2017 Worlds Dance pre-event thread

Astrid56 · Mar 22, 2017

gmyers said:
You should call it the lyrical block! Eastern block brings to mind benefit to Russia in historical skating judging terms and they are not benefiting at all. If people here eastern block how do you not think of Russia? These judges are Establishing extreme North American domination.

Lyrical block? As regards North American Domination, if the Russians are doing well in this style - not replicating their stale choreographic style, they would have remained popular with this block. Now we see Dubreuil/Lauzon choreographic style dominating the scene ... How long will this last? Maybe until it becomes nauseatingly boring? Anyway, I do love G/P's - the program suits the music and the theme. P/C though wonderfully performed pretends to have a theme ... ditto with the Shibs. Why not just admit they're more into making beautiful shapes ... forms - strings of strategically placed movements and forms to symphonic music _ plotless or abstract.

Astrid56 · Mar 22, 2017

Ice Dance said:
And a path that led to the success of Maia & Alex Shibutani:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ONEuW7RxE

Quite some time before it led to success for P&C. I'm not sure what we will see from the Shibs next season. They are demonstrating that they can perform this style now.

The Shibs followed a thoughtfully orchestrated strategy. P/C's by a stroke of luck. By changing coaches, they found a style that perfectly suited their skating thus their phenomenal rise from 13th in the World to #1 (2015 World Championship).

Barb · Mar 22, 2017

Astrid56 said:
The Shibs followed a thoughtfully orchestrated strategy. P/C's by a stroke of luck. By changing coaches, they found a style that perfectly suited their skating thus their phenomenal rise from 13th in the World to #1 (2015 World Championship).

If C/B would wanted follow the top teams strategy and to skate lyrical, I think that judges would be treating them worse than with their current program because they would be compared to the other top teams who can to skate lyrical, for C/B that is not their style. I don´t think they are trying be original, they had not option, they followed a thoughtfully orchestrated strategy and tried it at 2015-2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koKcQPt1i7Q, just after seeing to P/C, so, I would to say C/B were the first team trying ¨copy ¨the style of P/C, but it did not work, the next logical step was to get away from that style, their current FD was the best that they could to get to try win, it is simply their style.

Sackie · Mar 22, 2017

Is it possible that V/M might end up like W/P the last 2 years. Winning everything leading up to worlds and seem unbeatable only to end up getting dropped at worlds. I know that most will say it is not possible but so did a lot of people feel it was not possible for W/P to finish out of the medals last year!

SnowWhite · Mar 22, 2017

Sackie said:
Is it possible that V/M might end up like W/P the last 2 years. Winning everything leading up to worlds and seem unbeatable only to end up getting dropped at worlds. I know that most will say it is not possible but so did a lot of people feel it was not possible for W/P to finish out of the medals last year!

Last year at Worlds, W/P finished behind P/C, S/S, C/B, and C/L. W/P finished 3rd at 4CC, behind S/S and C/B. C/L and P/C had higher scores at Euros than W/P had at 4CC. Worlds was the 1st time W/P had competed against P/C, the defending World Champions. Going into Worlds, P/C had a Euros score of 189.67. W/P had 3 events with scores of 173. something and GPF with a 182.66. C/B had scores from 169.16 to 177.55, with 3/4 in the 173+ range. S/S had scores from 168.36 to 181.62, with all but the 1st GP 174+. C/L had scores from 171.61 to 178.01, 2/4 176+. Worlds was definitely a disappointment for W/P and they could have done much better, but two of the teams they lost to they had already lost to at 4CC and a third they hadn't competed against who happened to be the defending champs. So the only really surprising would be C/L.

On the other hand, V/M have competed against all of their top rivals this season and won every time. They've beaten P/C and S/S twice each; P/C by 9+ and 4+ points and S/S by 7+ and 5+ points. Now of course that doesn't mean they are guaranteed to win Worlds and P/C especially have made mistakes when they've faced them, contributing to the gap in points. And as much as I love W/P, they aren't at V/M's level IMO. If V/M skate well, they'll be on the podium. If they skate their best, they'll likely win.

There is absolutely no reason to worry about V/M getting "dropped" or whatever. I think that more than almost any other team, they control their own fate.

Anyasnake · Mar 22, 2017

Very Important question here guys : where are the judges, the TC, the TS, and the ATS from, please ?

