2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Fluture · Jul 12, 2019

To talk about something else maybe:

Zhenya has just announced that her FS will be choreographed by Shae-Lynn Bourne and showed some small parts of it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz1B-zNB4M3/?igshid=c59sxiw9z156

5Axel · Jul 12, 2019

Fluture said:
To talk about something else maybe:

Zhenya has just announced that her FS will be choreographed by Shae-Lynn Bourne and showed some small parts of it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz1B-zNB4M3/?igshid=c59sxiw9z156

Thank you very much, you made my day. [emoji3]
That's what we needed to hear! I hope we will get some glimpses of other skaters ' programs soon.

It looks beatiful. I think this theme is SO suitable for her.
(And the dramatic music we hoped for!!!)

ec00834 · Jul 12, 2019

I love the music

Fluture · Jul 12, 2019

5Axel said:
Thank you very much, you made my day. [emoji3]
That's what we needed to hear! I hope we will get some glimpses of other skaters ' programs soon.

It looks beatiful. I think this theme is SO suitable for her.
(And the dramatic music we hoped for!!!)

Thank you! The announcement made my day, too, to be honest. I think the music suits her. And Shae-Lynn is an amazing choreographer! I can‘t lie, I‘m very excited.

flanker · Jul 12, 2019

Fluture said:
I just don‘t get what you want. Both Zhenya and Alina were criticized unfairly in the past. They were criticized fairly too. Is there really any need to establish where certain criticism came from? I don‘t think so, especially since we‘ll never be able to pinpoint this exactly anyway as everybody has a vastly different view on this.

Fans are biased, has it occurred to you that you may be too? From a fan‘s perspective, it seemed to me that Zhenya got just as much (unfair) criticism as Alina got. Is this biased? Maybe, maybe not. Who cares, though? Do we really have to talk about whose fans are worse and what they do and not do? It just derails the thread and causes people to bicker. If you see unfair criticism of Alina, report it, call it out and say why you think it is wrong, do whatever you want, just don‘t bring Zhenya‘s fans or “different sides“ into this because it becomes annoying. I‘m so over these fanwars, sorry. They‘re both two great girls and they both have good as well as bad fans. As literally anybody else. No need at all to always trying to prove a point about who is worse or makes more unfair criticism.

What I want? Just what I'm saying. When a claim appears with what I or anybody else disagree, I or the one who disagrees feel that there should be a reaction where it will be pointed out in what I disagree and why. When I disagree with something (even strongly disagree) I don't see in it violation of rules immediately. Any discussion would not be possible. Also, as I've written earlier, reporting posts is something I don't do. In my coutry we have the past in which some people were telling other people that some different people have said this or that and somebody should do something about it, like send them to prison or a labor camp, so I have a personal distaste to it even when it is something that really makes me angry :biggrin:

fabienne1996 · Jul 12, 2019

Fluture said:
Thank you! The announcement made my day, too, to be honest. I think the music suits her. And Shae-Lynn is an amazing choreographer! I can‘t lie, I‘m very excited.

Me too. [emoji7] by the way is it known what does alina have for her short?

Lunalovesskating · Jul 12, 2019

fabienne1996 said:
Me too. [emoji7] by the way is it known what does alina have for her short?

Alina hasn't announced her SP yet. Maybe they haven't chosen it yet or maybe we will see it at The ICE show like last year

Scott512 · Jul 12, 2019

fabienne1996 said:
Lol, I never made it a secret that alina while I like her and yes she is a great skater is not my favorite, so I do not have to say something, but what I am not doing is only pointing bad things out with alina, I always say that she is a great skater . and even if I wanted to say something about alina not being in group a in the original post, I was far to late for that, cause guess what I am not online here 24/7 and read every new post when it's posted, especially since I am right now on vacation in Egypt .And as we see alina has enough fans to react to the original post, which they did,. B

Youve been to Egypt and Alina an I have not.

I hope its a dream vacation for you. Glad you are taking time to post here while on vacay!

