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    This is the wrong thread for discussing U.S. Nationals. If you want to know what we "all" know, maybe put it in the U.S. Dance thread? The U.S. dance podium at Nationals has included an "upset of the apple cart" every year for the past three seasons. (I don't personally care for C&B's FD at all. Don't care for H&D's FD at all either). I am most excited about the battle for the bronze. Don't think you can afford to muck up there. You could drop from third to sixth in a heartbeat. Four teams within 4 1/2 points on the SB list, the top three of them ranked back to back to back on the World Standings list. Split SB scores between two of those teams in the short & the free. Could be so good!

    Meanwhile, back to European ice dance . . .

    My favorite current programs belong to Stepanova & Bukin and Guignard & Fabbri. GPF results say likely one will not make the podium and that I will be for somebody so that I might as well root for one of them to upset for the silver.

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    Maybe follow your own advice? I merely answered a poster's question succinctly. I'm well aware what thread this is.

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    Thank you for answering my question. And personally I think S/B will get the bronze but it will be much more clear after the RD (that tango romantica pattern).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1904sk8 View Post
    Thank you for answering my question. And personally I think S/B will get the bronze but it will be much more clear after the RD (that tango romantica pattern).
    I believe, based on someone else's analysis of the GPF scores, that S&B would have outscored G&F had Ivan not messed up the twizzles.

    Now, of course, we wait to see what happens during the next head-to-head. Both teams made a great argument for themselves at the Finland GP so it does seem the judges are open to either team here. But I don't think there's any need to leap to the need for political analysis in order to predict that S&B could come out ahead of G&F. It's quite a logical prediction based on what we've seen thus far. That it might come down to who skates clean and/or that different panels might go in different ways. (I'm still rooting for S&B to get the silver, but--you know--the numbers don't make that argument for me. Only my hopes).

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    I'm interested in how Turkkila/Versluis stack up here versus Spanish, top Polish, 2nd French, and British teams. They have shown a lot of improvement and promise this season, even beating some of lower-ranked Russian teams including Popova/Mozgov and Evdokimova/Bazin (although these were at home competitions).

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    Will there be a live stream of the event? Where will I be able to watch? I am not sure if NBC is streaming it

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1904sk8 View Post
    Will there be a live stream of the event? Where will I be able to watch? I am not sure if NBC is streaming it
    I think it’ll be on the Eurovision website if you’re in a country where no one has bought the rights.

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    Do you know if anyone in the US is streaming it?

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    https://usfigureskatingfanzone.com/s...-schedule.aspx

    It says NBCSN? It’s not live unfortunately due to the US Nationals overlap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1904sk8 View Post
    Thank you for answering my question. And personally I think S/B will get the bronze but it will be much more clear after the RD (that tango romantica pattern).
    Well the Italians and SK beat them at GPF so I am not so sure they will get bronze especially with GP and Weapo from Canada looking so good.

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    Sadly I was right about Plutowska/Flemin not making the FD...

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    So proud of Julia and Matthias! They had one of my favorites RDs in the event - and if they weren't competing so early they might have surpassed some other pairs in front of them. Hopefully they can skate an even better FD.

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    The tech caller (dostani) must be blind. P/C so underscored. They should have gotten L4 twizzles, anyone with eyes could see that. The midline was in no way a level 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1904sk8 View Post
    The tech caller (dostani) must be blind. P/C so underscored. They should have gotten L4 twizzles, anyone with eyes could see that. The midline was in no way a level 2.
    DOSTATNI is incredibly biased, can't believe He is still judging after all of these years.

    I remember him from the Delobel/Schoenfelder days in the beginning of IJS :

