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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavi... View Post
    Similarly, I’m curious about the apparent discrepancy in the 4CC tech panel’s calling of under rotations between the men’s short and long programs.
    I have often wondered if the tech panels are deliberately more lenient for short programs than for long. The idea would be that you don't want to knock someone so far down in the SP that the LP becomes a foregone conclusion.

    That seemed to be the case under 6.0 judging, too. A star skater who is a favorite for the podium but skated a bad short was often (so it seemed to me) held up to no worse than 4th or 5th in order to give him at least the possibility of redeeming himself in the long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I have often wondered if the tech panels are deliberately more lenient for short programs than for long. The idea would be that you don't want to knock someone so far down in the SP that the LP becomes a foregone conclusion.

    That seemed to be the case under 6.0 judging, too. A star skater who is a favorite for the podium but skated a bad short was often (so it seemed to me) held up to no worse than 4th or 5th in order to give him at least the possibility of redeeming himself in the long.
    That’s definitely plausible here.

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    I don't know if individual tech panel members ever take it on themselves to adjust their severity down or up depending whether they're calling short or long programs.

    But the system itself is designed to be more punitive in the short program.

    For example, if the ISU decision makers really wanted to keep more skaters in play for medals after the SP, they wouldn't have introduced the rule a few years ago that jumps with too few rotations in the SP get no value at all, as opposed to just -3 (now -5) GOE.

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    ^ Yes, the rules are definite about mistakes on elements. There is nothing the tech panel or judges can do if the skater pops, falls, omits a requirement, etc.

    But I still wonder about judgement calls on unclear edges and under-rotations. It seems possible that skaters get the benefit of the doubt more often in the short program? I think if I were an official I might have a subconscious feeling of, "OK, here we go. Let's get everybody off to a good start. On with the show!" Whereas the long, maybe I would be thinking, "Now its time to separate the men from the boys."

    (Reason #5381 why I am not a figure skating judge.)

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    Has this article about Ryan Dunk been shared?

    https://www.wbaltv.com/article/heref...nship/26307322

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    John Wilson Blades interview with Tomoki!
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