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2016 JGP Ljubljana Cup Ladies SP

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21 - 24 Sep 2016
Ljubljana Slovenia

Thursday, September 22, 2016, at 14:15 UTC +2

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Entries

No.NameNation
1Florencia LIN
SP La vida es un carneval, Besame Mucho
LP Korean Folk Music Selection
ARG
2Alisa STOMAKHINA
SP Sinnerman by Nina Simone; choreo by Alexei Vasilievski
LP A Narnia Lullaby by Harry Gregson-Williams, Cirque du Soleil; choreo by Alexei Vasilievski
AUT
3Alexandra FEIGIN
SP I Can't Help Falling in Love With You by Elvis Presley, Long Tall Sally by Little Richard
LP Tango: "Una Musica Brutal" by Gotan Project and "Yo soy Maria" by Milva
BUL
4Sarah TAMURA
SP Asturias by Isaac Albeniz performed by William Joseph, feat. Jesse Cook; choreo by Shae-Lynn Bourne, Joanne McLeod, Megan Wing
LP The Firebird by Igor Stravinski; choreo by Shae-Lynn Bourne, Joanne McLeod, Megan Wing
CAN
5Haley YAO
SP "Chopin" by Edvin Marton; choreo by Olga Orlova
LP choreo by Olga Orlova
TPE
6Hana CVIJANOVIC
SP He Sleeps by James Newton Howard, Pretty Woman (soundtrack) by Ray Orbison; choreo by Marina Gromova, Arkadi Belenko, L. Magri
LP Flamenica y Gitana by Bruno Ribera; choreo by Marina Gromova, Arkadi Belenko, L. Magri
CRO
7Daniella Vanessa IPSARIDOU
SP The Most Dangerous by Alex Garnizov; choreo by Sandra Garde
LP Standing The Storm by William Joseph; choreo by Sandra Garde
CYP
8Michaela-Lucie HANZLIKOVA
SP Hip Hip, Chin Chin by Club des Belugas; choreo by Monika Skornickova
LP O Fortuna (from "Carmina Burana") by Carl Orff; choreo by Monika Skornickova
CZE
9Josephine KAERSGAARD
SP Pharao Ramses II by Derek Fieehter; choreo by Igor Tsion
LP Sonata Musim Salju by Mazami; choreo by Igor Tsion
DEN
10Liubov EFIMENKO
SP Libertango performed by The Swingle Singers; choreo by Michael Huth
LP And the Waltz Goes On by Anthony Hopkins; choreo by Michael Huth
FIN
11Lea Johanna DASTICH
SP Lilies of the Valley (from "Pina" soundtrack) by Jun Miyake, Thom Hanreich, Pina (from "Pina" soundtrack) by Jun Miyake, Thom Hanreich, Shake It (from "Pina" soundtrack) by Jun Miyake, Thom Hanreich; choreo by Oleg Ryzhkin, Elizaveta Kokic
LP Westside Story by Leonard Bernstein; choreo by Oleg Ryzhkin, Elizaveta Kokic
GER
12Anna LITVINENKO
SP The Penguins of Madagascar by Lorne Balfe; choreo by Veronika Bogomolova, Katie Bennett
LP Tango de los Exilados by Walter Taieb, performed by Vanessa Mae; choreo by Veronika Bogomolova, Katie Bennett
GBR
13Joyce Selina CHAN
SP Canon in D major by Pachebel; choreo by Wang Feng
LP Writing on the Wall by Sam Smith; choreo by Wang Feng
HKG
14Daria JAKAB
SP Van Loc by Pierre Porte; choreo by Ilka Magyar
LP Interview with the Vampire (soundtrack) by Elliot Goldenthal; choreo by Ilka Magyar
HUN
15Lucrezia GENNARO
SP "Guarda che luna," by Emma
LP
ITA
16Marin HONDA
SP "Smile;" choreo Marina Zueva
LP "Romeo and Juliet;" choreo Jeffrey Buttle
JPN
17Rika KIHIRA
SP Tzigane by Joseph-Maurice Ravel; choreo by Jeffrey Buttle (SP)
