · Dec 1, 2015

I was just using a link to demonstrate her credentials. Hip hop was a rhythm in the junior SD with Blues one season. It sounds dreadful, but McNamara/Carpenter did an outstanding zombie hiphop that season.

And yes, if she was at Mordovian Ornament, all the more reason for Stepanova/Bukin, Yanovskaya/Mozgov, Monko/Khaliavin and other teams to compete there.

Snow63 · Dec 1, 2015

dorispulaski said:
I was just using a link to demonstrate her credentials. Hip hop was a rhythm in the junior SD with Blues one season. It sounds dreadful, but McNamara/Carpenter did an outstanding zombie hiphop that season.

And yes, if she was at Mordovian Ornament, all the more reason for Stepanova/Bukin, Yanovskaya/Mozgov, Monko/Khaliavin and other teams to compete there.

Ah, ok. I thought it was some hint to me with this link, sorry

Yes, they had a lot of chances, and Poltorak is not the only specialist who could give an advice. Monko/Khaliavin were never even in the lists of entrys for any Challenger event. They didn't even plan to compete. And then Kirill says 'oh, we thought we deserved higher second mark'. :slink:

Oh well, maybe next season they will be smarter. If it's not too late already.

tulosai · Dec 1, 2015

I also am bummed out that no russian teams are here, though I was especially hoping to see Tiffany Z and Jonathan G. In fairness to B/S they also did want to do a challenger event but were stopped by food poisoning and probably now don't want to do one so they can prepare for the GPF which is understandable.

Mrs. P · Dec 1, 2015

Guinard/Fabbri have a pretty good shot of winning this, me thinks. They seem to score well at senior B's. At last year's Golden Spin they scored 66+ and 100+.

I look forward to seeing Hawayek and Baker too. Hoping for a stronger performance for them here then we saw at the GP.

WeakAnkles · Dec 1, 2015

Snow63 said:
I don't get Russian teams. Like, seriously. What are they waiting for? Where are Stepanova/Bukin, Monko/Khaliavin, Sinitsina/Katsalapov, Yanovskaya/Mozgov? What the hell? No one needs reputation? Rating points? Competition practice? Money? Anything?? From all the teams only Ilinykh/Zhiganshin skated at B event this season, at home!
They're sitting on their butts and then, surprise, the programms are raw and unpolished, the levels and GOEs are low, and they need to skate in last warm-up groups, because they don't have rating points! This is completely stupid policy. Even top teams skated at Challengers, some even at two! I don't get it, I really don't. Prepare for your Nationals as long as you want, because soon it will be the only competition where you can get on the podium.

Edit: Tarasova/Morozov missed GPF, they're on the edge of missing National team for Euros, and where do you think they are? At Zagreb! And Nationals in Pairs will not be any easier than in Ica Dance. Same for Tuktamysheva, and even Sotnikova. But no, dance teams are smarter than that, right?

Edit #2: I'm sorry for my hysterical post. I guess I'm not just in a good mood tonight :giveup:

It's not hysteria when you are 117% right. You would think with so much on the line this year for FIVE teams, they would want to get experience, points, reputation, everything you mentioned.

Not smart.

But this is a kickin' lineup, even with the withdrawls. I hope there is a live link because I want to see how the top three teams shake out (and you dance fans know who they are).

Ooh, zombie hiphop. I have to find a vid link to that. I just started watching the juniors this year and boy I'm sorry I waited so long. SO worth watching.

ETA: I could only find one copy of it, and the sound is abysmal. But fun program!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj1aXkNixkY

Mrs. P · Dec 1, 2015

WeakAnkles said:
Ooh, zombie hiphop. I have to find a vid link to that. I just started watching the juniors this year and boy I'm sorry I waited so long. SO worth watching.

Cause I care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj1aXkNixkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82qtei69fLg

Tastetherainbow · Dec 1, 2015

Snow63 said:
I don't get Russian teams. Like, seriously. What are they waiting for?

