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Thread: 2017-18 State of U.S. Ladies Skating

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    I don't disagree that this is an issue that USFS needs to (FINALLY) tackle. But I think everyone also needs to realize that it's not JUST USFS at work here - it's the press, it's the judges, it's the coaching staff, it's the TV commentators, it's the skaters themselves, and yes, it is the fans too. It's endemic in the US skating community. It's going to take a cultural shift in thinking to turn things around. Just take a look at this thread as an example

    More directly within USFS' control is how they prepare skaters and structure the competitive system in the US. I'd argue that should be their priority number one.

    Also, I don't think you can teach mental toughness. You either have it or you don't. The best you can do (besides physical fitness) is prepare for any scenario, in HOPES that the competition anxiety can be somewhat reduced. You hope that your skater has it, but if she doesn't...likely not much you can do as a coach.
    But the Federation has more contact with the skaters. They are the ones that set the tone that everyone else picks up. There needs to be an admission of the damage this tone does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluediamonds09 View Post
    Rooting for Ting Cui and Bradie Tennell next season for the USA. There’s no one else to get excited about. I say send Ting and bradie to high profile coaches and choreographers and have them train together. I also say stop turning champs camp into a “love thy team members” speech and an “honor the greats before us” lecture. get these skaters tough and prepared.
    You have to start somewhere, right.

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    I think next season Bradie should switch up the style of her programs. I don't know her as a person but on the ice she's not graceful, delicate, fluidity, etc. as her programs call for therefore she doesn't sell it. If she did something more mature and powerful it might would work for her. Something where her stiffness would be an advantage and not a distraction.

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    Congratulations to Mirai , who won one of Professional Skaters Association's 2018 EDI Awards for Best Performances at the 2018 Prudential U.S. Championships in San Jose, CA.

    ... The award is based on the "total performance" with an eye to costuming, presentation, music selection, choreography, style, and technique. Winners were determined by a committee present at nationals that reviewed all long and short programs at the junior and senior levels for each discipline. ....

    Mirai's FS won for the Ladies discipline;
    Ross' FS won Men;
    Madi H/Zach's FD for Ice Dance;
    Tarah/Danny's FS for Pairs;
    Skyliners, SC of New York, Senior FS for Synchro.

    http://www.skatepsa.com/psa/Best-Performances.html
    https://www.facebook.com/ProfSk8rsAs...type=3&theater (Mar 23)

    So glad that Mirai was recognized for "total performance" (and not technical ability alone).

    Thanks to Mirai, Bradie, and Mariah for representing the U.S.



    Quote Originally Posted by AshWagsFan View Post
    Also, these are her exact words from a week or two ago:
    “A few months ago, I made the choice to listen to my heart and body and take an intentional period of rest away from skating, closing out this season. This time of heart healing has been essential, and not rushing the process is just as essential.”
    Not criticizing Ashley, but her wording on Instagram was slightly different. Meaning this part:

    ... I made the choice to ... take an intentional season of rest away from skating ....

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BgZcGNqg...=ashwagner2010 (Mar 16)

    To me, her Instagram sounded as if her thought was to take a break from competing in 2018-19??

    But her tweet re "period" of rest does not sound like a reference to the 2018-19 season??

    Will have to patiently wait to see what the upcoming months/years hold for her. I wish her the best.

    Hope Ashley, Mirai, Bradie, and Karen have a great tour with SOI.