LP Rhapsody in Blue by George Gershwin; choreo by Tom Dickson (FS)
JPN
18Zhansaya ADYKHANOVA
SP Romeo and Juliet (soundtrack) by Gerard Presgurvic; choreo by Natalia Popova
LP Ladies in Lavender (soundtrack) by Nigel John Hess; choreo by Natalia Popova
KAZ
19Gulzhan ZHUMADILOVA
SP Dangerous by David Guetta
LP.Diana by Michael Jackson, Billy Jean by Michael Jackson
KAZ
20Elizabete JUBKANE
SP Ivan, Boris & Moi by Marie Laforet, Sous le ciel de Paris by Ivan Lesnoy, Alexandra Sirkaspeva, Pardonne-moi ce caprice d'enfant by Rayana Astanbekova; choreo by Natalija Lipska
LP Amour eternel by Yves Montand; choreo by Natalija Lipska
LAT
21Juni Marie BENJAMINSEN
SPThe St. Louis Blues by W.C. Handy; choreo by Olga Mudrak
LP Suite from "The Milagro Beanfield War" by Dave Grusin; choreo by Olga Mudrak
NOR
22Eunsoo LIM
SP Besame Mucho; choreo by Yea Ji Shin, Alex Chang
LP Miss Saigon by Claude-Michel Schoenberg; choreo by Yea Ji Shin, Alex Chang
KOR
23Alisa LOZKO
SP Anna Pavlova (soundtrack); choreo by Irina Manuilova
LP Milord by Edith Piaf; choreo by Irina Manuilova
RUS
24Alina ZAGITOVA
SP Sheherazade by Nikolai Rimski-Korsakov; choreo by Eteri Tutberidze, Daniil Gleikhengauz
LP Don Quixote by Leon Minkus; choreo by Eteri Tutberidze, Daniil Gleikhengauz
RUS
25Leona ROGIC
SP Batman Evolution (soundtrack) by Danny Elfman, Hans Zimmer; choreo by Milica Stankovic
LP El Tango de Roxanne (from "Moulin Rouge" soundtrack); choreo by Milica Stankovic
SRB
26Xin Yi LOKE
SP Don't You Worry Child by John Martin, performed by The Piano Guys; choreo by Song Gao
LP The Village Inn by Henry Mancini; choreo by Song Gao
SIN
27Bronislava DOBIASOVA
SP "Hurt" by Christina Aguilera
LP Overture to Die Fledermaus
SVK
28Lara GUCEK
SP Hallelujah performed by Susan Boyle; choreo by Gyorgy Gyulai, Dasa Grm
LP The Business of Love by Domino, Perry Manson Theme by The Blues Brothers, Do You Love Me by The Blues Brothers; choreo by Gyorgy Gyulai, Dasa Grm
SLO
29Nina POLSAK
SP Limelight (soundtrack) by Charlie Chaplin; choreo by Gyorgyi Gyulai
LP Singin' in the Rain, Good Morning (from "Singin' in the Rain"); choreo by Gyorgyi Gyulai
SLO
30Marusa UDRIH
SP Waltz by Evgeni Doga; choreo by Irina Stavrovskaia
LP Nocturne by Ennio Morricone, Nero by Two Steps from Hell; choreo by Irina Stavrovskaia
SLO
31Matilda ALGOTSSON
SP "Hanging Tree," featuring Jennifer Lawrence from the Hunger Games soundtrack,Mockingjay Part 1, by James Newton Howard and Jennifer Lawrence
LP
SWE
32Shaline RÜEGGER
SP Rise Like A Phoenix by Zuchowski, Maas, Grubert; choreo by Cornelia Leroy, Karine Arribert
LP I Have a Dream (from "Tristan and Iseult") by Maxime Rodriguez; choreo by Cornelia Leroy, Karine Arribert
SUI
33Natalie SANGKAGALO
SP Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen
LP Red Cliff by Taro Iwashiro
THA
34Anastasia GOZHVA
SP Cha Cha Cha, Latin Medley; choreo by Irina Chubarets
LP Cats by Andrew Lloyd Webber; choreo by Irina Chubarets
UKR
35Ashley LIN
SP Memory (from "Cats") by Andrew Lloyd Webber; choreo by Ania Artemeva
LP Sandstorm by La Bionda; choreo by Ania Artemeva
USA
 
