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macy

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Well, I'll be danged. Mykayla Skinner is taking a year off from NCAAs and looking great for such a short practice time. She went out there and threw down a bar routine which quite frankly scared me a bit (she threw huge difficulty in it). Lots of form errors but successful completion with no falls. I wish there were more than 4 spaces for the Olympic team. Fortunately next Olympiad we are back up to 5, but that doesn't help these ladies. Simone had an off night, but is still leading by a lot. Night 2 note: Trinity Thomas (NCAA - Florida) is there competing tremendous difficulty - unfortunately not always successfully, but great job getting here after the NCAA season.

i may or may not have asked this a while ago, but what is the reasoning for the team only being 4 next year? and then being bumped back up to 5? doesn't make much sense to me...

anyone have any predictions as we get closer to Tokyo who will make the US womens team? i think we have a ton of talent that was made evident last weekend and its gonna be really hard to narrow it down.
 

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i may or may not have asked this a while ago, but what is the reasoning for the team only being 4 next year? and then being bumped back up to 5? doesn't make much sense to me...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...1b807c-bba2-11e9-a091-6a96e67d9cce_story.html

Basically they got rid of the guy in charge too late to reverse his dumb idea. The basic rationale was that four person teams emphasis all-around skills over specialists, and that bigger teams with multiple specialists unfairly advantaged the big countries.
 

Edwin

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...1b807c-bba2-11e9-a091-6a96e67d9cce_story.html

Basically they got rid of the guy in charge too late to reverse his dumb idea. The basic rationale was that four person teams emphasis all-around skills over specialists, and that bigger teams with multiple specialists unfairly advantaged the big countries.

Yeah, Dottore Grandi wasn't the best thing that ever happened in FIG history. IOC wanted shorter competitions, got rid of compulsories and then FIG made the teams smaller every cycle, messed up the rules and code every year.
The FIG handling of television rights didn't make the sport more popular either, there is hardly any coverage here and their internet presence is a farce. They even think of having a paywall to access individual competitions and routines I believe.
 

macy

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...1b807c-bba2-11e9-a091-6a96e67d9cce_story.html

Basically they got rid of the guy in charge too late to reverse his dumb idea. The basic rationale was that four person teams emphasis all-around skills over specialists, and that bigger teams with multiple specialists unfairly advantaged the big countries.

ok...so...how exactly does this work with gymnasts such as jade carey? if she makes the team, she won't actually be a part of the 4 athlete "team" if i'm understanding the article correctly? where will she fit into the competition? how does it work with qualifying gymnasts to apparatus finals? as far as i know, she is the only one in the US following this path.

what an unlucky time for mykayla skinner to return...depending how well she does in the next year, that 5th spot might have been hers if it existed. i will be surprised if she makes the team- i think she will end up as an alternate again...i think the field will be too deep, and she isn't strong on all 4 events like they are looking for.
 

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ok...so...how exactly does this work with gymnasts such as jade carey? if she makes the team, she won't actually be a part of the 4 athlete "team" if i'm understanding the article correctly? where will she fit into the competition? how does it work with qualifying gymnasts to apparatus finals? as far as i know, she is the only one in the US following this path.

what an unlucky time for mykayla skinner to return...depending how well she does in the next year, that 5th spot might have been hers if it existed. i will be surprised if she makes the team- i think she will end up as an alternate again...i think the field will be too deep, and she isn't strong on all 4 events like they are looking for.
It’s just... so ridiculously complicated, and I really don’t fully understand the details . I found this which is somewhat helpful: https://balancebeamsituation.com/2018/06/11/2020-olympic-qualification-explained-but-like-actually/

As I understand it, then basically: a country can get one spot by having the World Cup cumulative winner on an apparatus. So, Jade could be the best vaulter during the World Cup apparatus series. This spot is FOR THE INDIVIDUAL ATHLETE. Jade plans to qualify a spot for “Jade Carey of the USA,” and not a spot for “TBD USA gymnast.”

This individual athlete can’t be part of the Team Event, but once they’re in I think that they can take part in all qualifying rounds. So if Jade gets a World Cup vault spot, she could go the Olympics and attempt to qualify for the AA, Floor, Bars, and Beam Finals as well.

