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Here you go! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl8z-QIBonY&t=204s
Height on jumps
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JSF actually doesn't allow that?? anyone know why? I can't imagine how difficult that would be to learn it your "bad way" and have to do it forever! that would take so much extra effort and time...
I doubt that the federation has any rules about direction of rotation. (If any posters who can find and read their rules can demonstrate otherwise, please do.)
I think it's more about what happens in the practice rinks, how the coaches teach, that make it too inconvenient for them to teach clockwise jumps. Or too inconvenient for skaters to practice them on crowded practice sessions. But the federation doesn't control what happens in practice.
We don't see any clockwise jumpers from Russia or China either. Those federations (especially in Soviet days for Russia) probably had more control over how coaches coached than JSF does.
Carolina Kostner has worked with Mishin lately, so he must be capable of working with clockwise jumpers. Any other examples?
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It has nothing to do with the federation at all, only with how practices go and how many skaters are at the rink at the same time. In Russia, children skate in groups (there can be like 20 children at the same time), usually the coach gives them all a task (like, 10 single axels in a row or something like that) and they skate around the rink one after the other doing it. There aren't many clockwise jumpers on any level, and when there's one skater in a group who rotates in different direction than the others but do the same task as them at the same time, it might cause troubles and even injuries as he/she clearly disturbs other skaters. That's the main reason why there are not clockwise jumpers in Russia. I don't know how it works in Japan, but I've heard their rinks are very crowded, so maybe it's the same.
Similar to Lucky Star's post about Russia above - If you ever watch video of young Japanese skaters at their skate school practice/coaching sessions, you will see that it is simply unfeasible at most rinks, to have skaters who go "the other way".
Ice time is limited, rinks are usually not dedicated to FS training, and there so many skaters... they all have to skate their exercises in circuits like a "train" or "production line". They do whatever exercises at certain parts of the rink/circuit, do jumps at this part of circuit etc.
There isn't room to have part of the rink set aside for a few people to go "the other way", and it would be dangerous to let them skate with the others "against the flow"- so skaters like Miyahara simply learn at an early age to jump/spin in the same direction as everyone else, instead of their "natural" direction...
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If anyone's interested, they've released a men's height and rotation speed version as well:
https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/ternovblogfk/1442944.html
https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/ternovblogfk/1442944.html
Gracie especially early in her career had an insane 3lz 3t combo. Check out the height she got on it at Junior Worlds. How i wish Frank didn't hold back her jumps when she was with him. Only Yuna at the time had a better 3lz 3t and no one now does. Great height and rotation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV3CUevgUyE Her 3-3 at Nationals was great too with maybe one of the biggest lutzes ever in the ice that it covered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHVFz8W9cWo
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He used Mishin's biomechanical work, and he interpreted it badly.
Wow! For me her 3lz-3T was even better than Yuna's. Even her 2A-3T was also great.
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Not really suprised the highest jump is Misha's quad Lutz :luv17:
We actually used computer software to compare jumps among the ladies and men a few years back. A russian had by 10cm marginal the highest jump. Sotnikova I think. Gold had not so much height on her jumps but covered a great lenght of ice that made her jumps look impressive. Depends on what you like, long jump or high jump
This was like back in 2013 or 14, I'm sure there were higher jumps performed both previously and afterwards.. Just saying, don't let your eyes fool you....
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We actually used computer software to compare jumps among the ladies and men a few years back. A russian had by 10cm marginal the highest jump. Sotnikova I think. Gold had not so much height on her jumps but covered a great lenght of ice that made her jumps look impressive. Depends on what you like, long jump or high jump
Yeah, for my eyes Adelina had the highest jump back then when she was at her best (which was rarely, to be fair). Gracie was also impressive tho
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there is a new article about pairs
they also provided some updates about single skaters in the current season:
1) Tsurskaya's 3Lz is now about 59cm (it was 55cm)
2) Sotskova's 3F is now about 52cm (was 47cm)
3) Zagitova's rotation speed on 3Lo has decreased to 4.7 (was 5.0)
4) Tuktamysheva's 3Lz is 60cm
5) Kolyada's 4Lz became even higher - now its 85cm (was 78cm)
they also provided some updates about single skaters in the current season:
1) Tsurskaya's 3Lz is now about 59cm (it was 55cm)
2) Sotskova's 3F is now about 52cm (was 47cm)
3) Zagitova's rotation speed on 3Lo has decreased to 4.7 (was 5.0)
4) Tuktamysheva's 3Lz is 60cm
5) Kolyada's 4Lz became even higher - now its 85cm (was 78cm)
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This time author has done some research on junior ladies.
Interesting that japanese and korean girls are leading at jumps height. Meanwhile russians have insane rotation speed, like Sofia Akatieva (10 yo, Eteri's group) - ridiculous 6+ rotations per second on triple(!) jumps.
Interesting that japanese and korean girls are leading at jumps height. Meanwhile russians have insane rotation speed, like Sofia Akatieva (10 yo, Eteri's group) - ridiculous 6+ rotations per second on triple(!) jumps.
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Is the general consensus 5.5 rps to have a chance at getting quads if they also have decent height? if not what is it? *summons Shayuki to the thread*
It was visible at juniors Worlds. Yamashita and Lim have pretty high jumps.
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OMG Adam's head on Evgenia's hands 
Satoko's numbers are a nightmare
Satoko's numbers are a nightmare
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I cannot believe the accuracy of this research having seen Boyang Jin live and hundreds of times on videos of course. Most of his jumps are really big and impressive, especially the 4L is just insane, how he got nearly to the bottom of the list baffles me.
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