Fluture · Jul 12, 2019

Lunalovesskating said:
Alina hasn't announced her SP yet. Maybe they haven't chosen it yet or maybe we will see it at The ICE show like last year

I‘m hoping they will show it at The ICE. Are the other Tutberidze girls there as well? Imagine how awesome it would be if we got 4 program reveals at the same time. :biggrin:

moriel · Jul 12, 2019

Some numbers on URs, edge calls and other mistakes

Zagitova:
Competitons: 7
URs / comp: 1.6 (11)
Edge / comp: 0.0 (0)
Pop / comp: 0.9 (6)
Fall / comp: 0.4 (3)
Jump mistakes / comp: 2.9 (20)

Medvedeva:
Competitons: 6
URs / comp: 2.2 (13)
Edge / comp: 1.3 (8)
Pop / comp: 0.5 (3)
Fall / comp: 0.3 (2)
other jump mistakes / comp: 0.3 (2)
Jump mistakes / comp: 4.7 (28)

Zagitova:
URs (each carrot counts as one, so << = 2 carrots):
- 3Lz<+3Lo< at gp finlandia
- 3Lz<+3Lo at rostelecom
- 3F<+2T+2Lo at rostelecom
- 3Lz+3Lo< at euros
- 3Lz+3T< at euros
- 3Lz<< at euros
- 3F<+2T+2Lo< at euros
- 3F<+1Lo at euros

Edge calls:
none-nope-zero

Pops:
- 3Lz+1lo at gp finlandia
- 2F at rostelecom
- 3L+1T at gpf
- 3Lz+REP at rusnats
- 3F+2T at rusnats
- 3F<+1Lo at euros

falls:
- 3Lz at rusnats
- 2A at rusnats
- 3Lz+3T< at euros

Medvedeva:
URs (each carrot counts as one, so << = 2 carrots):
- 3F+3T< at wc
- 2A< at wc
- 3F+3T<< at gp france
- 3F<<+COMBO at gp canada
- 3Lo< at gp canada
- 3F<+1T at rusnats
- 2A+3T<< at rusnats
- 3Lo< at cs canada
- 3S+3Lo<< at ruscup

Edge calls ( count ! as 1 and e as 2 for the sake of simplicity):
- 3Lz! at rusnats
- 3Lz! at cs canada
- 3Lz! at cs canada
- 3Lz! at gp france
- 3Lz! at gp canada
- 3Lze at gp canada
- 3Lz!+2T+2T at gp canada

Pops (i counted any loss of a jump really, for both):
- 3F<+1T at rusnats
- 3F<<+COMBO at gp canada
- missing triple at gp france

falls:
- 2A at gp france
- 3F<+1T at rusnats
- 2A at rusnats
- 3S+3Lo<< at ruscup

other mistakes:
- 2A at cs can
- 2A at cs can

melgirl25 · Jul 12, 2019

moriel said:
Some numbers on URs, edge calls and other mistakes

Zagitova:
Competitons: 7
URs / comp: 1.6 (11)
Edge / comp: 0.0 (0)
Pop / comp: 0.9 (6)
Fall / comp: 0.4 (3)
Jump mistakes / comp: 2.9 (20)

Medvedeva:
Competitons: 6
URs / comp: 2.2 (13)
Edge / comp: 1.3 (8)
Pop / comp: 0.5 (3)
Fall / comp: 0.3 (2)
other jump mistakes / comp: 0.3 (2)
Jump mistakes / comp: 4.7 (28)

Zagitova:
URs (each carrot counts as one, so << = 2 carrots):
- 3Lz<+3Lo< at gp finlandia
- 3Lz<+3Lo at rostelecom
- 3F<+2T+2Lo at rostelecom
- 3Lz+3Lo< at euros
- 3Lz+3T< at euros
- 3Lz<< at euros
- 3F<+2T+2Lo< at euros
- 3F<+1Lo at euros

