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    Comparing to GPF 2013, where it did get ratified: https://youtu.be/hx_ui1MJbmA?t=4m3s

    Looks like in Sochi he leans more onto his right foot, so the shift in weight probably lost him the combo.

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    Yes, he shifted the weight on the free foot before the 3 Salchow, and because of that, that last jump couldn't count as part of a combination as Yuzuru intended to do. Because of the weight change, that 3S was out of the combination, whereas the 3Lz-1Lo were in combination; 3S should have been called as a sequence with the 3Lz and the 1Lo, but you can't do a 3 jumps sequence (you can do a 3 jumps combination bun only a 2 jumps sequence). So they had to call the 3Lz-1lo, because it was executed as a single element, but they had to call it as a sequence because he executed the 3S after those 2 jumps after the weight shifting.
    If you pause the video at the exact frame in which Yuzuru executes the 1Lo, you can clearly see how he lost his balance a little bit and then his free foot was touching the ice before the take off of the Salchow: https://youtu.be/hUskvEAITdE?t=246

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopinskate View Post
    Comparing to GPF 2013, where it did get ratified: https://youtu.be/hx_ui1MJbmA?t=4m3s

    Looks like in Sochi he leans more onto his right foot, so the shift in weight probably lost him the combo.
    I guess it's good I'm not part of a technical panel as I had to watch the Sochi one repeatedly to realize there's a very slight pause before the 3S, which I guess is where the weight shift occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marius View Post
    Yes, he shifted the weight on the free foot before the 3 Salchow, and because of that, that last jump couldn't count as part of a combination as Yuzuru intended to do. Because of the weight change, that 3S was out of the combination, whereas the 3Lz-1Lo were in combination; 3S should have been called as a sequence with the 3Lz and the 1Lo, but you can't do a 3 jumps sequence (you can do a 3 jumps combination bun only a 2 jumps sequence). So they had to call the 3Lz-1lo, because it was executed as a single element, but they had to call it as a sequence because he executed the 3S after those 2 jumps after the weight shifting.
    If you pause the video at the exact frame in which Yuzuru executes the 1Lo, you can clearly see how he lost his balance a little bit and then his free foot was touching the ice before the take off of the Salchow: https://youtu.be/hUskvEAITdE?t=246
    So back then this kind of thing meant losing the third jump in that combo entirely in the protocols, instead of appearing as a 3S* like it does nowadays?

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    I forgot that it's actually Yazunori Hanyu who won GPF 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xeyra View Post
    So back then this kind of thing meant losing the third jump in that combo entirely in the protocols, instead of appearing as a 3S* like it does nowadays?
    Practically, yes. Having called the 3Lz+1Lo+SEQ., they called the 3Lz-1Lo as a sequence itself, and given that the sequence could only consist of 2 jumping elements the 3S did not even appear in the protocols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopinskate View Post
    I forgot that it's actually Yazunori Hanyu who won GPF 2013.

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