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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinning View Post
    Or add more GPs all together. Too many skaters too few spots on the current system anyway. Europe could have one more. Australia and South America are good destination too!
    That is what I have been saying for years (for example, here is a thread I started on the subject 5 years ago). Have 8 GP's altogether, with 2 in each of the 4 main figure skating regions:

    The Americas (mainly North America)
    Western Europe
    Eastern Europe
    Asia / Pacific (mainly the Far East)

    And have 12 entries in all categories at each GP.

    But, the problem is money. Adding more events to the Senior GP Series, and having more skaters competing at them, would be too costly for the ISU.

    So, if you have a few bob lying down the back of the sofa...

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    Another problem with adding two more GPs is time. Eight events would push the GPF out two more weeks, into Nationals/holiday time for many federations.

    It might also be difficult to fill 12 pairs entries at 8 events. Sometimes these days pairs events go off with less than 7 pairs. 10 entries might be more reasonable for pairs, and even then that could be tough to fill, because of injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan View Post
    That is what I have been saying for years (for example, here is a thread But, the problem is money. Adding more events to the Senior GP Series, and having more skaters competing at them, would be too costly for the ISU.

    So, if you have a few bob lying down the back of the sofa...

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    I doubt that money will be the issues in this case. Major events could get sponsorship quite easily. And many countries have government funding to pull international sporting events at the ready. ISU is just not practical with changes that's all. It will take years before all feds could find the way to make all parties happy.

    I like your system though. 8 events. 96 spots. Sound about right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Another problem with adding two more GPs is time. Eight events would push the GPF out two more weeks, into Nationals/holiday time for many federations.

    It might also be difficult to fill 12 pairs entries at 8 events. Sometimes these days pairs events go off with less than 7 pairs. 10 entries might be more reasonable for pairs, and even then that could be tough to fill, because of injuries.
    That would really be the bigger issue. I wouldn't like them to start the GP earlier, because it's important that skaters has some off season and lengthening the season (by pushing the whole start forward) could contribute to injuries (certainly a problem in other sports as the seasons get longer). But if the GP finished a couple weeks later that would delay the GPF and conflict with Russia and Japan's Nationals. And for Russia, if they had to push Nationals back by two weeks, then Europeans would be really close.

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    French Nationals are also scheduled mid-December, a week before Russian and Japanese Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Another problem with adding two more GPs is time. Eight events would push the GPF out two more weeks, into Nationals/holiday time for many federations.
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    That would really be the bigger issue. I wouldn't like them to start the GP earlier, because it's important that skaters has some off season and lengthening the season (by pushing the whole start forward) could contribute to injuries (certainly a problem in other sports as the seasons get longer). But if the GP finished a couple weeks later that would delay the GPF and conflict with Russia and Japan's Nationals. And for Russia, if they had to push Nationals back by two weeks, then Europeans would be really close.
    I wouldn't be adverse to starting the Senior GP Series a couple of weeks earlier. The Senior B's are already in full swing in September, and the ISU doesn't seem to worry about the GP's clashing with the Senior B's.

    And I for one would quite like the knock-on effect of starting the Junior GP Series a whole month earlier. It makes sense to me to have the whole of the Junior GP Series during what are the school holidays in the Northern hemisphere (July and August). The Junior season finishes earlier than the Senior season anyway, so they would not lose out compared to the Seniors if their off-season was earlier.

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    It might also be difficult to fill 12 pairs entries at 8 events. Sometimes these days pairs events go off with less than 7 pairs. 10 entries might be more reasonable for pairs, and even then that could be tough to fill, because of injuries.
    As for Pairs, there are plenty of good Pairs partnerships nowadays to fill up 48 double-slots. I know this is not very scientific, but if you look up the World Rankings for the season just finished, you will find that 48th position is occupied by Dušková / Bidař, i.e. the 2016 Junior World Champions. And 2 places below them are Mishina / Galiamov, who recently won the Bronze Medal at the 2018 edition of Junior Worlds.

    The only reason you see empty slots in the likes of the GP Series and the Majors is that the ISU does not make enough slots available in the first place. As you say, injuries and other withdrawals happen. And it is often too late to arrange for replacements, so the slots do not get re-filled. Which is why I made the suggestion of having local "wildcards" on standby to be able to step in if somebody has to withdraw at the last minute.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spinning View Post
    I doubt that money will be the issues in this case. Major events could get sponsorship quite easily. And many countries have government funding to pull international sporting events at the ready. ISU is just not practical with changes that's all. It will take years before all feds could find the way to make all parties happy.

    I like your system though. 8 events. 96 spots. Sound about right!
    Thank you for liking my idea. I appreciate it.

    Whilst I agree that the ISU doesn't like change, I have to disagree with your points about money. Firstly, it isn't easy to get major sponsors any more. Although the FFSG isn't the easiest Fed to work with, and it was their own fault that they lost their GP's long-time title sponsor, the fact that they have been unable to find a replacement in the now-3 years since then says a lot. Also, Skate Canada has had no title sponsor for many years.

    As for government funding, that varies depending on the country and how popular figure skating is in said country.

    But, the main problem is that it is not the event organisers (and their sponsors) but the ISU themselves that have to pay for a lot of the costs associated with holding a GP. For example, paying for bed and board for all the officials. And, as has been pointed out loads of times over the years whenever I have brought up fantastical new ideas, they are not flush with cash.

    So, although my ideas may be nice in theory, unless there is a major injection of cash to the ISU, it ain't going to happen.

    Anyway, this is getting quite far off the topic of the thread. So, apologies for that.

    CaroLiza_fan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinning View Post
    I doubt that money will be the issues in this case. Major events could get sponsorship quite easily. And many countries have government funding to pull international sporting events at the ready. ISU is just not practical with changes that's all. It will take years before all feds could find the way to make all parties happy.

    I like your system though. 8 events. 96 spots. Sound about right!
    Well, unless you're Didier. Then you lose your sponsor easily, not gain them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cathlen View Post
    Well, unless you're Didier. Then you lose your sponsor easily, not gain them...
    As he should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan View Post
    I wouldn't be adverse to starting the Senior GP Series a couple of weeks earlier. The Senior B's are already in full swing in September, and the ISU doesn't seem to worry about the GP's clashing with the Senior B's.

    And I for one would quite like the knock-on effect of starting the Junior GP Series a whole month earlier. It makes sense to me to have the whole of the Junior GP Series during what are the school holidays in the Northern hemisphere (July and August). The Junior season finishes earlier than the Senior season anyway, so they would not lose out compared to the Seniors if their off-season was earlier.
    Except a lot of GP skaters now like to do a CS event or two before their GP events, so those might have to get pushed a bit earlier too. That would be my concern in terms of lengthening the season.

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    Pushing the JGP into July doesn't give the juniors who have competed at JW much time to rest and relax before having to develop and learn programs for the new season. If there are technical changes enacted in June, many programs would have to undergo really last-minute changes for those juniors doing the first few JGP events.

    Ice dancers in particular would have to start working on new SDs as soon as JW was over.

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    For the 8 GP event setup, they can have the last two JGP and first two SGP events combined, respectively, like how they do it for the GPF. This way the JGP schedule stays the same and the senior grand prix series will only be pushed back to the beginning of October.

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