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2017-2018 State of Russian Ice Dance

coldblueeyes

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I saw them there. Loboda & Drozd now have 4 sets of twizzles and skated solidly at SC. .

They did skate solidly, but it wasn't memorable in the least. I said no one saw them because they didn't make any kind of stand in their first GP. They don't have the best material this season, which is what's hurting them. Then, their programs have been very average in the last seasons.
 

gmyers

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They did skate solidly, but it wasn't memorable in the least. I said no one saw them because they didn't make any kind of stand in their first GP. They don't have the best material this season, which is what's hurting them. Then, their programs have been very average in the last seasons.

They are choosing not to have good coaches
 

Nightcrawler

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I’m just saying without the extraordinary number of mistakes it would have been 8th and 10th. So if that placement repeats with two absences B/s would be 6th and s/b 8th so that still wouldn’t be enough. If more than three teams are absent maybe Russia would have a shot at 3 but what’s the point of Russia having 3? Russia having three means no necessary reforms are made. Even only two spots, no world medal, and no hope of ice dance medal has meant no reforms. That’s why I was so strongly hoping russia qualified only one team to the Olympics. That way I finally think teams with potential will be sent to dubreuil. Its so terrible seeing skaters and ice dance teams with potential be destroyed by kustarova zhulin svinan and zhuk and getting advice from program destroying no talent tarasova. It’s pretty hopeless now the idea that Russia only qualifies one team for 2019 which is so awful. It’d be nice to see the return of Russia to ice dance success!

To be fair, B&S also had an uncharacteristic mistake in the SD and if we really want to go there, why not remember that they were leading at Euros beating both P&C and C&L?

I agree that the situation is dire and I see no signs of improvement any time soon. I'm not really sure I can see medal potential in the foreseeable future either. S&B are a nice pair but nothing to write home about, S&K in their 4th season together look like a brand new partnership and L&D who have the most potential are first year seniors.
I don't expect any medals until after the next Olympic cycle.
 

gmyers

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To be fair, B&S also had an uncharacteristic mistake in the SD and if we really want to go there, why not remember that they were leading at Euros beating both P&C and C&L?

I agree that the situation is dire and I see no signs of improvement any time soon. I'm not really sure I can see medal potential in the foreseeable future either. S&B are a nice pair but nothing to write home about, S&K in their 4th season together look like a brand new partnership and L&D who have the most potential are first year seniors.
I don't expect any medals until after the next Olympic cycle.

C/l overtaking b/s with a huge twizzle mistake at 2017 euros said it all!

I don’t think the problem with getting world medals or gpf medals is one of waiting for teams to retire or Russian teams to mature. They must mature in the right IJS North American way. Teams of Russia could mature into a out of date Russian style like b/s did and not be a contender for a world or Olympic medal or even a gpf appearance. In order to get medals after the next Olympic style all the talents must be sent to North America or Russia must adopt all North American style of coaching and programs choreography.
 

Barb

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Someone knows why B/S´s NtDiSt got L2 in China? What did they do differently in China?
 

coldblueeyes

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Someone knows why B/S´s NtDiSt got L2 in China? What did they do differently in China?

They didn't do anything differently in China, the technical controller just didn't think they met the requirements, I guess. It looked fine to me - and to the technical specialist, who gave them a level 4 during the program. We'd have to ask Snow if they saw something that the panel might have deducted.

The call cost them silver and GPF.
 

gmyers

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Someone knows why B/S´s NtDiSt got L2 in China? What did they do differently in China?

Bobrova didn’t hit all the proper edges in her turns. It was a mess! She botched almost everything using the flat and not the edge.
 

Nightcrawler

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C/l overtaking b/s with a huge twizzle mistake at 2017 euros said it all!

I don’t think the problem with getting world medals or gpf medals is one of waiting for teams to retire or Russian teams to mature. They must mature in the right IJS North American way. Teams of Russia could mature into a out of date Russian style like b/s did and not be a contender for a world or Olympic medal or even a gpf appearance. In order to get medals after the next Olympic style all the talents must be sent to North America or Russia must adopt all North American style of coaching and programs choreography.

I find it hard to believe Russia will be eager to invest state money to send its teams to Montreal, no matter how long the dry spell. This will be the first year a Russian ice dance pair will be left off the podium at the Olympics, but I don't think it alone will change anything on how the program is run.

Adopting a more serious approach to IJS and not treating levels as fake and the skaters' failure to hit them as an international controversy against Russia will be a huge step forward, so that future teams can medal (as stated upthread, I don't expect them to do so before 2022-2023).
 

gmyers

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I find it hard to believe Russia will be eager to invest state money to send its teams to Montreal, no matter how long the dry spell. This will be the first year a Russian ice dance pair will be left off the podium at the Olympics, but I don't think it alone will change anything on how the program is run.

