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2018-19 European Ice Dance

Ice Dance

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This is the wrong thread for discussing U.S. Nationals. If you want to know what we "all" know, maybe put it in the U.S. Dance thread? The U.S. dance podium at Nationals has included an "upset of the apple cart" every year for the past three seasons. (I don't personally care for C&B's FD at all. Don't care for H&D's FD at all either). I am most excited about the battle for the bronze. Don't think you can afford to muck up there. You could drop from third to sixth in a heartbeat. Four teams within 4 1/2 points on the SB list, the top three of them ranked back to back to back on the World Standings list. Split SB scores between two of those teams in the short & the free. Could be so good!

Meanwhile, back to European ice dance . . .

My favorite current programs belong to Stepanova & Bukin and Guignard & Fabbri. GPF results say likely one will not make the podium and that I will be :cry: for somebody so that I might as well root for one of them to upset for the silver:).
 

La Rhumba

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Maybe follow your own advice? I merely answered a poster's question succinctly. I'm well aware what thread this is.
 

1904sk8

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Thank you for answering my question. And personally I think S/B will get the bronze but it will be much more clear after the RD (that tango romantica pattern).
 

Ice Dance

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Thank you for answering my question. And personally I think S/B will get the bronze but it will be much more clear after the RD (that tango romantica pattern).

I believe, based on someone else's analysis of the GPF scores, that S&B would have outscored G&F had Ivan not messed up the twizzles.

Now, of course, we wait to see what happens during the next head-to-head. Both teams made a great argument for themselves at the Finland GP so it does seem the judges are open to either team here. But I don't think there's any need to leap to the need for political analysis in order to predict that S&B could come out ahead of G&F. It's quite a logical prediction based on what we've seen thus far. That it might come down to who skates clean and/or that different panels might go in different ways. (I'm still rooting for S&B to get the silver, but--you know--the numbers don't make that argument for me. Only my hopes).
 

BillNeal

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I'm interested in how Turkkila/Versluis stack up here versus Spanish, top Polish, 2nd French, and British teams. They have shown a lot of improvement and promise this season, even beating some of lower-ranked Russian teams including Popova/Mozgov and Evdokimova/Bazin (although these were at home competitions).
 

1904sk8

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Will there be a live stream of the event? Where will I be able to watch? I am not sure if NBC is streaming it
 

DSQ

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Will there be a live stream of the event? Where will I be able to watch? I am not sure if NBC is streaming it

I think it’ll be on the Eurovision website if you’re in a country where no one has bought the rights.
 

Skater Boy

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Thank you for answering my question. And personally I think S/B will get the bronze but it will be much more clear after the RD (that tango romantica pattern).

Well the Italians and SK beat them at GPF so I am not so sure they will get bronze especially with GP and Weapo from Canada looking so good.
 

coldblueeyes

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So proud of Julia and Matthias! They had one of my favorites RDs in the event - and if they weren't competing so early they might have surpassed some other pairs in front of them. Hopefully they can skate an even better FD.
 

Giselle

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The tech caller (dostani) must be blind. P/C so underscored. They should have gotten L4 twizzles, anyone with eyes could see that. The midline was in no way a level 2.

DOSTATNI is incredibly biased, can't believe He is still judging after all of these years.

I remember him from the Delobel/Schoenfelder days in the beginning of IJS :

An ISU committee may decide later if the controller failed to do the job properly, but the damage will be done. The committee won't reverse a bad decision and skaters could suffer, especially when an Olympic gold medal is on the line. The new judging system will be used at the Turin Olympics, only a year away.
Zazoui is the coach of French ice dancing champions Isabelle Delobel and Olivier Schoenfelder, known as the only skaters to attain a lofty level four for footwork this season at the Grand Prix Final.
At the Eric Bompard Grand Prix event in France in November, controller Alexander Gorshkov and specialists Andrzej Dostatni (a former Polish ice dancer who spent years skating with Disney on Ice) and Katerina Mrazova, (a former ice dancer from Czech Republic) handed Delobel and Schoenfelder a level two instead of a higher level three assignment for a midline footwork sequence in the original dance routine.
Delobel and Schoenfelder earned a level three for that sequence at Skate Canada in Halifax last November, and at the Grand Prix Final in Beijing in December.
Contrast Delobel and Schoefelder's assessment with that of Hungarians Nora Hoffman and Attila Elek, who got a level three for the same step sequence at the Paris event, even though judging sources say they made a major mistake.
Zazoui was stunned. Reached at her home in Lyon, France, Zazoui said she was told that Schoenfelder had made a mistake on a twizzle during the sequence, which dropped the level of difficulty.
"I don't understand", she said. "I haven't seen this mistake".
Zazoui said she watched replays of the routine five or six times in the French television truck and it was clear: Schoenfelder's twizzles (a travelling series of turns) were clean and fully rotated.
"This is impossible", she said.
French representatives asked Gorshkov to look at the film and reconsider. He refused.
 

Matt K

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P/C are starting to put me to sleep again. They are sleep skating through their programs. The programs are fine but I hope that there will be competition for them starting next year so that when they win gold in 2022, it will be two performances that are something memorable, mature, and legacy worthy. They need more competition and growth. I don't think H/D will be their competition at all. So it will depend on if/when the Russians want to start challenging.

On a purely non-technical note, I prefer Gabby Papadakis than Guillaume Cizeron even if many people do not.
 

oly2018

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P/C are starting to put me to sleep again. They are sleep skating through their programs. The programs are fine but I hope that there will be competition for them starting next year so that when they win gold in 2022, it will be two performances that are something memorable, mature, and legacy worthy. They need more competition and growth. I don't think H/D will be their competition at all. So it will depend on if/when the Russians want to start challenging.