Please please please tell this to the Chinese federation. Their skaters, especially the lesser known ones, need more competitions and more exposure, but for some reason the Chinese federation refuses to do Senior B's (unless it's for minimums like for Wang/Liu). Han Yan, Zijun, Song Nan, W/W, numerous Chinese ladies and dance teams... they ALL need some more international competitions. I was hoping with winning the right to host the 2022 Olympics Team China might step up their game, but so far it seems like they actually regressed...

dorispulaski · Dec 1, 2015

Asian Open needs to be a Challengers Series Event!

WeakAnkles · Dec 1, 2015

Mrs. P said:
Cause I care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj1aXkNixkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82qtei69fLg

Awwwwwwwwww....

:thank:

They're much better quality than the link I found. Mercy buckets!

adelia · Dec 1, 2015

Snow63 said:
I don't get Russian teams. Like, seriously. What are they waiting for? Where are Stepanova/Bukin, Monko/Khaliavin, Sinitsina/Katsalapov, Yanovskaya/Mozgov? What the hell? No one needs reputation? Rating points? Competition practice? Money? Anything?? From all the teams only Ilinykh/Zhiganshin skated at B event this season, at home!
They're sitting on their butts and then, surprise, the programms are raw and unpolished, the levels and GOEs are low, and they need to skate in last warm-up groups, because they don't have rating points! This is completely stupid policy. Even top teams skated at Challengers, some even at two! I don't get it, I really don't. Prepare for your Nationals as long as you want, because soon it will be the only competition where you can get on the podium.

Edit: Tarasova/Morozov missed GPF, they're on the edge of missing National team for Euros, and where do you think they are? At Zagreb! And Nationals in Pairs will not be any easier than in Ica Dance. Same for Tuktamysheva, and even Sotnikova. But no, dance teams are smarter than that, right?

Edit #2: I'm sorry for my hysterical post. I guess I'm not just in a good mood tonight :giveup:

To answer your question, Stepanova's health is not great, she was sick at NHK. Bukin was sick during Finlandia, that's why they skipped it. Monko has a hamstring injury, S/K train too far away, it makes no sense to take a long flight to Europe for a senior B with Nationals only 3 weeks away. Nikita had a recurring injury in the summer. And an unconfirmed rumour is that Anna has some sort of injury.

Snow63 · Dec 1, 2015

adelia said:
To answer your question, Stepanova's health is not great, she was sick at NHK. Bukin was sick during Finlandia, that's why they skipped it. Monko has a hamstring injury, S/K train too far away, it makes no sense to take a long flight to Europe for a senior B with Nationals only 3 weeks away. Nikita had a recurring injury in the summer. And an unconfirmed rumour is that Anna has some sort of injury.

Okay, I get that. They're injured and/or sick during the whole season? I wasn't talking about Golden Spin only. There were Nebelhorn, Nepela, Finlandia and all the other events. I don't think so. Monko was perfectly healthy until NHK, Bukin skipped Finlandia but skated at Russian Cup around the same date (even a couple days BEFORE), Sinitsina and Nikita are healthy, Ilinykh/Zhiganshin too.

adelia · Dec 1, 2015

Snow63 said:
Okay, I get that. They're injured and/or sick during the whole season? I wasn't talking about Golden Spin only. There were Nebelhorn, Nepela, Finlandia and all the other events. I don't think so. Monko was perfectly healthy until NHK, Bukin skipped Finlandia but skated at Russian Cup around the same date (even a couple days BEFORE), Sinitsina and Nikita are healthy, Ilinykh/Zhiganshin too.

You have your time frames mixed up. Finlandia was 8th October. Bukin, like I said, was sick. After he recovered they went to the Russian Cup event on 27th Oct. It's not "around the same date".
Nikita stress fracture issue, not allowed to train lifts until 2 weeks before Skate America. So Nebelhorn, Nepela, Finlandia were all out of the question.
Monko injured herself before CoR, she skated through the pain for the SD but fell during FD practice.

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