Medvedeva will speak at IOC meeting

luckyguy · Dec 3, 2017

Yevgenia Medvedeva, the clear Olympic figure skating favorite, will reportedly give a speech as part of a Russian delegation at an IOC executive board meeting Tuesday to announce if and how Russians will be allowed to compete at the PyeongChang Winter Games.
http://olympics.nbcsports.com/2017/12/03/yevgenia-medvedeva-russia-olympics-ioc/

pearly · Dec 3, 2017

Talk about pressure. I wonder if this will mentally affect Russian skaters in the GPF as well.

Lily flowers · Dec 3, 2017

pearly said:
Talk about pressure. I wonder if this will mentally affect Russian skaters in the GPF as well.

How would it? Like not knowing wether they’ll go to the OG or not?

asp11 · Dec 3, 2017

Lily flowers said:
Like not knowing wether they’ll go to the OG or not?

That's exactly it.

madison · Dec 3, 2017

Good for Med. I think she's the right person to speak about this situation.

FSGMT · Dec 3, 2017

Wow, this is tough! The Olympics without Russian skaters would be something HUGE :eeking: Ladies and Pairs fields could be drammatically altered

Mathman · Dec 3, 2017

Great choice. Evgenia will melt the IOC's heart. How can they say no?

Purv · Dec 3, 2017

Mathman said:
Great choice. Evgenia will melt the IOC's heart. How can they say no?

If life would be so simple and beautiful that little girl change such decisions

GGFan · Dec 3, 2017

The IOC has a very difficult and sensitive decision to make. I'm glad to see that they're trying to hear from a variety of voices on this issue.

Purv · Dec 3, 2017

GGFan said:
The IOC has a very difficult and sensitive decision to make. I'm glad to see that they're trying to hear from a variety of voices on this issue.

Do you think Evgenia will answer them why russians athletes are not wanted to be tested enough?

GGFan · Dec 3, 2017

Purv said:
Do you think Evgenia will answer them why russians athletes are not wanted to be tested enough?

Ok, I read that sarcastically and found it hilarious. I always applaud shade.

No, that would not be her role. The decision is very difficult because there's government involvement. Government actors have very deep pockets and can wreak havoc on a system. We learned lessons from East Germany on that.

However, the IOC also has an interest in protecting innocent athletes. The boycotts of 1980 and 1984 taught us that we hate when innocents get caught in the middle. Reportedly the IOC is caught between: 1) making a decision like it did in 2016, which allowed a substantial percentage of athletes to compete or 2) allowing athletes from Russia to compete neutrally--with no Russian flag or anthem. People who hate cheating were not satisfied with option (1) and the Russian government has said that it will not let its athletes compete under option (2).

It sounds like the IOC and the Russian government are playing a game of chicken. Evgenia can give voice to the athletes who played no role in the conspiracy but who would be affected by the final decision.

Skatingcat · Dec 3, 2017

It is a tricky situation, but if Russia is allowed to compete, then how does it deter other countries from starting an elaborate doping plan of their own? If this was the US/Japan/China/Australia/Canadians I would feel the same way. If it were up to me, I'd probably ban them from the games to send a strong message.

Good luck Evegnia! If anyone can persuade them, I am sure she can. <3

/prepares to be very very unpopular.

GGFan · Dec 3, 2017

Skatingcat said:
It is a tricky situation, but if Russia is allowed to compete, then how does it deter other countries from starting an elaborate doping plan of their own? If this was the US/Japan/China/Australia I would feel the same way. If it were up to me, I'd probably ban them from the games to send a strong message.

Good luck Evegnia! If anyone can persuade them, I am sure she can. <3

This is hard!! Take Russia out of the equation and imagine the US using CIA tactics against the doping system. WADA can't win that fight. The system is meant to handle individuals and groups of individuals, not governments with limitless resources at their disposal.

Danibellerika · Dec 3, 2017

madison said:
Ohh, it's really difficult for me to read such a hate discourse and it's not worth answering to it.
I want to say only one thing: clean athletes who invested with honesty their energy and time in sport should not pay for what others did. And be sure that right now the Russians are clean and what's happening now it's just politics.

But then that's why they'd have the option to compete as neutral athletes. For Med's task she'll need to help convince the committee why it has to be Russia these athletes represent.

tars · Dec 3, 2017

Damn... What a fantastic idea! She has time, she needs sth to get her competitive mind occupied, she's intelligent and communicative person, she's lovely young girl. There is no better choice, really.

Russian diplomacy is well known to be one of the best in the world, but often used in shady causes - this one time I fully support them.
Crush their hearts Zhenya! :cheer2:

GGFan · Dec 3, 2017

Danibellerika said:
But then that's why they'd have the option to compete as neutral athletes. For Med's task she'll need to help convince the committee why it has to be Russia these athletes represent.

I don't live in Russia so I cannot speak for its citizens but for some competing neutrally may not be an option at all. The government might make the decision for the athletes. But even without doing so if this is being framed as the World vs. Russia (a patriotic issue) competing neutrally might be seen as a red line.

The Olympics are very nationalistic, otherwise there wouldn't be such tight citizenship requirements, etc. This is going to controversial no matter what they decide.

madison · Dec 3, 2017

Skatingcat said:
It is a tricky situation, but if Russia is allowed to compete, then how does it deter other countries from starting an elaborate doping plan of their own? If this was the US/Japan/China/Australia/Canadians I would feel the same way. If it were up to me, I'd probably ban them from the games to send a strong message.

Good luck Evegnia! If anyone can persuade them, I am sure she can. <3

/prepares to be very very unpopular.

I don't have a in-depth view of this entire situation, but were the allegations that there was a state conducted plan of doping really proved?
And if a country could do that means that the entire system is broken, cause, in my opinion, the system should have tools to prevent and control the situation before something illegal happens

madison · Dec 3, 2017

Danibellerika said:
But then that's why they'd have the option to compete as neutral athletes. For Med's task she'll need to help convince the committee why it has to be Russia these athletes represent.

What about the team event? Would they be able to participate in? Cause it would be unfair not to...

GGFan · Dec 3, 2017

madison said:
I don't have a depth view of this entire situation, but were the allegations that there was a state conducted plan of doping really proved?
And if a country could do that means that the entire system is broken, cause, in my opinion, the system should have tools to prevent and control the situation before something illegal happens

We're doing some speculating here but if we're going off the NY Times article, the Russian scientist had very detailed contemporaneous notes implicating officials all the way up to the current Deputy Prime Minister. These kind of notes (with everyday life details included) are highly probative and the reporting on the matter is that the IOC does not believe the notes were falsified.

Danibellerika · Dec 3, 2017

GGFan said:
I don't live in Russia so I cannot speak for its citizens but for some competing neutrally may not be an option at all. The government might make the decision for the athletes. But even without doing so if this is being framed as the World vs. Russia (a patriotic issue) competing neutrally might be seen as a red line.

The Olympics are very nationalistic, otherwise there wouldn't be such tight citizenship requirements, etc. This is going to controversial no matter what they decide.

But then what does that say about the government who then takes away the opportunity for these clean athletes to compete?

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