2018-19 Canadian figure skating
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Does this provide any real benefits on competition? From my noob point of view, Larkyn’s programs, for example, are very simple and will never get a good PCS (her program, you know, this is how to open a video in YouTube with FS-program of 20 years ago).
So, do you think that a lady can learn to perform the (7+2)-program and jump on difficult jumps and combo at a later age? And that this is a working, stable, scheme for everyone, and not for individual uniques (Osmond)? In Russia, there is another point of view - that jumps need to be learned before puberty.
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Skate Canada agrees that jumps should be learned earlier. It's part of the new orientation that just started a couple years ago.
Where I disagree with you is on Larkyn's programs for instance. You have to see the speed and flow of many of the Canadian ladies, including Larkyn. Yes, a lot of the Russian girls do lots of turns and transitions, but their movements are not always finished or refined and the flow is not maintained while doing those. I guess, it's a question of taste. I prefer less but better to more but not so refined. Of course, some Russian skaters have quality as well... but that's not the norm... so I could compare them to what you say about Osmond... that she is unique in the sense that she has both the skills promoted by the federation and the jumps needed to win medals.
What is interesting to note though is that with a smaller field, good basic skating will bring you a long way : there are Canadian girls who have jumps without basic skating skills... they are far away from the podium. In fact, the junior girl who have joined the elite is Cotop, and she is a beautiful skater. You can watch Emily Bausback and Olivia Gran : fine they may not always be consistent but they have their jumps... though they will not do well in seniors until they refine their skating.
Agreed that Larkyn's programs are simple. But at Cup of Tyrol, where she was skating against seasoned skaters, she had the third highest PCS in both SP and FS. It is her TES that is holding her back, because of her lack of consistency with the higher value elements.
Despite falling on an underrotated 3f and popping 3 jumps, Larkyn got high PCS and finished 5th overall, which means she gets World Ranking list points. Unfortunately, she won't get a new SB because only ISU championship and Challenger events count for SB.
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Who is D/B? Sorry brain freeze.
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We will respond in time just as we have after Karen, Liz, Joannie, Gabby and Kaetlyn, all mature women who became either World Champions, Olympic and World medalists, not to mention that 50% of total World podiums currently, have been claimed by Canadian women the past 2 seasons.
For a country with less citizens than the Ukraine, Poland or the state of California, is remarkable. Aurora Cotop has possibly the best coach as Ravi knows how to take raw ingredients and a strong work ethic, to make a skater extraordinary, especially post puberty. There are reasons why Medvedeva chose Canada to train, as she wanted a career after 17. "Holy puberty" indeed, Orlov!
We will respond in time just as we have after Karen, Liz, Joannie, Gabby and Kaetlyn, all mature women who became either World Champions, Olympic and World medalists, not to mention that 50% of total World podiums currently, have been claimed by Canadian women the past 2 seasons.
You've forgotten a few:
1947-48 Barbara Ann Scott - Olympic gold, 2 World Championships
1964-65 Petra Burka - Olympic bronze, World Championship
1972-73 Karen Magnussen - Olympic silver, World Championship
1988 Elizabeth Manley - Olympic silver, World silver
2009-10 Joannie Rochette - World silver, Olympic bronze
2017-18 Kaetlyn Osmond - World silver, Olympic bronze, World Championship
There are some huge gaps in between outstanding skaters.
If Kaetlyn doesn't return to competition, there may be another gap coming, hence "respond in time".
Evgenia Medvedeva chose BRIAN ORSER, an outstanding coach known for guiding top elite international skaters (Yuzuru Hanyu, Javier Fernandez, Junhwan Cha, to name a few); Orser just happens to live and work in Canada.
Ravi Walia is best known as Osmond's coach.
I'm thinking that refers to Duhamel/Radford, in the context (followed by Moore-Towers/Marinaro). Unless it means Seguin/Bilodeau.
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Yes chuckm, we are well aware of this fact. My point is she chose to come to Canada as our coaching strategies, training techniques as in the need for speed and strong basic skating skills, as well as having short term and long term career goals and overall coaching methods are different than what she had experienced previously. Being 16 and done, cannot be fun.
PCS were high in both programs but considering she isn’t trying harder jumping passes this does not surprise me.