Edge calls:
none-nope-zero

Pops:
- 3Lz+1lo at gp finlandia
- 2F at rostelecom
- 3L+1T at gpf
- 3Lz+REP at rusnats
- 3F+2T at rusnats
- 3F<+1Lo at euros

falls:
- 3Lz at rusnats
- 2A at rusnats
- 3Lz+3T< at euros

Medvedeva:
URs (each carrot counts as one, so << = 2 carrots):
- 3F+3T< at wc
- 2A< at wc
- 3F+3T<< at gp france
- 3F<<+COMBO at gp canada
- 3Lo< at gp canada
- 3F<+1T at rusnats
- 2A+3T<< at rusnats
- 3Lo< at cs canada
- 3S+3Lo<< at ruscup

Edge calls ( count ! as 1 and e as 2 for the sake of simplicity):
- 3Lz! at rusnats
- 3Lz! at cs canada
- 3Lz! at cs canada
- 3Lz! at gp france
- 3Lz! at gp canada
- 3Lze at gp canada
- 3Lz!+2T+2T at gp canada

Pops (i counted any loss of a jump really, for both):
- 3F<+1T at rusnats
- 3F<<+COMBO at gp canada
- missing triple at gp france

falls:
- 2A at gp france
- 3F<+1T at rusnats
- 2A at rusnats
- 3S+3Lo<< at ruscup

other mistakes:
- 2A at cs can
- 2A at cs can

Wow you have got a lot of time on your hands!

Lunalovesskating · Jul 12, 2019

moriel said:
Some numbers on URs, edge calls and other mistakes

Zagitova:
Competitons: 7
URs / comp: 1.6 (11)
Edge / comp: 0.0 (0)
Pop / comp: 0.9 (6)
Fall / comp: 0.4 (3)
Jump mistakes / comp: 2.9 (20)

Medvedeva:
Competitons: 6
URs / comp: 2.2 (13)
Edge / comp: 1.3 (8)
Pop / comp: 0.5 (3)
Fall / comp: 0.3 (2)
other jump mistakes / comp: 0.3 (2)
Jump mistakes / comp: 4.7 (28)

Zagitova:
URs (each carrot counts as one, so << = 2 carrots):
- 3Lz<+3Lo< at gp finlandia
- 3Lz<+3Lo at rostelecom
- 3F<+2T+2Lo at rostelecom
- 3Lz+3Lo< at euros
- 3Lz+3T< at euros
- 3Lz<< at euros
- 3F<+2T+2Lo< at euros
- 3F<+1Lo at euros

Edge calls:
none-nope-zero

Pops:
- 3Lz+1lo at gp finlandia
- 2F at rostelecom
- 3L+1T at gpf
- 3Lz+REP at rusnats
- 3F+2T at rusnats
- 3F<+1Lo at euros

falls:
- 3Lz at rusnats
- 2A at rusnats
- 3Lz+3T< at euros

Medvedeva:
URs (each carrot counts as one, so << = 2 carrots):
- 3F+3T< at wc
- 2A< at wc
- 3F+3T<< at gp france
- 3F<<+COMBO at gp canada
- 3Lo< at gp canada
- 3F<+1T at rusnats
- 2A+3T<< at rusnats
- 3Lo< at cs canada
- 3S+3Lo<< at ruscup

Edge calls ( count ! as 1 and e as 2 for the sake of simplicity):
- 3Lz! at rusnats
- 3Lz! at cs canada
- 3Lz! at cs canada
- 3Lz! at gp france
- 3Lz! at gp canada
- 3Lze at gp canada
- 3Lz!+2T+2T at gp canada

Pops (i counted any loss of a jump really, for both):
- 3F<+1T at rusnats
- 3F<<+COMBO at gp canada
- missing triple at gp france

falls:
- 2A at gp france
- 3F<+1T at rusnats
- 2A at rusnats
- 3S+3Lo<< at ruscup

other mistakes:
- 2A at cs can
- 2A at cs can

Those statistics do not really say anything if you do not also include the many uncalled URs this season.

theharleyquinn · Jul 12, 2019

Fluture said:
To talk about something else maybe:

Zhenya has just announced that her FS will be choreographed by Shae-Lynn Bourne and showed some small parts of it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz1B-zNB4M3/?igshid=c59sxiw9z156

Her flexibility looks like it's improved.

