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Thread: World Team Trophy: Predictions Game Rd. 6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antyv View Post
    Every user confirms on the goldenskate forum that he gave a prediction in the specified date and time.

    Yes, I think so. The last given prediction is taken into game.

    Only rows may be checked, that in each line one skater is specified. Columns can not be checked so, everyone can look at them, they are shorter than rows.

    These cases must be edited in spreadsheet for calculation (another file).

    You can change the rows and columns, but it's worse. Then several skaters can be a pointed for one place. This spreadsheet will look very bad.

    Another possible form is this, but I prefer the first one.
    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...5cxNw/viewform

    The spreadsheets are very large, there are a lot of records (more 1000).

    Automatic record in the spreadsheet is done only by lines, on only one sheet, in the first empty line. The only way. This table is for predictions only. For fully automatic calculations, you can use such tables. Copy data there easily.
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzL...Us2elJLckozU2M
    This is my game for some Russian FS forum (another system of points). One just need to enter the skaters at the top and everything is automatically calculated.
    Btw there are other survey forms. For example, this quick test is free: https://surveys.enalyzer.com/?pid=t3k2maig
    and probably the ranking allows better experience for users. It allows ranking, allows setting up the number of skaters to rank (which ive set to 6 above).
    Also, this plataform allows to download a spreadsheet with all responses.
    Last edited by moriel; 05-10-2017 at 08:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moriel View Post
    Btw there are other survey forms. For example, this quick test is free: https://surveys.enalyzer.com/?pid=t3k2maig
    and probably the ranking allows better experience for users. It allows ranking, allows setting up the number of skaters to rank (which ive set to 6 above).
    Also, this plataform allows to download a spreadsheet with all responses.
    Form is good. Where can I see table of the predictions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antyv View Post
    Form is good. Where can I see table of the predictions?
    Its actually only avaliable for the one who generated the form, i think. I uploaded to google myself: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    I think a form of those could work well for the predicion games here, because basically the format is really good to do the scores, and it offers rank questions, unlike google forms.
    (also its possible to add a question asking for username and so on).

    I suppose a forum confirmation would work well (people could ask the users to confirm imediately after doing the survey and check by timestamp).
    Last edited by moriel; 05-10-2017 at 12:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moriel View Post
    Its actually only avaliable for the one who generated the form, i think. I uploaded to google myself: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    I think a form of those could work well for the predicion games here, because basically the format is really good to do the scores, and it offers rank questions, unlike google forms.
    (also its possible to add a question asking for username and so on).

    I suppose a forum confirmation would work well (people could ask the users to confirm imediately after doing the survey and check by timestamp).
    Here I saw only one advantage, you can not place the skater in several positions.
    I need a form associated with the spreadsheet. The user, completing the prediction, should immediately see his prediction in the spreadsheet. In Google forms it's done. In these forms is there such possiblity? If there is such a link, then you can give access any user to the view.
    In addition, to give the prediction, registration with e-mail is required, not everyone will like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antyv View Post
    Here I saw only one advantage, you can not place the skater in several positions.
    I need a form associated with the spreadsheet. The user, completing the prediction, should immediately see his prediction in the spreadsheet. In Google forms it's done. In these forms is there such possiblity? If there is such a link, then you can give access any user to the view.
    In addition, to give the prediction, registration with e-mail is required, not everyone will like it.
    I´m suggesting this for to use for this forum's competitions, so it may not be perfect for your own uses, just in case.

    As for advantages, its also more user friendly than the google forms way. Also, it allows any number of inputs - so people could do, for example, more than 6 ranks if they wanted to (as i commonly see them doing on this forum threads)

    1. Registration with e-mail is not required. You can answer the survey without any registration or login. I´m 100% sure of this as i tried myself.
    2. This form is associated with a spreadsheet, which can be downloaded by admins.
    3. "The user, completing the prediction, should immediately see his prediction in the spreadsheet." I would never recommend any plataform that does this, as it is wrong on so many levels (just in case, I am a statistician, and creating surveys and collecting people's answers are part of my job). Answers can be shared once the survey is completed, using any plataform of admin's choice, such as good old googledocs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moriel View Post
    I´m suggesting this for to use for this forum's competitions, so it may not be perfect for your own uses, just in case.

    As for advantages, its also more user friendly than the google forms way. Also, it allows any number of inputs - so people could do, for example, more than 6 ranks if they wanted to (as i commonly see them doing on this forum threads)

    1. Registration with e-mail is not required. You can answer the survey without any registration or login. I´m 100% sure of this as i tried myself.
    2. This form is associated with a spreadsheet, which can be downloaded by admins.
    3. "The user, completing the prediction, should immediately see his prediction in the spreadsheet." I would never recommend any plataform that does this, as it is wrong on so many levels (just in case, I am a statistician, and creating surveys and collecting people's answers are part of my job). Answers can be shared once the survey is completed, using any plataform of admin's choice, such as good old googledocs.
    I use analoguos system to this site, only I use the ISU 10% step scale for points and tie-break (additional indicators for the same points). I see that the organizers of the predictions have problems, that's why I offer my help in preparing the forms. BTW, I'm still waiting for the results of the ladies in the WTT!