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sabinfire

Doing the needful
Record Breaker
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Nov 30, 2014
Is Japan still sending both Honda & Kihira to this event?? :roll5:
 

bosskil

Match Penalty
Joined
Aug 17, 2016
They are both still listed under entries. Seems so unwise. I guess they are really banking on both of them beating Zagitova...:no:
Thing is, even that doesn't ensure they both advance to JGPF - one of them with 26 points (2nd +2nd) will be at Russians' mercy in last two events.
It also doesn't hurt Zagitova's chances, who'll still get there with 1st+3rd.

Not spreading Honda and Kihira is strategically nonsensical. :disapp:
 
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gsyzf

Medalist
Joined
Jan 15, 2015
Is Japan still sending both Honda & Kihira to this event?? :roll5:
I just checked the JGP assignments. I noticed that

1. JSF sends Marin and Rika to this events. They both got silver in their first JGP.
2. JSF sends Rin and Mako to JGP Estonia. They both got bronze in their first JGP.
3. JSF sends Yuna S and Yuna A to JGP Germany. They both got 4th in their first JGP.

My guess is JSF wants to give their girls equal opportunities to qualify for JGPF, so girls with the same placements in the 1st JGP are sent to the same 2nd JGP events. If Marin or Rika is switched to an easier JGP, she would be seen as receiving favoritism and it would be unfair to the other girls.
 
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kalee

On the Ice
Joined
Nov 13, 2014
That makes total sense! Because Mako was switched to JGP6 (Tallinn) with Rin (from JGP7 with YunaS.) after she came in 3rd at Yokohama.
 

bosskil

Match Penalty
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Aug 17, 2016
OK, I see the pattern, but is fighting for GP spot against the best, really an "equal opportunity" to fighting for GP spot against the fourth best? ;)
I'd say... not really? :scratch2:

I'd rather call it a levelling up or pulling up weaker competitors.
 

gsyzf

Medalist
Joined
Jan 15, 2015
OK, I see the pattern, but is fighting for GP spot against the best, really an "equal opportunity" to fighting for GP spot against the fourth best? ;)
I'd say... not really? :scratch2:

I'd rather call it a levelling up or pulling up weaker competitors.

If Marin and Rika compete in the same event, they get equal opportunities to qualify for the final. If you separate them, which girl would you send to Slovenia, Estonia or Germany, so you will not been as favoring one of them? E.g. if Anastasia Gubanova is seen as a weaker competitor than Polina and Alina, then whoever is sent to Germany will get a big advantage in qualifying for the final.
 
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sabinfire

Doing the needful
Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 30, 2014
If Marin and Rika compete in the same event, they get equal opportunities to qualify for the final. If you separate them, which girl would you send to Slovenia, Estonia or Germany, so you will not been as favoring one of them? E.g. if Anastasia Gubanova is seen as a weaker competitor than Polina and Alina, then whoever is sent to Germany will get a big advantage in qualifying for the final.

They need to finish at least 2nd or higher. So, I would send Kihira to Germany and leave Honda here. But, whoever is sent where doesn't matter so much as splitting these two skaters up, as they are statistically the only two Japanese skaters left with a good chance of qualifying with a high placement.
 

gsyzf

Medalist
Joined
Jan 15, 2015
They need to finish at least 2nd or higher. So, I would send Kihira to Germany and leave Honda here. But, whoever is sent where doesn't matter so much as splitting these two skaters up, as they are statistically the only two Japanese skaters left with a good chance of qualifying with a high placement.

Then it means Kihira is assigned to an easier field and she has a better chance to qualify for JGPF because it's easier for her to beat Gubanova than to beat Zagitova (and she almost beat Gubanova in the first JGP). It's harder for Honda to qualify for JGPF. So Kihira and Honda are not given equal opportunities. If Kihira is sent to Germany and ends up qualifying for JGPF because her rivals are weaker and Honda fails to qualify because she is sent to a tougher event, how would you deal with the outcry?
 

sabinfire

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Record Breaker
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Then it means Kihira is assigned to an easier field and she has a better chance to qualify for JGPF because it's easier for her to beat Gubanova than to beat Zagitova (and she almost beat Gubanova in the first JGP). It's harder for Honda to qualify for JGPF. So Kihira and Honda are not given equal opportunities. If Kihira is sent to Germany and ends up qualifying for JGPF because her rivals are weaker and Honda fails to qualify because she is sent to a tougher event, how would you deal with the outcry?

Well, I have no stake in this... so if this is seen as fair to all, I'm 100% fine with this as is, and prefer it this way in fact! Good luck to all! :agree:
 

gsyzf

Medalist
Joined
Jan 15, 2015
Well, I have no stake in this... so if this is seen as fair to all, I'm 100% fine with this as is, and prefer it this way in fact! Good luck to all! :agree:

That's my guess of JSF's logic. (I have no stake in this either.) I can understand why they decided to do it this way. This might be their best option considering everything they have to deal with.
 

bosskil

Match Penalty
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Aug 17, 2016
If Marin and Rika compete in the same event, they get equal opportunities to qualify for the final.
They get equal opportunities against each other, but not against the other Japanese girls, who will compete against weaker compatriots.

