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2017 GPF Short Dance

ChanClan

On the Ice
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Nov 4, 2017
I'm sorry, some people are singling out P/C fans? Look at P/C's personal pages on social media, all V/M fans throwing insults. How much more disrespectful and insecure can they be?

I'm not saying that what those V/M fans are doing isn't wrong and disgusting but both fan bases are being disrespectful not only to V/M and P/C themselves but to each other. Obviously V/M fans are much more vocal since there are more of them but considering I got called a fascist by a P/C fan for saying that I found P/C FD boring... yeah,I'd have to say that that both fan bases are being very disrespectful and insecure.
 

Anyasnake

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Mar 28, 2016
I'm not saying that what those V/M fans are doing isn't wrong and disgusting but both fan bases are being disrespectful not only to V/M and P/C themselves but to each other. Obviously V/M fans are much more vocal since there are more of them but considering I got called a fascist by a P/C fan for saying that I found P/C FD boring... yeah,I'd have to say that that both fan bases are being very disrespectful and insecure.

I think everyone is going nuts this season. Definitely both sides, insulting people as much as the other - like you said, only difference is the quantity of ubers, but proportion is the same.

I don't get why you have to diminish a skater's ability to promote your fave when it's not even true (feeling insecure ?), let alone insulting. I fear some people are going to get in much trouble. The French judge David Molina already took some legal action after NHK because of ubers harrassement on social media. And I'm sure CAN and FRA press is just waiting for those controversies to work their political wall off-ice.

And if anyone is crossing a line (calling a facist, really ? this is insane), you should report them. No one deserves that.
 

Anyasnake

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Mar 28, 2016
Yes, Tessa virtue & Scott Moir are divine dancers and this is unjust.

But they weren't the most clean this time. There is no injustice.
You can't be the best dancer in the world, if you make mistakes on a competitive program and the others don't, it's normal not to win.
 

icekiwi

On the Ice
Joined
Jan 10, 2007
But they weren't the most clean this time. There is no injustice.
You can't be the best dancer in the world, if you make mistakes on a competitive program and the others don't, it's normal not to win.

Please point out to me where is Tessa & Scott's mistake or mistakes and at what time this happened so I could have a look again on Youtube. It is also a 'mistake' when you put on paper that you are going to do a Samba Rhumba routine and there is clearly no Samba Rhumba content. In proper Ballroom/Latin competition, marks will be taken off for the lack of content. If your competitors put in more contents and execute them well, they will definitely get more marks than you. There is a move in the second half of the program where Guillame throws Gabriella (knees bent) to the side, that is a Rock n Roll/Swing move. That is not a Samba move and marks should be appropriately deducted. They incorporated this in their Swing program last year which was appropriate. When I saw this 'throw' for the first time I felt it was put in to eat up time or lack of understanding of the Samba dance or both. The 'lack' of matching hips and shoulder movements is 'unclean' execution or a mistake and hence should be given less marks.
 

peepsquick

Final Flight
Joined
Oct 26, 2016
Please point out to me where is Tessa & Scott's mistake or mistakes and at what time this happened so I could have a look again on Youtube. It is also a 'mistake' when you put on paper that you are going to do a Samba Rhumba routine and there is clearly no Samba Rhumba content. In proper Ballroom/Latin competition, marks will be taken off for the lack of content. If your competitors put in more contents and execute them well, they will definitely get more marks than you. There is a move in the second half of the program where Guillame throws Gabriella (knees bent) to the side, that is a Rock n Roll/Swing move. That is not a Samba move and marks should be appropriately deducted. They incorporated this in their Swing program last year which was appropriate. When I saw this 'throw' for the first time I felt it was put in to eat up time or lack of understanding of the Samba dance or both. The 'lack' of matching hips and shoulder movements is 'unclean' execution or a mistake and hence should be given less marks.

Huh... Samba and Rumba are not meant to be danced on ice either! It means that some steps are transcribed for the ice as Rumba-steps and have only the flair of ballroom-rumba. P/C have worked with specialists in the field as well. Their SD might not have the (for me) stilted look of ballroom dancing but it has the freshness of Latin dance outside of a studio. This is ice dance where you make the best use of the medium ice with prescribed elements of the type of ballroom dance of the year. You are right to say that V/M are more literal in their interpretation and do it very well but we are talking evaluation of ice dancers here not ballroom dancers. Enjoy the work of your team and stop talking about injustice.
 

Anyasnake

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Please point out to me where is Tessa & Scott's mistake or mistakes and at what time this happened so I could have a look again on Youtube. It is also a 'mistake' when you put on paper that you are going to do a Samba Rhumba routine and there is clearly no Samba Rhumba content. In proper Ballroom/Latin competition, marks will be taken off for the lack of content. If your competitors put in more contents and execute them well, they will definitely get more marks than you. There is a move in the second half of the program where Guillame throws Gabriella (knees bent) to the side, that is a Rock n Roll/Swing move. That is not a Samba move and marks should be appropriately deducted. They incorporated this in their Swing program last year which was appropriate. When I saw this 'throw' for the first time I felt it was put in to eat up time or lack of understanding of the Samba dance or both. The 'lack' of matching hips and shoulder movements is 'unclean' execution or a mistake and hence should be given less marks.

