Artur Danielian

RemyRose · Mar 8, 2019

IndiaP12 said:
Both of them need to chill a bit [emoji23] Artur is so determined and I don’t think he realises that he doesn’t actually need two quads, even 1, to be competitive. Look at Jason brown for example

I don't think Danielian can go the Jason route in Russia, unfortunately. And I just checked the ISU SB list and Artur has the highest total score of the juniors who are not aging out! Congrats to him on his SB

RemyRose · Mar 8, 2019

JrW FP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jNKzYLaip8

vorravorra · Mar 8, 2019

IndiaP12 said:
Both of them need to chill a bit [emoji23] Artur is so determined and I don’t think he realises that he doesn’t actually need two quads, even 1, to be competitive. Look at Jason brown for example

You can't be Jason Brown in Russia. And TAT doesn't chill.

IndiaP12 · Mar 8, 2019

RemyRose said:
I don't think Danielian can go the Jason route in Russia, unfortunately.

Sadly true...

IndiaP12 · Mar 8, 2019

Anyway here’s a cute pic
https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/detai...in-the-junior-mens-free-news-photo/1134542706

IndiaP12 · Mar 8, 2019

RemyRose said:
Sure, but can he also bring back his 2nd triple lutz? Why would you repeat a toe, your second to worse jump, versus one of your money jumps?

Well he only had 2 toeloops, on the 3A and the 3Lo (meant to be 3Lz+3T I think) so there’s no other way for him to have another combination without 2 toeloops. Although it was looking good.
He could put another 3Lz instead of 3Lo though
And did I mention he didn’t get any flip edge calls?

RemyRose · Mar 8, 2019

IndiaP12 said:
Anyway here’s a cute pic
https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/detai...in-the-junior-mens-free-news-photo/1134542706

Joosep is the best with pictures. I wish I had his skills :rock:

MGstyle · Mar 8, 2019

Molodets Artur, he was definitely one of the highlights of the evening, if not THE, while Petr and Camden really let me down. I couldn't understand why he looked so sad after the program, I guess he was thinking about the opening 4S and he had wanted to hit very badly - but he is only 15, younger than most of the boys there. He has the rare gift of sparkle when he skates, I am sure his time will come in the near future!

Perhaps it's partially due to his non-typically-Russian look, I kept getting the impression of watching a mini-Javi today :luv17:

RemyRose · Mar 8, 2019

IndiaP12 said:
Well he only had 2 toeloops, on the 3A and the 3Lo (meant to be 3Lz+3T I think) so there’s no other way for him to have another combination without 2 toeloops. Although it was looking good.
He could put another 3Lz instead of 3Lo though
And did I mention he didn’t get any flip edge calls?

Neither did Joseph Phan but neither were called. Doesn't mean the edge isn't there, it is.

That's the problem, he was planning on repeating the 3A and 3T but why would you repeat a 3T instead of a lutz? How much base value does that actually add? You're repeating the highest valued triple with the lowest valued triple instead of repeating the two highest valued triples.

I actually have his planned list that was updated and given to me by a friend:

4S
3A+3T
3A
2A
3lz+3T
3F+1Eu+3S
3lo

So no he can't sub out the loop for a lutz because he would be repeating 3 different jumps.

RemyRose · Mar 8, 2019

Video interview with Artur! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AznXuGguHYY

ETA: Oh wow, he smiles a lot in this interview :luv17:

IndiaP12 · Mar 8, 2019

RemyRose said:
Neither did Joseph Phan but neither were called. Doesn't mean the edge isn't there, it is.

That's the problem, he was planning on repeating the 3A and 3T but why would you repeat a 3T instead of a lutz? How much base value does that actually add? You're repeating the highest valued triple with the lowest valued triple instead of repeating the two highest valued triples.

I actually have his planned list that was updated and given to me by a friend:

4S
3A+3T
3A
2A
3lz+3T
3F+1Eu+3S
3lo

So no he can't sub out the loop for a lutz because he would be repeating 3 different jumps.

