2019 4CCs: Men's SP

gsk8 · Feb 8, 2019

USA's Vincent Zhou reigned in the Men's Short Program at the 2019 Four Continents Figure Skating Championships, taking the lead ahead of South Korea's Junhwan Cha and defending champion Boyang Jin of China.

"This is my first time breaking 100 in the short in an international competition," acknowledged Zhou. "I am very happy with this result. It is a reward and a testimony to the hard work I've been putting in. I'm becoming more confident in my abilities. I did my jumps with better quality than before I've been working on them. I'm proving to myself I can do clean jumps (after struggling with under rotations at the start of the season)."

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What are your thoughts on the Men's SP?

chopinskate · Feb 8, 2019

I'm happy for Boyang. I'm not into Cha's skating, but good for him.

Zhou's skating quality has shown practically no improvement. Flat edged, flat personality. His technique is a mess.

CanadianSkaterGuy · Feb 8, 2019

It was actually a decently skated SP! Zhou went clean much to the delight (and probably chagrin) of certain people, and deserves the lead. Two strong quads and one of the best 3As I've seen from him, and he sold me on the program when often he can be stale or stiff. Cha was amazing as well - very crisp elements. Uno had watered down content and underperformed but his quality of skating is lovely (although I found this performance a bit lacklustre for him). Messing held it together after a shaky warmup and had he concentrated a bit more on the landing of the lutz and axel he might be in 3rd. Brown was gorgeous but the axel issues again - the flip and combo were textbook though. Jin has definitely improved and his tech difficulty saved him. Very solid SP. Should be quite the freeskate battle! Wondering if Zhou can hold it together and if Shoma can bounce back and if Jin can slay like Nationals - of course Cha is looking very consistent and could upset everyone.

Roast Toast · Feb 8, 2019

I'm starting to see a pattern!

I guess Weapo can kiss whatever chance they had at the title goodbye. Unless Zach decides to pay his annual Nikita twizzle tax here instead of at Worlds.

malya · Feb 8, 2019

The tech panel needs to be investigated and/or at least get forced to rewatch the top 2 SP's in a loop and train to do their job.

4/5 jumps are clear uncalled UR's, one even close to a downgrade.

Sorry for Vincent and Junhwan who skated well, but this is scandalous.

PS: Yay for Donovan who landed his 3A today!

bobbob · Feb 8, 2019

malya said:
The tech panel needs to be investigated and/or at least get forced to rewatch the top 2 SP's in a loop and train to do their job.

4/5 jumps are clear uncalled UR's, one even close to a downgrade.

Sorry for Vincent and Junhwan who skated well, but this is scandalous.

PS: Yay for Donovan who landed his 3A today!

The tech panel in change of making the calls consisted of technical specialists Anett Pötzsch (legendary Olympic Champion as you may know) and Shin Amano (one of the most respected technical specialists in the sport). The technical controller was Australian Deborah Noyes.

While they were not harsh, I think they had similar standards for everyone.

Bcash · Feb 8, 2019

Roast Toast said:
I'm starting to see a pattern! I guess Weapo can kiss whatever chance they had at the title goodbye. Unless Zach decides to pay his annual Nikita twizzle tax here instead of at Worlds.

Did you come back from the future?

skatenewbie · Feb 8, 2019

bobbob said:
The tech panel in change of making the calls consisted of two people--technical specialists Anett Pötzsch (legendary Olympic Champion as you may know) and Shin Amano (one of the most respected technical specialists in the sport).

While they were not harsh, I think they had similar standards for everyone.

well i do agree that few jumps wasnt called. Vincent 4S was < for sure, his 4Lz and Cha 4S also iffy. Btw Amano is assistant not the controller, he has much less control, if he were the controller im sure those jumps would be called, he has tendency to even called the actual clean one as <

Bcash · Feb 8, 2019

Cha has got to have the shortest legs of any male skater, proportionally speaking. Very weird body line.

s_parks · Feb 8, 2019

Personal preferences aside, the tech panel was generous as heck. Or sleeping.

bobbob · Feb 8, 2019

skatenewbie said:
well i do agree that few jumps wasnt called. Vincent 4S was < for sure, his 4Lz and Cha 4S also iffy. Btw Amano is assistant not the controller, he has much less control, if he were the controller im sure those jumps would be called, he has tendency to even called the actual clean one as <

The technical specialist (not the controller) is the one who makes the call, the other two are in "supporting" roles. The technical specialist in this case was Anett Pötzsch, 1980 Olympic Champion.

malya · Feb 8, 2019

bobbob said:
The tech panel in change of making the calls consisted of two people--technical specialists Anett Pötzsch (legendary Olympic Champion as you may know) and Shin Amano (one of the most respected technical specialists in the sport).

And why should 'legendary people' not be expected to do their job properly?

I'd rather see unknowns that actually watch the skating.

At least it's no obvious bias because as far as I've seen nobody got called if he actually landed the jump... Still jdnxufi

skatenewbie · Feb 8, 2019

i also feel the TP was lenient with step level, place 1-16 and 21 ALL got StSq4. Not that it's impossible but ive never seen that much level 4 and some of these skaters have never/rarely got level 4 before

bobbob · Feb 8, 2019

malya said:
And why should 'legendary people' not be expected to do their job properly?

I'd rather see unknowns that actually watch the skating.

At least it's no obvious bias because as far as I've seen nobody got called if he actually landed the jump... Still jdnxufi

I'm just saying it probably does not come from a position of incompetence or bias...they were just systematically easy.

malya · Feb 8, 2019

skatenewbie said:
well i do agree that few jumps wasnt called. Vincent 4S was < for sure, his 4Lz and Cha 4S also iffy. Btw Amano is assistant not the controller, he has much less control, if he were the controller im sure those jumps would be called, he has tendency to even called the actual clean one as <

Have you seen the 3A?

I don't even want to look at the Stsq4's... 'calls' like this are expected at RusNats or American Nationals but not at 4CC

Honestly at USNats Vincent got dinged for less so I'm puzzled

icybear · Feb 8, 2019

Zhou 4 lutz, 3t and 4s were clearly underrotated. Even if you give the benefit of doubt to the 4 lutz and the 3t and say they were right on the margin, the 4S was clearly underrotated. Not surprising that all seasons he's been getting UR calls yet doesnt on home ice when the tech specialist has been home inflated by his fed

bobbob · Feb 8, 2019

icybear said:
tech specialist has been home inflated by his fed

how? she is german

Tahuu · Feb 8, 2019

Interesting. None of Vincent's quads and Jun's 4S and 3A was marked <. Jun's 4S was 100% underrotated, actually almost 180* under.

If Vincent and Jun end up wining 4CC gold and silver, that would be something.

skatenewbie · Feb 8, 2019

malya said:
Have you seen the 3A?

I don't even want to look at the Stsq4's... 'calls' like this are expected at RusNats or American Nationals but not at 4CC

Honestly at USNats Vincent got dinged for less so I'm puzzled

the 3A is slightly UR but idk if it's a quarter or nor so i'd say its fine. After watching the ladies and then when i watch the mens literally everyone got level 4 i was confused

Danny T · Feb 8, 2019

There might not be bias in the technical panel, since everyone got off easy (which is unfair to people who actually complete their technical content, but I digress), but the ex-USFSA president giving Zhou the highest PCS of the night tied with Uno, with two 9.00s, sure is something ...:disapp:

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