2015 Golden Spin of Zagreb Ice Dance
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Well, they were clearly the best, let's put it that way.
I have a suspicion that their skating is the kind that you need to see in person to fully appreciate. They do seem to get consistently very high scores at these B comps.
Kaitlyn & Jean-Luc looked fine but tentative. A little bit surprised at the low score, but then again not really.
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Yeah K&JL are having a rough yearI am sure they hoped to be able to build on last year but unfortunately it's not really happening.
Let's hope this is just an off-year that they need to get out of their systems to come back even stronger next season
Now I remember why I paid for this: Fields & Stevens are skating in the pairs event!!!
Wow, 68 for G/F...ok... were they that good? or is it a crazy score?
HB a 58.76, figures. That SD is not their strongest. I assume they haven't changed it up. I hope for a good score on the FD. They scored a 94 for it at SA, so... I hope for at least that for them.
I'm not sure. I did not purchase the live stream. Dailymotion gives you about 4 sec preview before asking you to make the purchase, my preview happens to be the page that they had the results of the SP....
Are you serious or sarcastic? I can't say with this link
She was at Mordovian Ornament too, by the way.
Dirty Dancing is next!!!!! LMAO
I don't debate that they're good in person, but that score is just insane. Basically, since it's a challenge event, this slots Guinard and Fabberi in No. 4 slot in the season's best rankings, above the Shibutanis and only behind Chock and Bates, Ilnykh/Zhiganshin and Weaver/Poje. They haven't scored anywhere near that during the GP. I think they're probably a good candidate to top the bottom half of the top 10, but their senior B scores gives the impression that they are in the top 6, which obviously isn't the case since they not in the GPF and aren't even an alternate. In fact they're 11th in the Grand Prix standings.
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I just don't get why their Senior B scores are higher than the ones they earned on the GP.
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Unless you're the Shibutanis,
Their scores on the GP are actually much higher, lol. Though yes, they are doing much better there.Unless you're the Shibutanis,
Aw, yeah. Their levels were completely tragic at ONT.
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Oh I agree with you completely; I have never understood why and how they get the scores that they do.
According to the detail results, Guinard and Fabberi earned 36 TES the Short Dance. That's the highest TES of the entire dance field by two points! That's also compared to 29 TES at Rostelecom Cup and 30.40 at Skate Canada. Also 34.36 at Warsaw Cup, which was last week.
Also looking at the technical panel:
Technical Controller Ms. Michela CESARO ITA
Technical Specialist Mr. Tomas KIKA SVK
Assistant Technical Specialist Mr. Sergei BARANOV UKR
Yeah, no conflict at all here.
That's also compared to 29 TES at Rostelecom Cup and 30.40 at Skate Canada. Also 34.36 at Warsaw Cup, which was last week. Also looking at the technical panel:
Technical Controller Ms. Michela CESARO ITA
Technical Specialist Mr. Tomas KIKA SVK
Assistant Technical Specialist Mr. Sergei BARANOV UKR
Yeah, no conflict at all here.
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Yay! I'm actually ALL IN for that 
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Also looking at the technical panel:
Technical Controller Ms. Michela CESARO ITA
Technical Specialist Mr. Tomas KIKA SVK
Assistant Technical Specialist Mr. Sergei BARANOV UKR
Yeah, no conflict at all here.[/QUOTE]
Having seen video of both programs, I am afraid you may be on to something Mrs P. Granted, the quality of the videos was not great, and I might have missed something, but their scores smell suspiciously cooked. If this had been a more high-profile event, the skating internet would be exploding by now.
Also looking at the technical panel:
Technical Controller Ms. Michela CESARO ITA
Technical Specialist Mr. Tomas KIKA SVK
Assistant Technical Specialist Mr. Sergei BARANOV UKR
Yeah, no conflict at all here.
[/QUOTE]Having seen video of both programs, I am afraid you may be on to something Mrs P. Granted, the quality of the videos was not great, and I might have missed something, but their scores smell suspiciously cooked. If this had been a more high-profile event, the skating internet would be exploding by now.
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I think Hawayek and Baker skated pretty well in the SP. I'm surprised their scores weren't a bit higher. I looked at the protocols and didn't notice any big hits on levels, and so forth. They got 4 of the 6 RW keypoints. Judge #5 lowballed them in PCS, I think.
In addition to their high PCS, G/F got level 4 on both RW sections and Ys on all keypoints. Are they usually this strong on the pattern dance?
In addition to their high PCS, G/F got level 4 on both RW sections and Ys on all keypoints. Are they usually this strong on the pattern dance?
They had 67.44 in their SD just recently at the Warsaw Cup with a 3 and a 4 on the waltz. Really the score isn't much different so I don't think we can blame it on this particular technical controller. Rather on the fact that scoring is different in different events. (IMO, ranking athletes in different competitions based on scores is clearly a flawed system for exactly this reason). Also, as has been mentioned, dance scores have been higher this season in at least three of the Challenger events (these final two & Mordovian Ornament). A good reason never to make assumptions of ranking based on scores.
G&F are climbing the ranks this season and highly likely to finish top ten at Worlds. They passed team #8 from last year's Worlds, Monko & Khaliavin, in both GP competitions this season as well as defeating Paul & Islam and the Danes. So even though B&S have come in ahead of them, S&K have passed them, and Hubbell & Donahue look to have the possibility of climbing the ranks ahead of them (though this would be an interesting head-to-head), G&F will benefit from one fewer Russian team at Worlds. Are G&F likely to score 68 in a crowded field of top competitors? No. Not unless the scores really start to skyrocket in the Championship events. G&F's GP scores have been around 61, if I recall correctly. Are G&F likely to defeat everyone in the Golden Spin dance field? Yes. I'd say there's no question.
Doing the math . . .
Six teams in the GPF. (Most of these teams defeated G&F already. H&D being the possible question mark), P&C if they come back, Probably S&K (or whoever grabs Russia's second spot). Probably G&P. That would put G&F tenth. They may have a crack at H&D and G&P. (I wouldn't predict this in North America). Or, as we saw at CoR, a Russian team with an implosion.
Tobias & Tkachenko are a real wildcard team. Not sure where they will slide in, but I'd guess behind G&F. Coomes & Buckland haven't gone head to head with either of these teams so they also could make a run. I'm thinking neither of these teams will catch G&F, but we'll find out at Europeans.
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