2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

figurefan0726 · Oct 20, 2018

Polina looks really good in the Skate America practice. Hope she shows that in competition.

Fluture · Oct 20, 2018

figurefan0726 said:
Polina looks really good in the Skate America practice. Hope she shows that in competition.

Does she? That‘s good to hear but I won‘t get my hopes too high. But good luck to her of course

TripleAxelQueens3 · Oct 20, 2018

Fluture said:
Does she? That‘s good to hear but I won‘t get my hopes too high. But good luck to her of course&#55357;&#56911;&#55356;&#57339;

Apparently her UR issue isn’t too bad (at least in practice) and she’s landing almost everything. Please Polina, please stage an upset and get on that podium! :pray:

Sugar Coated · Oct 20, 2018

Fluture said:
It was posted by someone else. It seems like there will be a short documentary about Zhenya for a Canadian programme called TSN. Maybe it‘s an introduction video for SCI or something like this. But she looked very focused in this video, I think it‘s her actual training and they‘re just filming her.

About the layout: I don‘t think Evgenia has ever done a 2A-3Lo combo, at least I‘ve never seen her do one. She tacked 3T onto every possible jump (including even Lutz and Axel) so maybe she‘s trying the same now with 3Lo? Being able to consistently land it in combo with other jumps. I think it will take some time before we‘ll see her change her layout significantly, though. This year she‘s primarily working on her technique, fixing the axel and trying to get a better edge on the lutz. It’s a transitional period. I guess by next year we‘ll see real changes and better programs, too. Her axel looks a lot better now even though it‘s still not perfect and she‘s even able to tack a loop on to it, so I‘m fairly optimistic for her improvement in the long run. But we‘ll see what happens at SCI. For now the main thing is to skate clean, I think, it‘s too soon to expect any serious changes.

About the lutz issue: Well, she will likely never get a really deep outside edge. If she got it to be consistently on a flat edge, it would be good. Not many skaters have a really deep outside edge so if she has a flat edge she should be fine. Maybe not add a combo to it because the GOE will likely never be the best for her on this jump but it’s already enough if she has two 3Lz in her programs. But this will likely take some time, edge issues aren‘t easy to fix.

I agree this is a rebuilding year for Zhenya. It’s going to take time to fix these issues.

Does she really need a “deep” outside edge? I never understood why this was preferable. Doesn’t she need just enough of an edge to avoid penalties? What’s the benefit of a “deep” edge or is that just some people’s obsession with form?

Fluture · Oct 20, 2018

Sugar Coated said:
I agree this is a rebuilding year for Zhenya. It’s going to take time to fix these issues.

Does she really need a “deep” outside edge? I never understood why this was preferable. Doesn’t she need just enough of an edge to avoid penalties? What’s the benefit of a “deep” edge or is that just some people’s obsession with form?

Well, a deep outside edge is the correct way to jump a lutz but not many skaters these days really achieve it. Alina for example has never had any edge issues but her edge isn‘t exactly deep either. So, I don‘t think Zhenya really needs a deep outside edge and I don‘t think she‘ll ever get one either. Shallow outside would be the goal, if it’s more flat it would be acceptable, too, as long as it isn‘t a blatant inside edge like she mostly does now and did in the past.

chopinskate · Oct 20, 2018

A deep outside edge isn't the only correct way to jump a Lutz. It and minimum pre rotation give the best quality lutzes, but the Lutz itself is merely defined by counter rotation in the entry.

Vilord · Oct 20, 2018

To the discussion of Medvedevas +3Lo combination. It looks good and Im impressed that she can do one.

Normaly when someone does a +3Lo combination it means they repeat Lz and F since they have the highest BV. I think that would be pointless for medvedeva at this piont at least with the much discussed edge issues. However it would also be beneficial to repeat Lo and F which she can also do with this type of combination. The gain is not as big compared to the standard layout but could be a step forward.

neusw · Oct 20, 2018

Vilord said:
To the discussion of Medvedevas +3Lo combination. It looks good and Im impressed that she can do one.