If you separate them, which girl would you send to Slovenia, Estonia or Germany, so you will not been as favoring one of them?
It doesn't matter which one of them, since it still would give her a chance to win and qualify - the chance one of them is being neglected of right now (they can't both win).

The pattern you revealed is a knock-out system of acumulating WINS: girls competing on increasing levels for the main prize and overall placement - losers of each rounds compete against themselves for lower places, winners vs winners for the higher places and the potential victory.
The problem is, JGP is playoffs league system of acumulating POINTS: girls competing on non-increasing levels for 6 play-off spots and there are no losers per se, just skaters with more or less points, who still chance to win it all (advance to play-offs).
By rearranging the assignments after "first round" of JGP league system, using KO system, JSF is distorting the outcomes, by punishing the skaters with more points, like Honda and Kihira and rewarding skaters with less points.

It's a bit like granting a player that was knocked out in QF a late chance to play in the final match. Not fair imho.
 
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zebobes

Final Flight
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Mar 29, 2012
Or maybe, their coach preferred having her two students go to the same JGP so it could save her from unneeded travelling?
 

bosskil

Match Penalty
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Aug 17, 2016
Or maybe, their coach preferred having her two students go to the same JGP so it could save her from unneeded travelling?
Plus the coaches have to prepare and oversee Satoko in Japan Open on 1st Oct, which is colliding with last two JGP events.
 

Crossover

All Hail the Queen
Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 31, 2014
Or maybe, their coach preferred having her two students go to the same JGP so it could save her from unneeded travelling?

Maybe...but she can send another coaching staff for her girls in the meantime the coach is obligated to prepare for Japan Open. I still am not convinced with the strategy to send both girls to one event.
 

YesWay

四年もかけて&#
Record Breaker
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Sep 28, 2013
I just checked the JGP assignments. I noticed that

1. JSF sends Marin and Rika to this events. They both got silver in their first JGP.
2. JSF sends Rin and Mako to JGP Estonia. They both got bronze in their first JGP.
3. JSF sends Yuna S and Yuna A to JGP Germany. They both got 4th in their first JGP.

My guess is JSF wants to give their girls equal opportunities to qualify for JGPF, so girls with the same placements in the 1st JGP are sent to the same 2nd JGP events. If Marin or Rika is switched to an easier JGP, she would be seen as receiving favoritism and it would be unfair to the other girls.
Unless they introduced this "fair" scheme for assignments just this year... isn't that just coincidence? Only, last year:

-Marin and Wakaba were at JGP Croatia for their 2nd assignments - after Marin got silver in Colorado Springs, and Wakaba came 5th in Austria.

-Sakamoto and Nitaya were both at Torun JGP for their 2nd assignments - after Kaori got a silver in Riga, and Rin got 4th in Bratislava.

I expect there are more examples...
 
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gsyzf

Medalist
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Jan 15, 2015
Unless they introduced this "fair" scheme for assignments just this year... isn't that just coincidence? Only, last year:

-Marin and Wakaba were at JGP Croatia for their 2nd assignments - after Marin got silver in Colorado Springs, and Wakaba came 5th in Austria.

-Sakamoto and Nitaya were both at Torun JGP for their 2nd assignments - after Kaori got a silver in Riga, and Rin got 4th in Bratislava.

I expect there are more examples...

Everything is possible in theory. But not everything is probable with the same probability in practice. It's possible it's just a coincidence, but the probability of two silver medalists competing in the same event, two bronze medalists competing in the same event and two 4th place finishers competing in the same event all happen by coincidence is too low (close to 0 if you calculate the mathematical probability). Strategically it is not a good idea to send both silver medalists to the same competition if they want their girls to qualify for JGPF. So both silver medalists competing in the same event by coincidence is even more unlikely, especially when JSF is the one that determines the assignments. JSF's strategy and assignment allocation may change each year based on the competitiveness of their rivals and placements of their girls. Last year, there weren't many Japanese girls with the same placements like this year and the Russian junior girls competing in JGP last year are weaker than this year too. (Last year, Japanese girls at least won some JGP without home ice advantage. But this year, other than the JGP in Japan, the rest of the JGP are all won by Russian girls.) So their strategy this year may just be different because the rivals they face this year are different and the placements of their girls in the first JGP are different from last year.
 
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gsyzf

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Or maybe, their coach preferred having her two students go to the same JGP so it could save her from unneeded travelling?

Yuna S is assigned to the last JGP in Germany and she shares the same coaching team as Marin and Rika. It makes no difference to the coaching team whether Marin and Rika go to Slovenia together or Marin and Yuna S go to Germany together because someone from the coaching team will need to go to these two competitions.
 
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