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topic:Btw, i heard that Plushenko's son has won Cup of Plushenko? What a surprise
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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topic:Btw, i heard that Plushenko's son has won Cup of Plushenko? What a surprise
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I think both branches summed up together would lose on this.
Sport skating would have to fight for revenue against many popular 'extreme games' disciplines, begining with a label of "boring, pretty girls dancing around the ice". Not very promising start.
Artistic skating audience would probably aged out with time, apart from die hard fans and specialists. Mass viewers looking for drama and beautiful costumes would probably focus on dance.
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Idk if you were referring to my post or not, but either way I actually disagree with this. The beauty of figure skating for me is that it combines athleticism and art. If you take out the artistic part, you lose something beautiful. You might as well get rid of the music, the costumes and the choreography and have a jumping competition.
There are so many bautiful artistic skaters (Javi, Yuzuru, Stephane Lambiel, Carolina to name a few) who also have great technical abilities. I think what makes a true champion is having both things.
This doesn't diminish the athletic achievements of people like Trusova, for example, but at the same time I find myself preferring to watch, for example, Kostornaia or Medvedeva or Higuchi, who are also brilliant technically although not as monstruous as Sasha, but can skate to the music, interpret it, make me feel something. Figure skating should be about having it all. That's just my opinion
Absolutely agree with this!
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Btw, i heard that Plushenko's son has won Cup of Plushenko? What a surprise
No closet time now for the boy.
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There should be medals for both the short program and long brown program and an overall gold silver and bronze medalists for world and Olympic competitions and Nationals and Europeans and so on. Gymnastics has many disciplines and medals for each discipline as do swimming and many other sports why not figure skating? They should go back a couple of Olympics and readjust things if you know what I mean.
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While there may be a difference in PCS from Anna and Sasha, I can't see them making it THAT different. In terms of national champion, I can't see them giving Anna more than a few points above Sasha, which is still MANY points below Zhenya/Alina. She deserves more, but they won't score her that way I don't think. Not when she's a junior. And yes, Sasha is one thing and Alena is another. But between Sasha and Alena, there's 1 point. Do you think the gap in PCS between Anna and Alena is bigger than Sasha and Alena? If not, then likely Anna will have 1 point higher, which still makes it only 2 points higher. So even with Sasha's TES, the total score will still be below what Alina and Zhenya scored at olympics (without national overscoring). It's just very difficult for juniors to be national champion when there are seniors that they would rather push as Russian #1, and still junior nationals for junior #1, if you see what I'm saying. As for TES potential, we haven't seen her quads in programs. Sasha also showed she can have 2 quads planned (whether executed or not is a different story). I'm rooting for her, but we haven't seen it yet. Again, it's not about potential, more like scoring bias. PCS is not a way for juniors to score high, there's a cap thats much lower than seniors. TES (by way of BV) is the only thing that can be used to ensure a higher score, as BV is not subjective at all. But even trying to increase BV for junior, it's hard to overcome the PCS given to a senior, even if the gap should be much smaller, in practice, it never is.
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Hmm... The PCS difference between Kostornaia and Zagitova was only 9 points in Russian senior nationals. And would I think that a top form Shcherbakova could get more PCS than Kostornaia did? I certainly do. As for the quads? Well, we're going to have to wait and see, of course. But two of them would already be more than enough to close the PCS gap. Remember that Trusova didn't have a choreo sequence - Her TES would actually have been around 95.
Of course, it's me being an optimist in many ways. But I don't think it at all is impossible depending on what Shcherbakova is able to do when it comes to jumps. Remember that the backloading limitations would hurt Zagitova more.
I really dont think that the PCs gat at *senior* nationals will be higher than 10 points. Because we cannot really compare all junior competitions with all senior competitions, and at nationals it seems more even.
If Sasha or Anna hit 92+ TES at nationals, they totally can win.
If Sasha or Anna hit 92+ TES at nationals, they totally can win.
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SP would help a lot to prevent juniors winning senior nats. In ladies SP you can't put a quad (yet) and Anna/Sasha haven't mastered 3A (Sasha have attempted but it was almost 2 seasons ago and yet since) so they won't have any advantages in SP. Meanwhile Alena have 3A so she might have advantage if she do it clean in SP. But she has no quad for FP yet unlike Anna/Sasha. So with seniors getting high PCS it would widen the gap so even if the juniors won the FP scoring higher than seniors, seniors still win with SP score gap.
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I’m still insanely curious about who will be the newest Russian wunderkind this season! The best juniors from last season are still too young! All signs point to Daria... (Samodurova’s jumps are not superb enough and Guliakova is not beloved by her federation)
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Daria will SLAY!! Or so I can hope
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Stasya may explode this season, which would basically mean she improves mentality to stop stupid falls - everything else is there: charisma, physicality, fan's love.
She's a fighter, she must know this has to be breakout season for her, before 2003/2004 "monsters" arrive.
Stasya may explode this season, which would basically mean she improves mentality to stop stupid falls - everything else is there: charisma, physicality, fan's love.
She's a fighter, she must know this has to be breakout season for her, before 2003/2004 "monsters" arrive.
I would disagree. She indeed has the fed's love, but thats all.
I know she is your favorite, but honestly, after JW and Worlds, no more chances for her, hopefully. There are much better skaters that deserve it much more.
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Sorry I don't get the hype in Daria. Her skating looks labored, and her programs are the ultimate examples of Russian tackiness.
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For seniors? Anna Tarusina! :luv17: Perhaps not a household name but she was the most consistent skater last season. I believe she skated clean in every program.
For juniors, it's Anna Shcherbakova.
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I don't see Tarusina becoming a senior this season. Although she is age eligible, she has no international experience much less been to the JGP.
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Well... She's not been to the JGP but she's been assigned to the JGP... I guess that's something!
Still, being consistent is a pretty big deal with Russian senior ladies, I'd imagine. I really doubt they want to repeat this year's disaster that they got by sending inconsistent skaters like Konstantinova and Sotskova. Really, the only reason they maintained three spots is due to immensely generous calls. Sotskova deserved at least 5 more URs than she got.
Tarusina's main competition would be Panenkova and I consider Tarusina stronger in PCS and spins. And she hasn't been falling. She also has stronger domestic history and status. And she's CSKA.
Gubanova would also be a thing, I guess. It depends on whether she can stay consistent.
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Yeah, honestly it was so scary. I was worried for Russian Ladies' spots after Medevedeva withdrew, and to have those worries almost come true...!
But honestly, it doesn't make sense for Tarusina to become a senior. She has no world ranking or reputation at all. It would make more sense for Gubanova to go senior than for Tarusina to do so, and most people seem to think that Gubanova is forced to remain a junior precisely because of insufficient world ranking/SB.
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So the issue is, Gubanova will definitely get JGP spots. Will Tarusina? She might, of course. If she gets two spots, she likely should stay in juniors. But the competition will be rough considering that there will only be just about one single spot available after all the obvious ones get their.
As for seniors? After Medvedeva and Zagitova, it's far weaker and it'll be much easier for a skater to make an impact. All the others are inconsistent or falling out of favor. There's plenty of room to make an impact. If Tarusina has a couple of clean competitions with smooth landings, her PCS should be fine. Consistency tends to be rewarded quite handsomely. And I assume that CSKA will be eager to push someone from their school who isn't an UR machine like Sotskova. It could be Gubanova, it could be Tarusina. I'd be fine with both. But I wish Tarusina more success because of what happened to her.