Adopting a more serious approach to IJS and not treating levels as fake and the skaters' failure to hit them as an international controversy against Russia will be a huge step forward, so that future teams can medal (as stated upthread, I don't expect them to do so before 2022-2023).

As Russian ice dance becomes more and more identified with failure the caliber of people who want to do it will plunge! So even if the leaders of Russian ice dance beacme ijs friendly there wouldn’t be talented skaters anymore to execute it! So they must if they don’t want to destroy its ice dance program spend whatever money they do spend on sending any existing talent to Montreal or Novi or Canton. There is just too much belief that Russians can fix this on their own. They can’t. They still do big drama dances and dances with symbolism or metaphors or whatever so even if they get levels the programs are all wrong. Adopting ijs is not just levels but also abolishing Russian drama from dances.

It’s just choose Montreal or total death of dance completely.
 

Barb

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They didn't do anything differently in China, the technical controller just didn't think they met the requirements, I guess. It looked fine to me - and to the technical specialist, who gave them a level 4 during the program. We'd have to ask Snow if they saw something that the panel might have deducted.

The call cost them silver and GPF.

Bobrova didn’t hit all the proper edges in her turns. It was a mess! She botched almost everything using the flat and not the edge.

The problem is that they had the worst camerawork for that step seq too :eek:hwell:
 

VIETgrlTerifa

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Bobrova's choctaw on the Rhumba step at Rostelecom looked very iffy to me and am still surprised it got a level 4 call there.
 

uhh

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On fso, an poster who usually is reliable about Bobrova/Soloviev said that Katia is going to stop skating after the Olympics, but Dima has decided he won't be retiring and he already has a new partner lined up. I'm wondering who on earth it could be - I doubt he would start again with someone completely new to ice dance, but who is out there near his level in need of a partner?

Maybe Davankova, if she's not given up completely, but she's still a loooong way off his standard. Ilinykh if she's not happy with Shibnev? Riazanova making a surprise comeback? Or someone from outside Russia?
 

madison

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On fso, an poster who usually is reliable about Bobrova/Soloviev said that Katia is going to stop skating after the Olympics, but Dima has decided he won't be retiring and he already has a new partner lined up. I'm wondering who on earth it could be - I doubt he would start again with someone completely new to ice dance, but who is out there near his level in need of a partner?

Maybe Davankova, if she's not given up completely, but she's still a loooong way off his standard. Ilinykh if she's not happy with Shibnev? Riazanova making a surprise comeback? Or someone from outside Russia?

Oh, interesting... I thought they'll retire together. I don't know how feasible is for Dima to start a new partnership at his age... we all know that in ice dance couples need a lot of time to become competitive.
 

madison

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On fso, an poster who usually is reliable about Bobrova/Soloviev said that Katia is going to stop skating after the Olympics, but Dima has decided he won't be retiring and he already has a new partner lined up. I'm wondering who on earth it could be - I doubt he would start again with someone completely new to ice dance, but who is out there near his level in need of a partner?

Maybe Davankova, if she's not given up completely, but she's still a loooong way off his standard. Ilinykh if she's not happy with Shibnev? Riazanova making a surprise comeback? Or someone from outside Russia?

Btw, are there any news on Fso or elsewhere about Shpilevaya/Smirnov?
 

gmyers

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Oh, interesting... I thought they'll retire together. I don't know how feasible is for Dima to start a new partnership at his age... we all know that in ice dance couples need a lot of time to become competitive.

But without b/s russia ice dance totally dies so maybe soloviev is being pushed to stay in because there is some desire in Russia for not to have the program totally die. Russia is facing no teams in top 10. And I/z were russian champions their first season so Russia is totally desperate and would be eager to make soloviev team champion immediately
 

Anyasnake

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On fso, an poster who usually is reliable about Bobrova/Soloviev said that Katia is going to stop skating after the Olympics, but Dima has decided he won't be retiring and he already has a new partner lined up. I'm wondering who on earth it could be - I doubt he would start again with someone completely new to ice dance, but who is out there near his level in need of a partner?

Maybe Davankova, if she's not given up completely, but she's still a loooong way off his standard. Ilinykh if she's not happy with Shibnev? Riazanova making a surprise comeback? Or someone from outside Russia?

I've heard that before, I think Katya said it herself. But I didn't know there was already someone though.
And I'm sure it's not Elena :laugh: They will be so mismatched anyway.
 

Marta25

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If these rumors are true, it`s going to be so weird to see Soloviev skate with someone else after all those years seeing him with Bobrova. I`m really, really curious to know who it could be. I doubt it`s Stepanova, she and Bukin have been improving every year and seem like the obvious choice to take over as #1. Maybe it`s Sinitsina if Nikita decides to retire? But why would he? For selfish reasons, I hope it`s not Zagorski, becaue I really love her and Guerreiro together.

Well, as always Russian drama stays interesting :biggrin:
 
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