I know I'm not the person you were asking, but as a casual observer--one who is not Canadian and has not seen the young munchkins coming up in Canada below the junior level but who has watched a lot of skating over the years--I'll take a stab at your question. First, I'll preface it by saying that for anyone who has watched the ebb & flow of Canadian women's senior skating over the past 3 decades, I personally view the results from the 2017 World Championships as a miracle. To have not one but two Canadian ladies on the podium, it was really a surprising result even at the time. Nationals was very well skated, but even so I don't think this result would have matched most people's predictions for the event and didn't really seem likely until the actual week of Worlds when it became clear that both Gabby & Kaetlyn were at the top of their game during the practice sessions. It would not be much of an understatement, IMO, to say that two medals at Worlds for Canadian women is about as astonishing as two medals at Worlds might be for U.S. pairs. Really it was quite phenomenal and can be appreciated for how unique that moment was over the decades.
Now, as far as the rebuilding is concerned, my guess is that it could take a while. I haven't watched the Canadian ladies at the lower levels so I don't know how long a while. But I do know about two fairly common phenomenon . . .
1. Canada tends to "hang on" to their top athletes longer than the U.S. & Russia. They tend to bring back athletes out of retirement/the professional ranks or maintain incentive for skating even after top athletes have passed their peak. (I honestly don't know how the Canadian Fed does this, but my guess is that it is a combination of funding/sponsorships/tradition/limited internal competition). Often skaters will do an "extra" quad. Similar to how Romanian gymnastics always used to keep a former top athlete on the team to serve as a leader. I look at athletes like Kaetlyn & Gabby, and I think in the U.S. or Russia, they would be done or at least the odds would be very low that they would be at the Olympics in a couple years. But I find with Canada, athletes of this caliber tend to show back up when the next Olympic season rolls around. So while the odds do not look particularly good that these ladies will be there in Beijing, because we are talking about Canada, there is probably a decent chance that at least one of them will be there.
2. When you have an Olympic or World Champion, you inspire a new generation. One that is at the "right" age for getting into a sport. There's quite a delay. These kids are usually @6 years (4-8) years old. (We are seeing that post-Yuna generation coming up now in Korea. We've been seeing the post-Mao one come up in Japan for quite a while). My guess would be that there will be a post-Kaetlyn one in Canada. But it will take a while. Usually takes 2 quadrenniums for the first wave to show up & three to hit its peak.
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for the poetry.16 and done -- that's no fun.
19 and free -- going for 3.
Or --
Off to Saitama, there she will seek a
'Nother world title, but has to beat Rika!
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Oh my - that doesn't sound very impressive for an olympian and national medallist. Yikes.
Good that Canada sent Larkyn out but moving forward I would think it’s maybe better to give others a shot, atleast until we see more triples coming from Larkyn. I have to agree that they gave her opportunities and she was not able to deliver.
Canada does have Junior and even some Novice Ladies with multiple triples-I hope the Novice can keep up with their growth spurts.
I do like Cotop, Schumacher and others headed out in senior this year, but think these upcoming juniors will keep me intrigued-more then one seem to be the ‘whole package’ technical side, performance, grace and presence.
Canada does have Junior and even some Novice Ladies with multiple triples-I hope the Novice can keep up with their growth spurts.
I do like Cotop, Schumacher and others headed out in senior this year, but think these upcoming juniors will keep me intrigued-more then one seem to be the ‘whole package’ technical side, performance, grace and presence.
Is it really the end of the world if Canada happens to be in a drought for women's skating right now? :think: Every country has its weaknesses, and we've been incredibly lucky to have had the Pyeongchang powerhouse team roster for such a long time. People retire, go on break, move on, and there aren't always hungry birds pecking at the wing to fill the vacuum just yet. The next World champion probably, erm, won't be Canadian (GO RIKA! 
) But in a few more years...? Give it time, people. It's skating, not a war 
(GO RIKA! ) But in a few more years...? Give it time, people. It's skating, not a war 
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Ah yes, what I refer to fondly as Tara Lipinski syndrome. :sarcasm:
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Is it really the end of the world if Canada happens to be in a drought for women's skating right now? :think: Every country has its weaknesses, and we've been incredibly lucky to have had the Pyeongchang powerhouse team roster for such a long time. People retire, go on break, move on, and there aren't always hungry birds pecking at the wing to fill the vacuum just yet. The next World champion probably, erm, won't be Canadian
For some people....it's always war...
According to the results page, Larkyn placed 5th in the long but finished 6th overall. So, no ranking points for her.
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Is it really the end of the world if Canada happens to be in a drought for women's skating right now? :think: Every country has its weaknesses, and we've been incredibly lucky to have had the Pyeongchang powerhouse team roster for such a long time. People retire, go on break, move on, and there aren't always hungry birds pecking at the wing to fill the vacuum just yet. The next World champion probably, erm, won't be Canadian
Btw, if your definition of a few years is the amount of time between Karen Magnussen and Kaetlyn Osmond, then....:eeking:
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