Ok; I get it now thank you

RemyRose · Mar 8, 2019

MGstyle said:
Molodets Artur, he was definitely one of the highlights of the evening, if not THE, while Petr and Camden really let me down. I couldn't understand why he looked so sad after the program, I guess he was thinking about the opening 4S and he had wanted to hit very badly - but he is only 15, younger than most of the boys there. He has the rare gift of sparkle when he skates, I am sure his time will come in the near future!

Perhaps it's partially due to his non-typically-Russian look, I kept getting the impression of watching a mini-Javi today :luv17:

I think because he is a perfectionist judging by his interviews. I don't think we should look too much into it. He was like that even as a small child if you go back and watch those videos.

And Artur is Armenian which probably contributes to the non-Russian look because he isn't ethnically Russian. Both his parents are Armenian and he still have lots of relative that live there.

IndiaP12 · Mar 8, 2019

Btw on Instagram DM (cause I said words of support to him) he said to me ‘С праздником’ for happy women’s day and I’m dying [emoji24][emoji24] why is he such a gentleman

RemyRose · Mar 8, 2019

IndiaP12 said:
Btw on Instagram DM (cause I said words of support to him) he said to me ‘С праздником’ for happy women’s day and I’m dying [emoji24][emoji24] why is he such a gentleman

That's so sweet :luv17: He's a good kid.

RemyRose · Mar 8, 2019

RemyRose said:
Video interview with Artur! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AznXuGguHYY

ETA: Oh wow, he smiles a lot in this interview :luv17:

Translation:

“I’m upset, but I understand that I was guilty myself. I didn’t do what I had to do. And by doing so, I gave my place,” said Danielyan to RIA Novosti. “The quad Salchow did not work out. "

“I think it just takes time to roll this quadruple precisely at competitions and not at workouts,” added the skater. “More practice is needed. In the new season I will try to play it clean at the start.”

Danielyan described the overall performance experience in Zagreb as positive. “I am very glad that I was here, I didn’t say what was great, but it seems to me that it’s not bad and worthy. I am even happy with fourth place,” the Russian admitted.

“The plans are to teach the quadruple rittberger and, probably, the Lutz. In the meantime, I will finish off the Salchow, but we'll see,” the figure skater concluded.

Artur is funny. Can we get the first quad down before adding another one? He doesn't actually land this quad in practice. And with the quad loop I fear even more injuries. His Lutz is a fairly big jump so that quad I can buy. I fear when he moves up, he will have 2 quads in the short and 3 in the long just like Kovtun and will not be able to cope.

ETA: I wonder if they will invite him to the Gala? He seemed like a crowd favorite and it will be nice for him and us :laugh:

ewdokia · Mar 8, 2019

Congratulations Artur, you did soooooo well in Zagreb!

(And being overprotective on my favorites at times I even didn’t want him to skate here :eek:

RemyRose said:
Also, you can tell he is obsessed with the quad.

I can see why Artur is obsessed with quads. Unfortunately his Fed is too so it’s clear he feels pressure to join the quad club. And international judging seems to follow that direction as well – quad skaters were a bit gifted with PCS in the short and in the long program as well.

MGstyle said:
Molodets Artur, he was definitely one of the highlights of the evening, if not THE, while Petr and Camden really let me down. I couldn't understand why he looked so sad after the program, I guess he was thinking about the opening 4S and he had wanted to hit very badly - but he is only 15, younger than most of the boys there

RemyRose said:
I think because he is a perfectionist judging by his interviews. I don't think we should look too much into it. He was like that even as a small child if you go back and watch those videos.

Perfectionist plus Artur is very self-critical. One of the reasons I like him so much: his skating is bigger than his ego. :luv17: There also might be another reason why he looks quite often unsatisfied or strenuous in the K&C – I think he simply has difficulties to see his marks? :scratch2:

RemyRose said:
I figured. That quad seems half baked at best.
……
He doesn't seem physically nor mentally ready for it.

RemyRose said:
Artur is funny. Can we get the first quad down before adding another one? He doesn't actually land this quad in practice. And with the quad loop I fear even more injuries. His Lutz is a fairly big jump so that quad I can buy.