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    I hope the usfsa continues to promote developed technical excellence and artistic expression - not just focus on triples and quads at a young age. For the immediate future Bradie has sound technical skills which can be greatly enhanced with the right artistic training and choreography. She seems to have a tight-knit coaching group now and I hope they are open to new ideas and opportunities for Bradie. I also agree that Ting Cui and maybe Angela Wang (if she can get her jumps in order) have potential. Alyssa Lui seems to have great potential in 2-3 years; let her keep building a strong foundation and finding her voice on the ice. I'm sure there are others but I'm of the opinion that Mirai, Polina and Courtney have had their days and will/should move on. Just an opinion. Mariah Bell is a question to me. Seems to have some potential but not seeing the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slider11 View Post
    For the immediate future Bradie has sound technical skills which can be greatly enhanced with the right artistic training and choreography. She seems to have a tight-knit coaching group now and I hope they are open to new ideas and opportunities for Bradie. I also agree that Ting Cui and maybe Angela Wang (if she can get her jumps in order) have potential. Alyssa Lui seems to have great potential in 2-3 years; let her keep building a strong foundation and finding her voice on the ice. I'm sure there are others but I'm of the opinion that Mirai, Polina and Courtney have had their days and will/should move on. Just an opinion. Mariah Bell is a question to me. Seems to have some potential but not seeing the results.
    Sorry, but I'm afraid Angela Wang, much as I love her, fits in the same category as Mirai and Courtney (Polina's unfortunately persistent injury puts her in a slightly separate category). Angela is 21, has competed at every Senior Nationals since 2012 and has never finished higher than 7th.

    Internationally, she has two gold medals to her credit: a JGP medal in 2012, and a 2017 Bavarian Open gold medal. She has been on the podium at some summer and Challenge events, including a silver last summer at the Philadelphia Intl, bronze at the 2015 US Intl FS Classic, and silver and bronze at 2014 Challenger events. But she has come up short at the bigger events: She finished 8th and 9th at her two GP events, one in 2014 and one in 2015. She was 9th at 2018 4CC.

    Angela just seems to crumble when faced with serious competition---it's almost as if she doesn't believe in herself. I certainly wouldn't put her in the same category as Bradie Tennell and Ting Cui.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Sorry, but I'm afraid Angela Wang, much as I love her, fits in the same category as Mirai and Courtney (Polina's unfortunately persistent injury puts her in a slightly separate category). Angela is 21, has competed at every Senior Nationals since 2012 and has never finished higher than 7th.

    Internationally, she has two gold medals to her credit: a JGP medal in 2012, and a 2017 Bavarian Open gold medal. She has been on the podium at some summer and Challenge events, including a silver last summer at the Philadelphia Intl, bronze at the 2015 US Intl FS Classic, and silver and bronze at 2014 Challenger events. But she has come up short at the bigger events: She finished 8th and 9th at her two GP events, one in 2014 and one in 2015. She was 9th at 2018 4CC.

    Angela just seems to crumble when faced with serious competition---it's almost as if she doesn't believe in herself. I certainly wouldn't put her in the same category as Bradie Tennell and Ting Cui.
    You bring up compelling facts with Angela. It looks like Bradie and Ting are our best bets.

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    I would just like to add that Amber Glenn posts lots of crazy combos on her IG( 3lutz-3loop, 3loop-3loop, 3lutz rippon 3toeloop etc etc) and I think if she could get a handle on her popping habit and nerves... who knows? I wouldn't count her completely out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FGE198 View Post
    Speaking of Mirai and Shin Amano, can someone honestly please explain to me why Shin Amano is an ISU specialist? In other sports, specialists usually have had a certain modicum of success in the sport. Shin Amano medaled once at Japan Nationals where he won Gold and then competed at Worlds where he placed 28th!! He never medaled again in singles in Japan. He also won Japan Nationals ONCE in Pairs and then competed in the Olympics where they placed 20th! He was a very mediocre skater at best and in my opinion he should not be the specialist at a World Championships.

    I have been very suspicious of him since the 2016-2017 Grand Prix where at the Cup of China he went ballistic on Ashley Wagner with calls. It was problematic because of the fact that it knocked Ashley out of the Grand Prix finals and put his countrywoman Satoko Miyahara (who was on the bubble) into the 6th position (and it worked as Satoko won Silver that year). It seemed very calculated and it looked suspicious. He is inconsistent and relentless but in ways that make it look biased and suspicious. At the end of the day I just don't understand how someone who was such a weak skater can be in such a high level, important position. I could understand it if someone like Takeshi Honda was a specialist but not him.
    Judges, tech specialists and controllers take seminars and tests to become international and ISU judges, specialists etc. It has nothing to how successful they were as skaters. Last time I checked you had to have competed at a certain level to become a judge.

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