    An ISU committee may decide later if the controller failed to do the job properly, but the damage will be done. The committee won't reverse a bad decision and skaters could suffer, especially when an Olympic gold medal is on the line. The new judging system will be used at the Turin Olympics, only a year away.
    Zazoui is the coach of French ice dancing champions Isabelle Delobel and Olivier Schoenfelder, known as the only skaters to attain a lofty level four for footwork this season at the Grand Prix Final.
    At the Eric Bompard Grand Prix event in France in November, controller Alexander Gorshkov and specialists Andrzej Dostatni (a former Polish ice dancer who spent years skating with Disney on Ice) and Katerina Mrazova, (a former ice dancer from Czech Republic) handed Delobel and Schoenfelder a level two instead of a higher level three assignment for a midline footwork sequence in the original dance routine.
    Delobel and Schoenfelder earned a level three for that sequence at Skate Canada in Halifax last November, and at the Grand Prix Final in Beijing in December.
    Contrast Delobel and Schoefelder's assessment with that of Hungarians Nora Hoffman and Attila Elek, who got a level three for the same step sequence at the Paris event, even though judging sources say they made a major mistake.
    Zazoui was stunned. Reached at her home in Lyon, France, Zazoui said she was told that Schoenfelder had made a mistake on a twizzle during the sequence, which dropped the level of difficulty.
    "I don't understand", she said. "I haven't seen this mistake".
    Zazoui said she watched replays of the routine five or six times in the French television truck and it was clear: Schoenfelder's twizzles (a travelling series of turns) were clean and fully rotated.
    "This is impossible", she said.
    French representatives asked Gorshkov to look at the film and reconsider. He refused.

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    P/C are starting to put me to sleep again. They are sleep skating through their programs. The programs are fine but I hope that there will be competition for them starting next year so that when they win gold in 2022, it will be two performances that are something memorable, mature, and legacy worthy. They need more competition and growth. I don't think H/D will be their competition at all. So it will depend on if/when the Russians want to start challenging.

    On a purely non-technical note, I prefer Gabby Papadakis than Guillaume Cizeron even if many people do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt K View Post
    P/C are starting to put me to sleep again. They are sleep skating through their programs. The programs are fine but I hope that there will be competition for them starting next year so that when they win gold in 2022, it will be two performances that are something memorable, mature, and legacy worthy. They need more competition and growth. I don't think H/D will be their competition at all. So it will depend on if/when the Russians want to start challenging.

    On a purely non-technical note, I prefer Gabby Papadakis than Guillaume Cizeron even if many people do not.
    I agree with you. IMO, they have begun to stagnate and the judges are letting them. I I don't blame them. Why continue to push if you don't have to? H/D won't be their main competition, but I hope someone comes to challenge them. Anybody.

    Also, agree with you that Gabby has become the better technician. IDK if it is Guillaume's injuries, but his technical prowess isn't what it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oly2018 View Post
    I agree with you. IMO, they have begun to stagnate and the judges are letting them. I I don't blame them. Why continue to push if you don't have to? H/D won't be their main competition, but I hope someone comes to challenge them. Anybody.

    Also, agree with you that Gabby has become the better technician. IDK if it is Guillaume's injuries, but his technical prowess isn't what it was.
    I think Gabi has grown incredibly but I do agree about Guillaume. I think it is a mix of injuries and a program that doesn't suit him perfectly (I much prefer him in the RD and also their exhibition which is their RD from last year). I think he is still the best male ice dancer in the field, gabi has just caught up to him which is good since it makes the partnership stronger. I think their RD this year was a big step forward and I see a lot of growth and maturity, the FD not so much. I don't mind too much because they are bound to have a program that I am not head over heals with in 8 years. Happy that the program I don't love is in the first year of a quad rather than an olympic year. That being said it is still the strongest FD this year just maybe not their personal best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirti View Post
    According to the entry list to Italian Nats, they are waiting to be released from Spain:

    "6 Russo Giada - Garcia Jaime *
    * Coppia in attesa di release dalla Spagna"

    Giada and Jaime skated "outside competition" at Egna Trophy this weekend. Their result counted for Italian internal standings but they were judged by the same panel of the international competition. They scored 135.83 (54.89 in the RD and 80.94 in the FD).
    In the RD the main problem was the Tango pattern (1 key point out of 8 and slightly negative GOE).
    Twizzles were level 4 in both RD and FS.
    In FS the combination spins got only level 2. The Lifts were 2 level 3 and 1 level 4. GOEs were generally flat (overall raised from 40.58 BV to 44.93 TES)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oly2018 View Post

    Also, agree with you that Gabby has become the better technician. IDK if it is Guillaume's injuries, but his technical prowess isn't what it was.
    That’s a curious observation. Can you point to any specific sequence that shows GC’s techniques have regressed? GP’s edge quality, knee action and power was already well matched with GC’s since the 16-17 season IMO.

    In terms of skating skills H/D are the most viable candidates for a challenge. I rank S/K’s technical prowess and potential higher than S/B’s. Other than these two teams I don’t see anyone surging up anytime soon.

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