I think the quad looked already much better in Zagreb than it did in Nowgorod. It’s actually amazing progress considering this had been less than three weeks ago. I think Artur is mentally fully ready to do quads. There is no hesitation at all when he enters it. The problem is the physical side. It’s also displayed by the fact that he wants to add more quads, when he even hasn’t landed the first one cleanly. And I too very much hope he’ll focus on the Lutz.

RemyRose said:
Video interview with Artur! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AznXuGguHYY
ETA: Oh wow, he smiles a lot in this interview :luv17:

Thank you for the link. I’m so happy for Artur that he can finish this difficult season on a high note. With Artur being usually so very serious it’s great to see him smile. :yay: Maybe his coaching team cheered him up after he left the K&C? By the way though the quad probably cost him a medal here, I think here it was the right decision to go for it. After the short Artur had nothing to lose. And I see it also positive that he didn’t not medal – thus he can stay in juniors and he won’t be so much on the radar of (quad demanding) fed officials.

ewdokia · Mar 8, 2019

The LP filmed by someone in the audience:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuhLSGgEC3o

To me the flip looks much better now. Maybe Artur indeed improved the edge?

RemyRose · Mar 8, 2019

ewdokia said:
The LP filmed by someone in the audience:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuhLSGgEC3o

To me the flip looks much better now. Maybe Artur indeed improved the edge?

It's not improved. You can see the "e" in the replay https://youtu.be/-Pdp9pqc4yM?t=250. He takes off from an outside edge. This is the way his take off edge has always looked. No point in pretending otherwise. It's an "e".

And just because it's not called, doesn't mean it isn't there or that it's improved. He should consider himself lucky if it isn't called. There were a lot of skaters not being called on their incorrect edge here, not just Artur.

Artur admited to the edge and so has Buyanova. It's there and it takes YEARS to fix. I see no point in investing that much time in something that only gives you 3 points and only if you manage to fix it and I don't know of skater who has managed to fix their edge issue. He can easily drop it when he can stabilize his quad(s). Until then, he can just deal with the inconsistent calls.

RemyRose · Mar 8, 2019

ewdokia said:
I think the quad looked already much better in Zagreb than it did in Nowgorod. It’s actually amazing progress considering this had been less than three weeks ago. I think Artur is mentally fully ready to do quads. There is no hesitation at all when he enters it. The problem is the physical side. It’s also displayed by the fact that he wants to add more quads, when he even hasn’t landed the first one cleanly. And I too very much hope he’ll focus on the Lutz.

That's not what I mean't when I said he was not mentally ready. And the fact that he wants to add more quads when the 1st one is not even there is concerning.

RemyRose · Mar 9, 2019

Buyanova: Danielyan himself is distressed that he did not show a quadruple jump at the JWC.
Google translated:

Russian figure skater Artur Danielyan showed impressive skating at the World Junior Championships in Zagreb, but it’s a pity that he didn’t cope with the quadruple jump in the free program, coach of the athlete Elena Buyanova told RIA Novosti.

“Of course, we are glad that we got to this championship, fate gave Arthur another chance. They were very pleased with the short program, he showed quite impressive skating, eliminated all the shortcomings during the season. he is doing well for him. But, as it turned out, so far only in training, "said Buyanova.

“And Arthur himself was most upset by just this - which didn’t show the quadruple. On the whole, the quality of the elements pleased, they love him very much, it’s nice when an athlete likes it,” the coach added.

Evaluating the performance of Danielyan this season, the agency interlocutor stated that the figure skater was late in it. "Due to the fact that he is growing, they tried to take care of him a little. For us, the main task is to preserve all of his qualities. We were engaged in physical training, pumped in, watched, tried to keep everything up. I think we had time. While he was growing , not final, but it is important for us that the athlete rolls healthy and progresses further, "the specialist emphasized.

"The guy is talented, soft, beautiful gliding, cultured in movements, it is quite rare in figure skating. Let's hope, but ... a spoon for dinner is good. We learn other quads, there is much to strive for. Without quadruple skating is just not interesting," Buyanova.

https://rsport.ria.ru/20190309/1551653340.html

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