Then the US can earn one additional Olympic spot by either having someone place Top 2 in the 2020 Pan-Am All Around, or by being a Top 3 country in the 2020 World Cup all around. Realistically, USA women can achieve both, but only use one. If no one qualifies themselves a spot on the World Cup series then they’ll get both spots. These spots are TBD: the US selection committee can fill them with whoever they want.

The article I linked earlier said Kara Eaker could do the apparatus route but that shouldn’t be possible: she was on the 2018 Worlds team that won gold. Jade specifically dropped out of 2018 Worlds for that reason, to be eligible for a World Cup apparatus spot.

Like I said, a horribly complicated system, and thankfully not sticking around.
 

macy

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It’s just... so ridiculously complicated, and I really don’t fully understand the details . I found this which is somewhat helpful: https://balancebeamsituation.com/2018/06/11/2020-olympic-qualification-explained-but-like-actually/

As I understand it, then basically: a country can get one spot by having the World Cup cumulative winner on an apparatus. So, Jade could be the best vaulter during the World Cup apparatus series. This spot is FOR THE INDIVIDUAL ATHLETE. Jade plans to qualify a spot for “Jade Carey of the USA,” and not a spot for “TBD USA gymnast.”

This individual athlete can’t be part of the Team Event, but once they’re in I think that they can take part in all qualifying rounds. So if Jade gets a World Cup vault spot, she could go the Olympics and attempt to qualify for the AA, Floor, Bars, and Beam Finals as well.

Then the US can earn one additional Olympic spot by either having someone place Top 2 in the 2020 Pan-Am All Around, or by being a Top 3 country in the 2020 World Cup all around. Realistically, USA women can achieve both, but only use one. If no one qualifies themselves a spot on the World Cup series then they’ll get both spots. These spots are TBD: the US selection committee can fill them with whoever they want.

The article I linked earlier said Kara Eaker could do the apparatus route but that shouldn’t be possible: she was on the 2018 Worlds team that won gold. Jade specifically dropped out of 2018 Worlds for that reason, to be eligible for a World Cup apparatus spot.

Like I said, a horribly complicated system, and thankfully not sticking around.

ugh my head hurts :laugh: seriously, i can't believe anyone thought this was a good idea. i'm so glad they're going back to the way it was. it cuts out talent on apparatus finals the way they are doing it next year...we might not see gymnasts who have a gift for one apparatus because they aren't an all arounder.
 

Edwin

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ugh my head hurts :laugh: seriously, i can't believe anyone thought this was a good idea. i'm so glad they're going back to the way it was. it cuts out talent on apparatus finals the way they are doing it next year...we might not see gymnasts who have a gift for one apparatus because they aren't an all arounder.

Personally, I don't particularly care about apparatus finals and their 'one trick ponies'. EF in actual competition are often a splat fest, since the athletes are tired or even barely made it into EF by some suicidal attempt without a decent physical chance of repeating that performance.
For me, the true gymnast is a reasonable all rounder, able to compete 2/3 or 3/4 of the apparatus without disgrace. Obviously, you have the 'arms' and the 'legs' events, esp. in male artistic.

FIG seems to like it, most of their Cup events are EF only. These are easier to follow, only one piece in action, and perhaps easier to produce and better to market too.

We'll see what they make of the newest rules, micromanaging details in artistry is never a good idea, IMO.
 

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What are everyone's world team predictions? I don't envy Tom's position. He could take any mix of the gymnasts and they would win team gold. The real question is do they aim to max out individual medals when making the team.
 

macy

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Personally, I don't particularly care about apparatus finals and their 'one trick ponies'. EF in actual competition are often a splat fest, since the athletes are tired or even barely made it into EF by some suicidal attempt without a decent physical chance of repeating that performance.
For me, the true gymnast is a reasonable all rounder, able to compete 2/3 or 3/4 of the apparatus without disgrace. Obviously, you have the 'arms' and the 'legs' events, esp. in male artistic.

FIG seems to like it, most of their Cup events are EF only. These are easier to follow, only one piece in action, and perhaps easier to produce and better to market too.

