2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

Bluediamonds09 said:

In how many weeks will we finally get to see Guliakova at an international event?

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Bluediamonds09 said:

In how many weeks will we finally get to see Guliakova at an international event?

Also, do we already know the complete list of ladies competing at nationals?

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balabam said:

on Friday at Warsaw cup http://www.pfsa.com.pl/results/1718/WC2018/index.htm
problem of small competitions like this, is that Guliakova can't really count with high component marks, with weak field if all the other competitors will be in 5's or 6's, judges don't give her 8's. And this undermines her chances for top 24 SB.

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moriel said:

Internet reactions
Medvedeva scores 197 (vs her 238 at Olys): oh my god, she is improving so much
Zagitova scores 222 (vs her 239 at Olys): she is done

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Lily flowers said:

It’s worth noting that Evgenia is starting from scratch, and yes she has improved significantly in several areas, while Alina is building upon what she’s achieved last season.
I don’t think either is done, that’s just irrational hater talk.

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moriel said:

I dont see how she is starting from scratch. We have quite a few other skaters of comparable level who moved to Orser

Yuna: moved in March 2007. In 2006-07 season, she was scoring 168 - 186 or so. In 2007-08 season, she scored 180 - 197. There was no "1.5 year", she improved straight away.
Hanyu: moved in April 2012. In 2011-12 season, he was scoring 226-251 or so. In 2012-13 season, 243-264. Again, there was no "1.5 year", Hanyu improved his results straight away.
Well, Javi was not a top skater but he is being brought as example so:
Fernandez: moved in June 2011. In 2010-11, he was scoring 184-218. In 2011-12, he was scoring 204-250. Fernandez also improved straight away.

This is also why people expected better results from Zhenya - the top skaters who went to Orser so far didnt lose their ground at first, despite different coaching system and whatever. Is Zhenya only one reworking stuff? Everybody else came in entirely ready and had nothing to rework? Weren't people bringing Hanyu as an example of reworked jump technique before? Didn't Orser actually say he would use with Zhenya what he learned while coaching Yuna, who came to him imjured?

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moriel said:

I dont see how she is starting from scratch. We have quite a few other skaters of comparable level who moved to Orser

Yuna: moved in March 2007. In 2006-07 season, she was scoring 168 - 186 or so. In 2007-08 season, she scored 180 - 197. There was no "1.5 year", she improved straight away.
Hanyu: moved in April 2012. In 2011-12 season, he was scoring 226-251 or so. In 2012-13 season, 243-264. Again, there was no "1.5 year", Hanyu improved his results straight away.
Well, Javi was not a top skater but he is being brought as example so:
Fernandez: moved in June 2011. In 2010-11, he was scoring 184-218. In 2011-12, he was scoring 204-250. Fernandez also improved straight away.

This is also why people expected better results from Zhenya - the top skaters who went to Orser so far didnt lose their ground at first, despite different coaching system and whatever. Is Zhenya only one reworking stuff? Everybody else came in entirely ready and had nothing to rework? Weren't people bringing Hanyu as an example of reworked jump technique before? Didn't Orser actually say he would use with Zhenya what he learned while coaching Yuna, who came to him imjured?

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Lily flowers said:

in all of the examples you stated, their lowest scores after moving to Orser are lower than what they had before.
This season isn’t over yet, once it is, then we can compare.
Also, not to mention, Evgenia’s scores were completely maxed out before. That needs to be taken into account

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Lily flowers said:

I meant lets wait, maybe her best performances under Orser are yet to come.

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Lily flowers said:

in all of the examples you stated, their lowest scores after moving to Orser are lower than what they had before.
This season isn’t over yet, once it is, then we can compare.
Also, not to mention, Evgenia’s scores were completely maxed out before. That needs to be taken into account

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malya said:

IDF: nobody is counting on Konstantinova? I liked her in Helsinki and thought she got hit pretty bad with the PCS and could get more... but maybe they will take a closer look at her jump landings in France.

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neusw said:

She also got quite a few URs ignored. I'm afraid the score she got at Helsinki is close to her realistic maximum assuming fair tech calls and some rise in PCS.

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moriel said:

not that
Konstantinova is in the mix only because she had a skate of her life. Its like considering Kolyada for medals at Worlds this year just because he medaled last year.

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Spirals for Miles said:

Notes from Mishin Cup SP today:
1. Viktoria Safonova has a 3Lz-3Lo now!
2. Ksusha Sinitsyna is going back to 3Lz-3T in the SP - we will see about FS
3. Stanislava Molchanova is starting to catch my eye - no videos, but this is her second good SP - especially for someone not from Moscow or St. Petersburg (is KRA Krasnoyarsk?)

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moriel said:

not that
Konstantinova is in the mix only because she had a skate of her life. Its like considering Kolyada for medals at Worlds this year just because he medaled last year.

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moriel said:

YUNA: lowest score the year before moving to orser: 168. lowest score the year after: 180
Hanyu: lowest score the year before: 226. Lowest score after 243.
Fernandez: lowest score the year before: 184. Lowest score the year after: 204

Exactly, in which of the examples I stated their lower score after moving to Orser are lower than what they had before?

If we compare lowest scores, you don't really need to wait for the season to end, unless you expect Zhenya to bomb even harder than she already did.

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