Read post #335 : https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/s...7-GPF-Free-Dance/page23&p=1885489#post1885489
All the details is in here.
EDIT : for the V/M Short Dance, the lack of synchronisation in the beginning of No-touch could have affected a level (maybe, but also compare to SCI : it wasn't as good) but also Tessa's chochtaw in the pattern was at first downgraded. You can't see it well on the video because Scott hides her, but all the judges put +2 (including Canadian) and no +3. Try to look at her I think she is bending over.

For the rest of your post :
the content of both programs is very suited to what I'd call "Latin Ballroom Ice Dancing" Short Dance. I guess you have your preferences : that is absolutely fine. But there is no move you are prohibited from doing as long as it fits the program well. In both case, the construction of the SDs are very good, and I'm 100% sure that those different types of Latin SD are what judges, viewers, even ISU is looking for, because it fits the ballroom dance world of today (I know ISU is trying to make skating more modern - they included hiphop in the SD last year for that).
It will never be the same because on the ice it does not translate as well, but both teams manage to put great content and do it well.
 

Ares

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Feb 22, 2016
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Poland
But they weren't the most clean this time. There is no injustice.
You can't be the best dancer in the world, if you make mistakes on a competitive program and the others don't, it's normal not to win.

As someone who prefers V/M I wanted them to win as well but some comments of this sort can either make you feel pity or crack you up.
 

icekiwi

On the Ice
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Jan 10, 2007
My problem with Guillame & Gabriella SD is, 'there is so little Samba Rhumba content'. Hence, what is there to judge to begin with in the first place? Please point out exactly where the Samba and Rhumba contents in Guillame and Gabriella's SD. For the other competitors, you can actually point out their dance content and grade the execution. Anna & Luca actually have more Samba/ChaCha content but the fast tempo let them down a bit unfortunately. Yes, you can say no deduction if a certain move is not a standard (the throw that I mentioned) but what about the rest of the dance, there is still 99% of the dance yet to be judged? where is the Samba and where is the Rhumba? I would love for someone to point out to me segment by segment. The SD is a prescribed dance. More than anything else, the problem for Gabbie and Guillame's SD is the lack of synchronisation of their moves, their hips and shoulder movements don't match. They were doing different steps from each other when they were in mirror position.

Guillame & Gabriella's Paso Doble two season's ago, I think, is one of my favorite - great intensity, timing of steps, loads of Paso content, and locking of the eye contact. But this Samba Rhumba is rubbish.
 

Gotlev

Driving the Zamboni home
On the Ice
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Nov 8, 2017
And with these wise words we can happily close this thread, knowing that injustice reigns supreme over Ice Dance Land because ballroom dancing on ice is not judged like ballroom dancing on a dance floor.
We are all thrilled to see that some people can still recognize rubbish when it hits them in the face, and will defend the strongholds of rigid thinking and clinging to the past until their last breath.
In this knowledge, we can all sleep soundly tonight, and gather strength for the battles to come.
Because a beautiful future will not wait to push itself upon us, and we cannot let that happen unhindered!
Let's prepare ourselves to refuse it totally. We will NOT enjoy it. We are here to suffer and let suffer!

The End.
 

icekiwi

On the Ice
Joined
Jan 10, 2007
And with these wise words we can happily close this thread, knowing that injustice reigns supreme over Ice Dance Land because ballroom dancing on ice is not judged like ballroom dancing on a dance floor.
We are all thrilled to see that some people can still recognize rubbish when it hits them in the face, and will defend the strongholds of rigid thinking and clinging to the past until their last breath.
In this knowledge, we can all sleep soundly tonight, and gather strength for the battles to come.
Because a beautiful future will not wait to push itself upon us, and we cannot let that happen unhindered!
Let's prepare ourselves to refuse it totally. We will NOT enjoy it. We are here to suffer and let suffer!

The End.

Well, at least you do admit that Gabbie & Guillame's SD is rubbish and rubbish thrown at faces.
 

Anyasnake

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Mar 28, 2016
Well, at least you do admit that Gabbie & Guillame's SD is rubbish and rubbish thrown at faces.

And that rubbish is so freaking good :love: I've personnally never seen rubbish so well translated into the ice. Or winning a GPF : I guess it's there is really a first time for everything ! Rubbish for the win tbh :laugh:
 

Ares

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Feb 22, 2016
Country
Poland
My comment ? why so ? :scratch2:

Not yours. My comment was concerning those ultra-ubers who claim that V/M are the best of all times, the impeccable, splendid ice dancers that simply could never lose in their mind so their comments are hard to take seriously as great as they really are. Those reactions just scream ''cry me a river'' for me, their denial just blinds them.
 
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