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Thread: 2018-19 U.S. Ladies' figure skating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual View Post
    Sorry, jumping late into discussion.

    It's true that the costs of getting into figure skating are prohibitive for many. However, it's not just about costs.

    It's also about not allowing our kids to be treated too harshly or made into invalids, in the name of mass-producing champions for the nation.

    I don't think that should change, and if it does, I don't think we'd like it. Sports should be for pleasure and benefit for the kids, not for national pride.

    Look at gymnastics and where that attitude had led them. They won gold medals, but also let their little girls be abused. Was it worth it? Not at all.
    I don't think anyone wants any children (or adults for that matter) to be abused. I just think there has to be a better way than Gofundmes and begging for money, and if your family doesn't have money to begin with, too bad for you. If I had children who wanted to go into figure skating, it just couldn't happen, so when I have a few extra dollars I will give it so someone else's kids might be able to skate. Apparently Nathan has said if it wasn't for Michael Weiss he would not be where he is today, and guess what, that foundation is no more. Some kids want to be champions, while others just want to skate recreationally. I used to do karate and one of the core beliefs of that style of karate was that money should not keep a person from doing karate, so we did fundraisers and most of the teachers donated their time to teach and we made it happen. Obviously it is far cheaper to maintain a dojo than it is a skating rink. I don't have the answers and don't pretend to, but I don't think the answer should be "If you are fortunate enough to be born into a family with money and have talent, passion and desire you may make it to elite level, but if you are unfortunate enough to be born into a family with little money and have passion, talent and desire you will not make it to elite level, because the money is not there."

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonvine View Post
    ... if it wasn't for Michael Weiss he would not be where he is today, and guess what, that foundation is no more.
    Is the Michael Weiss Foundation out of business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Is the Michael Weiss Foundation out of business?
    From what everyone can tell, yes. The show is no more. https://www.michaelweiss.org/ now goes to a generic fitness site with the contact me section going to an address in Ontario. Perhaps the show was no longer bringing in enough to make it worth it? I just don't know.

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    Hopefully for the future our wonderful Nathan will set up a similar foundation after he graduates, works, and continues to skate!!

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    I asked MW's mom about it awhile back.

    The show was alot of work and it was put on by volunteers, mainly his family. Not only that, most of his contemporaries were getting older so it was just getting harder and harder. Basically the family decided it was a good run and all good things come to an end.

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    An insightful article about Mariah Bell two days after 4CC: http://figureskatersonline.com/news/...st-my-passion/

    Some key things to note:
    - Plans to skate for another four years at a MINIMUM
    - Raf told her that after this season, they may start adding new jumps/combos
    - Very disappointed in herself with her Long at 4CC, but says that after resting for a bit and going back to training, she’s ready for Worlds
    - She’s indifferent about the “age factor” in figure skating and thinks that as long as you keep your body and mind healthy, you can skate for as long as you want
    - Looks up to Carolina Kostner
    - Thinks Raf is a “big teddy bear” on the inside

    Maybe we should start calling Mariah the “young soul” because that truly describes her and regardless of her placement, the strides she’s made this year are amazing. Her performances are captivating and it’s only a matter of time before the PCS start to fly in. I truly hope for a Top 6 placement at Worlds for her. Good luck Mariah.

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    Thank you so much for this, Natsulian.

    Mariah does have a delightful personality, and, I should think, an open and giving heart, for she gives so much of herself to her performances. There is no impediment between her, the music, and the movement, for they become one with her.

    As for her "young soul," perhaps that is another way of referring to an essential innocence and a willingness to believe.

    May it always be so for her.

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    Mariah seems so lovely - inside and out!

    Hoping for many more years of skating for her!

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    Quote Originally Posted by concorde View Post
    First you cannot choose which sport you child will be interested in. I always thought mine would choose swimming but my child chose ice skating. So we do that. Swimming is not a "cheap" activity because you need a facility and those are expensive to maintain. Yes it cheaper than ice skating but everything is relative. Have you ever noticed that for the most part, swimmers come from more affluent families? That should be a good indicator about the expenses involved.

    My husband when to college on 4-year scholarship to a Division I school. He once commented that his senior year he spent the night in 26 different hotel rooms (that is ALOT of missed classes). He is very proud he graduated in 4 years without taking summer school - not a lot of 4-year Division I scholarship athletes can say that. He also said that unless we were desperate, he would rather we pay than send our kids on college on one of those scholarships. He was a swimmer - All American and met the Olympic cuts. After he graduated, he did go in a pool for about 10+ years. We met year later at a pool - he was lap swimming and I was teaching swim lessons.

    While ice skating may not offer college scholarships, I think ice skating does offer more opportunities to make money than alot of other sports - Disney on Ice and cruise ships want skaters. Long-term skaters have a realistic shot of getting one of those positions (we have known several). Some kids go to college and then the Peace Corps - I see another option as college then Disney on Ice which allows to the skater to travel while earning some money.

    Also, you make alot more giving private lessons in ice skating than in swimming. I taught private lesson through the county and I know how much the swimming parents pay compared to how much I pay for ice skating private lessons. Coaching can be made into an income stream during the college years.
    Well said. Thank you.

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    Gracie will be on the today show tomorrow speaking on mental health and her future in skating. Very excited to see!

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    Just posted in Alysa Liu's FF so thought I would add it here too...
    BBC America interview where she demonstrates the top 4 skating tips.. 1) flow & speed; 2) how to stop; 3) jumps; 4) spins.. made me smile.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...-a-triple-axel

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    Quote Originally Posted by macy View Post
    Gracie will be on the today show tomorrow speaking on mental health and her future in skating. Very excited to see!
    Eep, I am afraid.

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    Has the Gracie Gold segment aired yet on the today show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluediamonds09 View Post
    Has the Gracie Gold segment aired yet on the today show?

    So strange. It doesn’t seem to have aired?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aml78 View Post
    So strange. It doesn’t seem to have aired?
    Don't they know there are people out here having panic attacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonvine View Post
    Don't they know there are people out here having panic attacks?
    On this dedicated thread Ic3rabbit reports that Savanna Guthrie was out sick today.

    https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...the-Today-show

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    I think Gracie likes the limelight. She can't seem to stay away from the camera or media. She is kind of like the cat that came back she claws her way back into the media centre somehow and some way. I kind of hope she finds what she is l ooking for and can smile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    I think Gracie likes the limelight. She can't seem to stay away from the camera or media. She is kind of like the cat that came back she claws her way back into the media centre somehow and some way. I kind of hope she finds what she is l ooking for and can smile.
    To be fair, in this day and age the only way to earn endorsement deals is to stay in the limelight. To me, she seems naturally introverted so I don't feel like she especially likes having a lot of attention focused on her.

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    I have heard on Twitter that the interview will air tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaPat View Post
    I remember it differently.

    'After last year's Nationals, I suppose we were all ready to crown "I never fall" Bradie the savior of American skating. ' sums it up nicely for me, thought I think the enthusiasm actually started after Skate America.

    Not all. I was never on the "I Never Fall" Bradie bandwagon. This year she's had a target on her back, though, and that's a whole new ballgame. She still doesn't thrill me as a skater, but I love and extremely admire her SP. At least it fits her.

    I do cross my fingers and hope for both her and my girl Mariah to put together great skates for Worlds.

    I'm all in, on the Alysa Liu bandwagon, though. We'll see how that will pan out.

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