Hoping to see a nice battle in Ice Dance and may the best wins !
We are so unlucky to be ID fans honestly, it is too much of an emotional rollercoaster

Astrid56 · Mar 22, 2017

chapis said:
If C/B would wanted follow the top teams strategy and to skate lyrical, I think that judges would be treating them worse than with their current program because they would be compared to the other top teams who can to skate lyrical, for C/B that is not their style. I don´t think they are trying be original, they had not option, they followed a thoughtfully orchestrated strategy and tried it at 2015-2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koKcQPt1i7Q, just after seeing to P/C, so, I would to say C/B were the first team trying ¨copy ¨the style of P/C, but it did not work, the next logical step was to get away from that style, their current FD was the best that they could to get to try win, it is simply their style.

C/B's FDs for seasons 2011-12 through 2015-16 were all lyrical-classical programs and they did very well (won Silver in 2014-15 and Bronze in 2015-16 in Worlds). The Shibs were the first to mimic P/C's style. C/B never copied any other teams' style. In 2015-16, they struggled with their programs_ changed their SD 3 times, and redid the choreography for their FD (Rachmaninoff) at least 4 times. The Rachmaninoff piece was difficult to skate to. The only dance team who had used it was the Lithuanian Dance team (Season 2012-13_competed in Golden Spin and World Championship).

Barb · Mar 22, 2017

Astrid56 said:
C/B's FDs for seasons 2011-12 through 2015-16 were all lyrical-classical programs and they did very well (won Silver in 2014-15 and Bronze in 2015-16 in Worlds). The Shibs were the first to mimic P/C's style. C/B never copied any other teams' style. In 2015-16, they struggled with their programs_ changed their SD 3 times, and redid the choreography for their FD (Rachmaninoff) at least 4 times. The Rachmaninoff piece was difficult to skate to. The only dance team who had used it was the Lithuanian Dance team (Season 2012-13_competed in Golden Spin and World Championship).

So you can´t see any similitude of the program and intention of C/B Rachmaninoff to Mozart of P/C, but the Shibs are copycat of P/C :rolleye:

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And no, C/B did not do very well, they lost to Shibs, and as you said it, they struggled all season with the program and many people complained about that program.

Astrid56 · Mar 22, 2017

chapis said:
So you can´t see any similitude of the program and intention of C/B Rachmaninoff to Mozart of P/C, but the Shibs are copycat of P/C .
And no, C/B did not do very well, they lost to Shibs, and as you said it, they struggled all season with the program and many people complained about that program.

Are we seeing the same program? How was their FD Rachmaninoff similar to P/C? Which program? Mozart?

Mozart and Rachmaninoff were two very different programs. Nope, no need to explain the differences. Oh yeah, although C/B lost to the Shibs in World [FD], they lost a mere .42 (barely a half point) and, in total was edged out by a 2.66. The Shibs performed 2 clean programs while C/B's SD not flawless thus the 2 points difference. Despite that, they managed to remain the #1 team (See link) http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsdance.htm

gmyers · Mar 22, 2017

Astrid56 said:
Lyrical block? As regards North American Domination, if the Russians are doing well in this style - not replicating their stale choreographic style, they would have remained popular with this block. Now we see Dubreuil/Lauzon choreographic style dominating the scene ... How long will this last? Maybe until it becomes nauseatingly boring? Anyway, I do love G/P's - the program suits the music and the theme. P/C though wonderfully performed pretends to have a theme ... ditto with the Shibs. Why not just admit they're more into making beautiful shapes ... forms - strings of strategically placed movements and forms to symphonic music _ plotless or abstract.

This is what I think. Just adopt the most popular style from the most popular coaches. If most judges hate Russian style why do it? Even if the style can't be called lyrical for all its al non Russian and it would be great if bobrova and soloviev did variations with f p/c or shibutani programs. Just the basic tone and feel not the the exac details and it doesn't matter if the dead Enders who like Russian style are offended

Barb · Mar 23, 2017

Astrid56 said:
Are we seeing the same program? How was their FD Rachmaninoff similar to P/C? Which program? Mozart? Mozart and Rachmaninoff were two very different programs. Nope, no need to explain the differences. Oh yeah, although C/B lost to the Shibs in World [FD], they lost a mere .42 (barely a half point) and, in total was edged out by a 2.66. The Shibs performed 2 clean programs while C/B's SD not flawless thus the 2 points difference. Despite that, they managed to remain the #1 team (See link) http://www.isuresults.com/ws/ws/wsdance.htm