On a purely non-technical note, I prefer Gabby Papadakis than Guillaume Cizeron even if many people do not.

I agree with you. IMO, they have begun to stagnate and the judges are letting them. I I don't blame them. Why continue to push if you don't have to? H/D won't be their main competition, but I hope someone comes to challenge them. Anybody.

Also, agree with you that Gabby has become the better technician. IDK if it is Guillaume's injuries, but his technical prowess isn't what it was.
 

1904sk8

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I agree with you. IMO, they have begun to stagnate and the judges are letting them. I I don't blame them. Why continue to push if you don't have to? H/D won't be their main competition, but I hope someone comes to challenge them. Anybody.

Also, agree with you that Gabby has become the better technician. IDK if it is Guillaume's injuries, but his technical prowess isn't what it was.

I think Gabi has grown incredibly but I do agree about Guillaume. I think it is a mix of injuries and a program that doesn't suit him perfectly (I much prefer him in the RD and also their exhibition which is their RD from last year). I think he is still the best male ice dancer in the field, gabi has just caught up to him which is good since it makes the partnership stronger. I think their RD this year was a big step forward and I see a lot of growth and maturity, the FD not so much. I don't mind too much because they are bound to have a program that I am not head over heals with in 8 years. Happy that the program I don't love is in the first year of a quad rather than an olympic year. That being said it is still the strongest FD this year just maybe not their personal best.
 

Andrea82

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According to the entry list to Italian Nats, they are waiting to be released from Spain:

"6 Russo Giada - Garcia Jaime *
* Coppia in attesa di release dalla Spagna"


Giada and Jaime skated "outside competition" at Egna Trophy this weekend. Their result counted for Italian internal standings but they were judged by the same panel of the international competition. They scored 135.83 (54.89 in the RD and 80.94 in the FD).
In the RD the main problem was the Tango pattern (1 key point out of 8 and slightly negative GOE).
Twizzles were level 4 in both RD and FS.
In FS the combination spins got only level 2. The Lifts were 2 level 3 and 1 level 4. GOEs were generally flat (overall raised from 40.58 BV to 44.93 TES)
 

Bcash

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Also, agree with you that Gabby has become the better technician. IDK if it is Guillaume's injuries, but his technical prowess isn't what it was.

That’s a curious observation. Can you point to any specific sequence that shows GC’s techniques have regressed? GP’s edge quality, knee action and power was already well matched with GC’s since the 16-17 season IMO.

In terms of skating skills H/D are the most viable candidates for a challenge. I rank S/K’s technical prowess and potential higher than S/B’s. Other than these two teams I don’t see anyone surging up anytime soon.
 

La Rhumba

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French Ice Dance - A Few points of Observation

Apologies in advance if any of my comments offend anybody, I am not trying to be personal, but this is an aesthetic sport/art and it's impossible not to notice body shape and appearance.

Adelina Galyavieva

The new partner of Louis Thauron who appear to be having a very successful debut season, training in Moscow with Anzhelika Krylova.
I'm afraid I have to say I don't like her. From when I saw her skate an annoying 'Comedy' Ballet FD with her previous partner, I took a dislike to her gesturing, winking, over exhuberance in the K&C, but most of all her body shape I find not conducive to aesthetic dance shapes. She has a small neck, her head sits on top of her shoulders and it's very noticeable. Compare her to Juulia Turkkila's beautiful long elegant neck, whom she beat to the Winter Universiade Bronze Medal. That annoyed me, accepted Matthias made a Twizzle error in the RD and Maurizio was fuming in the K&C.
At Europeans they overtook Lauriault/LeGac in the FD, and are pushing for French No.2 couple. My personal favourite for French No.2 Dance couple this season was Julia Wagret & Pierre Souquet whose FD I loved, hope Lyon comes back into favour.

Moving on to the Junior Dancers Loicia Demougeot/Theo le Mercier. I haven't enjoyed their Heavy Rock FD at all this season, and having lived through the era of coiffed Dance Coaches in fur coats - Tarasova, Callaway, Dubova, Linichuk - their coach (I apologise for not knowing her name) always amuses me in the K&C for looking like a country wife. Then I saw Loicia & Theo's Gala performance at JW and was stunned how beautiful it was! This is the direction to go in, kids. Leave the heavy rock behind.
I was also interested at Egna to see this coach's Novice couple who had a good FD to "Spiegel Im Spiegel" by Arvo Paart, and the girl was wearing glasses. I've never seen that before, and wondered how she kept them on during Lifts?
 

Nirti

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Demougeot/Le Mercier's coach is Karine Arribert-Narce. She's the main coach in Villard-de-Lans (french Alps) and train successfully many french junior teams, with very interesting programs. I especially love what did Zoé Blanc & Pierre-Loup Bouquet with her some years ago. Demougeot & Le Mercier still have 2 seasons to skate at junior level, so a good potential for improvement.

Regarding the current french senior teams, I especially like Lauriault & Le Gac, and, even if I have nothing against Galyavieva & Thauron, I hope they will keep their "2nd pair ranking" and improve next season. Galyavieva/Thauron do a very good first season together, let's see how they will find their "common personality".

Turkkila/Versluis really have something more/different than many pairs. The first time I saw them (this fall) I felt a kind of "wow effect", so in the head-to-head between them and Galyavieva/Thauron, I vote for the Finns too.
 
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