Normaly when someone does a +3Lo combination it means they repeat Lz and F since they have the highest BV. I think that would be pointless for medvedeva at this piont at least with the much discussed edge issues. However it would also be beneficial to repeat Lo and F which she can also do with this type of combination. The gain is not as big compared to the standard layout but could be a step forward.

This strategy is possible, but only if she is always able to do the 3Lo combo with excellent quality (like in the video). Otherwise, she always gets great GOE on the 3S-3T, and has never had issues hitting it in the second half of the program, so it would be safer to continue backloading that combo. I'm not sure there's much base value advantage to substituting a backloaded 3S3T for 2A3Lo. In all likelihood, this is not a competition combo, but simply "practicing at 110%" to improve the outflow of both jumps, possibly with the goal of doing a -3Lo combo on one of her triples.

atsumiri · Oct 20, 2018

Tuktamysheva's twitter.. https://twitter.com/TuktikLiza
She's going down. :shocked:

moriel · Oct 20, 2018

atsumiri said:
Tuktamysheva's twitter.. https://twitter.com/TuktikLiza
She's going down. :shocked:

Looks like someone is watching it live =)
We got to invite her to GS to be mean with us.

Amei · Oct 20, 2018

Spirals for Miles said:
I thought about that last night... like top 5 or medaling would be good. I think it's left over from a system where qualifying for the GP was a big deal for Russian ladies. Not anymore.

Maybe they change it to qualifying for the GPF.

Vlad Karigov · Oct 21, 2018

They must update this video including the new novices and Kostornaia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UypaOyt5FS0

hippomoomin · Oct 21, 2018

Is she being sarcastic to everyone's performance? She made up so many English words just to be sarcastic? I am a little puzzled about the purpose of her Twitter. It seems she aims at a global audience.

atsumiri said:
Tuktamysheva's twitter.. https://twitter.com/TuktikLiza
She's going down. :shocked:

QueenOfTheRoad · Oct 21, 2018

atsumiri said:
Tuktamysheva's twitter.. https://twitter.com/TuktikLiza
She's going down. :shocked:

Oh, i loved only the shade toward TAT. That was GOLD! :rofl:

madison · Oct 21, 2018

QueenOfTheRoad said:
Oh, i loved only the shade toward TAT. That was GOLD!

omg, lol

atsumiri · Oct 21, 2018

That was low. And even worse that it's coming from a skater.

MeineKatze · Oct 21, 2018

That twitter account is clearly a fan account, I would say only her instagram is ran by the real Liza. Isn't it obvious that the english is way too fluent and the content is totally inappropriate to be written by Liza?

atsumiri · Oct 21, 2018

MeineKatze said:
That twitter account is clearly a fan account, I would say only her instagram is ran by the real Liza. Isn't it obvious that the english is way too fluent and the content is totally inappropriate to be written by Liza?

She even linked this twitter on her instagram as her own https://www.instagram.com/liza_tuktik/

Tolstoj · Oct 21, 2018

MeineKatze said:
That twitter account is clearly a fan account, I would say only her instagram is ran by the real Liza. Isn't it obvious that the english is way too fluent and the content is totally inappropriate to be written by Liza?

Nono she said that is her official Twitter account, someone is helping her with the translation but the opinions are her own.

It's meant to be a joke account though, don't take it too seriously.

Crazy27 · Oct 21, 2018

Valieva K. BETWEEN LIGHT AND DARKNESS
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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

figurefan0726

Fluture

TripleAxelQueens3

sasha trusova is superior

Sugar Coated

Fluture

chopinskate

Vilord

neusw

atsumiri

moriel

Amei

Vlad Karigov

hippomoomin

QueenOfTheRoad

madison

atsumiri

MeineKatze

atsumiri

Tolstoj

Crazy27

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