Oh, yeah!!! I see it now, and as you say, no need to explain the differences. OMG!, I just hope it is not too late for C/B save the sport that the Shibs are killing :drama:

Astrid56 · Mar 23, 2017

chapis said:
Oh, yeah!!! I see it now, and as you say, no need to explain the differences. OMG!, I just hope it is not too late for C/B save the sport that the Shibs are killing

:sarcasm:

Right, we are seeing the same thing. Well, great for the Shibs who struggled for years to get to where they were in 2011_ 5 years. Hmmmn, C/B competed nationally in 2012 (teamed up in July 2011), and where are they now? :shocked:

VIETgrlTerifa · Mar 23, 2017

I think V/M are favorites for the gold here with P/C peaking and challenging V/M for it and may actually beat V/M. The Shibs, if they hit all of their levels and skate their FD like they did at 4CC or better, are in a good position to spoil. C/B, B/S, C/L, H/D, W/P, and G/P are all capable of medaling if they skate totally clean and on fire. To me, with the way almost every team hit it out of the park at last year's Worlds, I hope for the same thing at this Worlds. It should prove to be an incredible competition.

As for the final flight in the FD, I'd love to see the Shibs, P/C, V/M, C/B, and G/P. I prefer H/D to some of the teams I listed and I respect W/P's skills more than some of the teams I listed, and I enjoy C/L's Chaplin FD (though I don't think they perform the theme consistently), and I have a soft spot for B/S. But I think C/B's FD will be a nice change of tempo for the final group and G/P's tango is my favorite choreographed FD of the season. Of course, V/M is one of my favorite teams of all time, I'm in love with P/C's artistry, and the Shibs are my favorite currently competing team right now and I love their work this season.

Barb · Mar 23, 2017

Practice schedule http://www.isuresults.com/events/WC2017_MusicRotationAll.pdf

Monday 27th

France 09:30
Canada 10:40
USA 11:50
Italy 12:30
Russia 12:30

Ice Dance · Mar 23, 2017

Astrid56 said:
Hmmmn, C/B competed nationally in 2012 (teamed up in July 2011), and where are they now?

As of last year's Worlds, one spot above the team Evan & Emily were just behind in 2009. And one spot below the team that won Junior Nationals the year following Madison Chock, two years following Madison Hubbell, and three years following Evan Bates.

All the American dancers are extremely good & extremely competitive. They have been for a LONG time. Maia & Alex, Madison & Evan, and Madison & Zach will give each other a run for their money. And the rest of the World as well.

Andrea82 · Mar 27, 2017

Technical panel

Referee: Rolf Pipoh
Technical Controller:Ludmila Mikhailovskaya
Technical Specialist: Andrzej Dostatni
Assistant Technical Specialist: György Elek

Astrid56 · Mar 27, 2017

Very interesting Technical Panel

Referee: Mr. Rolf PIPOH _ German
Technical Controller: Ms. Ludmila MIKHAILOVSKAYA _ Ukrainian
Technical Specialist: Mr. Andrzej DOSTATNI _ Polish
Assistant Technical Specialist: Mr. György ELEK_ Hungarian
Data Operator: Mr. Lionel AVOT_ French
Replay Operator: Ms. Julia DEGENHARDT_ German

No American, Canadian, no Asian .. :shocked: :noshake:

Barb · Mar 28, 2017

Astrid56 said:
Very interesting Technical Panel

Referee: Mr. Rolf PIPOH _ German
Technical Controller: Ms. Ludmila MIKHAILOVSKAYA _ Ukrainian
Technical Specialist: Mr. Andrzej DOSTATNI _ Polish
Assistant Technical Specialist: Mr. György ELEK_ Hungarian
Data Operator: Mr. Lionel AVOT_ French
Replay Operator: Ms. Julia DEGENHARDT_ German

No American, Canadian, no Asian .. :shocked: :noshake:

yeah, very interesting

Escarbille · Mar 29, 2017

Don't be afraid, they're all speaking perfect Latin :yes2:

all that · Mar 29, 2017

I see the podium as

1. P/C
2. Shibs
3. V/M

P/C is going to come out and kill it because they are angry at being beaten and told that they can't handle SDs well. The improvements they've made, particularly to the SD, will put them ahead from the start. Shibs are also ready to win but the judges aren't ready yet to give them the gold. V/M will mess up the twizzles or something else and will fall to bronze.

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