We'll see what they make of the newest rules, micromanaging details in artistry is never a good idea, IMO.

dont get me wrong i love AA gymnasts too, perhaps even more than apparatus specialists. but with the focus more on the AA, there is a good chance you won't see the Beth Tweddles, Sanne Wevers, Aliya Mustafinas (although she was a great all arounder as well), Madison Kocians and McKayla Maroneys of the sport. they were all so special to watch because they outdid everyone on their events, and i don't think we will see the same level of skill on AF's next year unfortunately. i hope i'll be surprised.

as for the US team next year barring injuries and illness and worlds this year as well- i think we will see Simone (obvs) and any combo of Riley, Morgan, Suni (loooooove her), Grace, and Jade. Are there 4 or 5 spots for worlds this year?
 

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Madison Kocian in fact was an excellent all arounder, no visible weak apparatus, capable of solid and dependable performance, ideal as the lead off gymnast in the team event, nerves of steel too. Maroney was no slouch either, in IMO, that 2012-2016 team of US gymnasts was one of the strongest the world has ever seen, the Mag 7. Kocian is in NCAA right, and doing well? Maroney apparently lost herself and is sill sort of wandering, soulless, which is a pity.

Biles is almost superhuman, a gymnast of her kind we will likely never see again in our lifetime. She is still humble and pleasant, a real asset to the team and icon for gymnastics world.
 

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Madison Kocian in fact was an excellent all arounder, no visible weak apparatus, capable of solid and dependable performance, ideal as the lead off gymnast in the team event, nerves of steel too. Maroney was no slouch either, in IMO, that 2012-2016 team of US gymnasts was one of the strongest the world has ever seen, the Mag 7. Kocian is in NCAA right, and doing well? Maroney apparently lost herself and is sill sort of wandering, soulless, which is a pity.

Biles is almost superhuman, a gymnast of her kind we will likely never see again in our lifetime. She is still humble and pleasant, a real asset to the team and icon for gymnastics world.

Madison is at UCLA now and I think she still has another year left (may two?). Her first couple years there I think she was still recovering from an injury she got before the Olympics, but she seems to be doing better now.
 

macy

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can't find the interview, but Laurie Hernandez told NBC during women's day 2 competition we will see her competing next year. i'm excited to see her back as many people have doubted her, i just hope it's not a Nastia Liukin-esque comeback. i'm a little concerned she didn't come back earlier like Aly Raisman and Simone to get any kinks out ala Aly at 2015 worlds, and i'm not sure if it will turn out well for her. 4 years out of competition is a long time, but maybe she will surprise us. i always thought she should have stuck around after 2016, she is so talented and fun to watch. it's going to be a blood bath for the remaining 3 spots next year!
 

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dont get me wrong i love AA gymnasts too, perhaps even more than apparatus specialists. but with the focus more on the AA, there is a good chance you won't see the Beth Tweddles, Sanne Wevers, Aliya Mustafinas (although she was a great all arounder as well), Madison Kocians and McKayla Maroneys of the sport. they were all so special to watch because they outdid everyone on their events, and i don't think we will see the same level of skill on AF's next year unfortunately. i hope i'll be surprised.

as for the US team next year barring injuries and illness and worlds this year as well- i think we will see Simone (obvs) and any combo of Riley, Morgan, Suni (loooooove her), Grace, and Jade. Are there 4 or 5 spots for worlds this year?

This sounds like a good analysis. With only 4 spots, and three scores having to count in Team Finals, the women who will make the team will have to be good AA gymnasts, and really excel on at least one (preferably 2) individual event(s). Being a great bar worker (alone) won't be enough to make the team.
 

macy

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if anyone has a stream link to the womens team final tomorrow please share!! :)
 

Edwin

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if anyone has a stream link to the womens team final tomorrow please share!! :)

FIG has restricted YouTube very rigorously it seemed, you need to have VPN both for YouTube and for www.swr.de/sport. Don't know which of either is easier to fool.
 

Edwin

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ugh darn. hopefully it gets uploaded to YT pretty quickly.

There should be illegal re-streams most likely. Check the gymnastics boards for those.
 

macy

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Congrats to the American, Russian and Italian women on their team medals! This is the first women's team medal for Italy since 1950! Huge accomplishment.
 
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