    I looked enalyzer.com. I have already noted one of its advantages. Other - great opportunities in registration in comparison with Google docs. Really, email is not requied. But this service lacks functionality. On goldenskate, users have the ability to see all the predictions and monitor them. This service does not provide such an opportunity, because there is no direct interactive connection with the spreadsheet. The user, filling out the prediction, can not see and control it. Or the administrator should regularly upload the current spreadsheet, which is tedious. The contest should be open and predictions should be visible to everyone. This is not a poll for the purposes of one person.

    In Google docs, you can make 40 and even much more ranks if necessary. The spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing is not suitable for analysis and calculation. Imagine that there will be 40 skaters. The spreadsheet I suggested were more convenient. I am described in detail the principles of the proposed system. I think if my help is needed, CaroLiza_fan will answer here. You can offer her your help. She can choose what suits her or do not need to change anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antyv View Post
    I use analoguos system to this site, only I use the ISU 10% step scale for points and tie-break (additional indicators for the same points). I see that the organizers of the predictions have problems, that's why I offer my help in preparing the forms. BTW, I'm still waiting for the results of the ladies in the WTT!

    I looked enalyzer.com. I have already noted one of its advantages. Other - great opportunities in registration in comparison with Google docs. Really, email is not requied. But this service lacks functionality. On goldenskate, users have the ability to see all the predictions and monitor them. This service does not provide such an opportunity, because there is no direct interactive connection with the spreadsheet. The user, filling out the prediction, can not see and control it. Or the administrator should regularly upload the current spreadsheet, which is tedious. The contest should be open and predictions should be visible to everyone. This is not a poll for the purposes of one person.

    In Google docs, you can make 40 and even much more ranks if necessary. The spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing is not suitable for analysis and calculation. Imagine that there will be 40 skaters. The spreadsheet I suggested were more convenient. I am described in detail the principles of the proposed system. I think if my help is needed, CaroLiza_fan will answer here. You can offer her your help. She can choose what suits her or do not need to change anything.
    well yeah i could do that, offer stands. Although i would not release the sheet to public until competition is finished.
    If users are willing to edit their votes, they can just answer it again and the last one will count.

    As for the sheet, I thought it was actually easier to calculate stuff because you could just do the difference ^^
    updated it with World points calcs out of curiosity: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    Honestly, my main beef against google forms style is that, when you have 30 skaters, it gets too horizontally wide, and you have to scroll through it. Because of this, it also doesnt allows to see all your checks on one screen, which is not user friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moriel View Post
    Honestly, my main beef against google forms style is that, when you have 30 skaters, it gets too horizontally wide, and you have to scroll through it. Because of this, it also doesnt allows to see all your checks on one screen, which is not user friendly.
    Early I gave a link to the form with vertical scrolling. Apparently, one can't do without scrolling. Does the enalyzer service allow to place answers in several columns?
    While I stop on this message, we have already moved to narrow issues that are not the profile of this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antyv View Post
    I use analoguos system to this site, only I use the ISU 10% step scale for points and tie-break (additional indicators for the same points). I see that the organizers of the predictions have problems, that's why I offer my help in preparing the forms. BTW, I'm still waiting for the results of the ladies in the WTT!

    I looked enalyzer.com. I have already noted one of its advantages. Other - great opportunities in registration in comparison with Google docs. Really, email is not requied. But this service lacks functionality. On goldenskate, users have the ability to see all the predictions and monitor them. This service does not provide such an opportunity, because there is no direct interactive connection with the spreadsheet. The user, filling out the prediction, can not see and control it. Or the administrator should regularly upload the current spreadsheet, which is tedious. The contest should be open and predictions should be visible to everyone. This is not a poll for the purposes of one person.

    In Google docs, you can make 40 and even much more ranks if necessary. The spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing is not suitable for analysis and calculation. Imagine that there will be 40 skaters. The spreadsheet I suggested were more convenient. I am described in detail the principles of the proposed system. I think if my help is needed, CaroLiza_fan will answer here. You can offer her your help. She can choose what suits her or do not need to change anything.
    Him. It's him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow63 View Post
    Him. It's him.
    Excuse me.
    You can offer him your help. He can choose what suits him or do not need to change anything.
    Last edited by Antyv; 05-11-2017 at 12:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antyv View Post
    Early I gave a link to the form with vertical scrolling. Apparently, one can't do without scrolling. Does the enalyzer service allow to place answers in several columns?
    While I stop on this message, we have already moved to narrow issues that are not the profile of this forum.
    Just a last message too, as we stole the thread indeed...
    The answers thing has to sheets, check the second one ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by moriel View Post
    Just a last message too, as we stole the thread indeed...
    The answers thing has to sheets, check the second one ^^
    I meant placing the options for choosing a skater in a test in several columns. This is the last question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antyv View Post
    I meant placing the options for choosing a skater in a test in several columns. This is the last question.
    oh... I dont know - maybe there is, but as i dont like this option, i didnt look for it. I wanted specifically a question type that would be a ranking question and would not do that (because else, its pointless to leave google forms hehe)

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