Mathman · Jul 12, 2019

moriel said:
Some numbers on URs, edge calls and other mistakes

Zagitova:
Competitons: 7
URs / comp: 1.6 (11)
Edge / comp: 0.0 (0)
Pop / comp: 0.9 (6)
Fall / comp: 0.4 (3)
Jump mistakes / comp: 2.9 (20)

Medvedeva:
Competitons: 6
URs / comp: 2.2 (13)
Edge / comp: 1.3 (8)
Pop / comp: 0.5 (3)
Fall / comp: 0.3 (2)
other jump mistakes / comp: 0.3 (2)
Jump mistakes / comp: 4.7 (28)

Very interesting. So Zagitova is better for URs and edge calls, while Medvedeva wins on falls and pops.

moriel · Jul 12, 2019

So guys, in short. I know you feel I hate certain skaters.
But there is this thing - when i judge them in competition, i try to operate on facts and judges opinions as much as i can.

So when I say Zhenya's jumps and transitions were messy last season, its not because I dislike her, but because judges gave her 4 x 3V calls, 1x 3 call, 1x 2call and 1 x 1V call.
O, she has a back injury. (Tuktamysheva competed more and got just 5 lv3 spins last season if i didnt count wrong)
But what about lv3 step sequences? She got 7 stsq3 calls, out of 9 in her senior career. Numbers. Tuktamysheva (and we joke a lot here about Mishin choreo, or lack of it, got 8 stsq3 this season).

(and yes, i wonder how long it will take for the moderators to figure out that i troll other users by bringing numbers)

nussnacker · Jul 12, 2019

melgirl25 said:
Wow you have got a lot of time on your hands!

I think it's called 'having a hobby'

moriel · Jul 12, 2019

Mathman said:
Very interesting. So Zagitova is better for URs and edge calls, while Medvedeva wins on falls and pops.

I would say that fall rate / competition is the same statistically speaking.

Maybe i should calculate confidence intervals

Reddi · Jul 12, 2019

moriel said:
Some numbers on URs, edge calls and other mistakes

falls:
- 2A at gp france
- 3F<+1T at rusnats
- 2A at rusnats
- 3S+3Lo<< at ruscup

Also Skate Canada and CS ACI. As I recall, WC was her sole fall-free competition.

Tolstoj · Jul 12, 2019

moriel said:
Ok, lemme fix tis:

I disagree with quite a few of these, like defining inconsistent a skater who made literally 3 mistakes in the entire season, so this is my list

Group A
Zagitova - Olympic Champion, speed and transitions, reputation, unrefined artistry
Medvedeva - 2 times world champion, Olympic silver medalist, reputation, improving artistry, inconsistency with jumps and spins.
Tuktamysheva - Best jumping technique, 3A, consistency, lack of skating skills
Samodurova - European Champion, performance, consistency

Group B (they might well be A but they need to prove it on the senior circuit yet)

Trusova - quads, transitions, unpolished
Shcherbakova - great musicality and grace, 4ltz, a bit inconsistent
Kostornaya - Performance, consistency and jumps but no 3A or quads.
Konstantinova - inconsistency

Group C - some of them could be B but they are C due to lack of reputation or inconsistent results.

Sakhanovich - a bit inconsistent, but she got her GP spot.
Tarakanova - she is ready for seniors for me, but we'll see after the coach change.
Gubanova - she bombed those 2-3 events where she really needed to stay clean, inconsistent levels on the spins, some underrotation
Guliakova - same as Gubanova but with better jumping technique, better spins and worse artistry.
Tarusina - performance, consistency, borderline UR jumps, slow spins
Nugumanova - artistry, great spinner, inconsistent
Vasilieva - consistency, lack of performance.
Talalaykina - same as Gubanova and Guliakova on bombing key events, she also tends to UR her jumps sometimes.
Sotskova - let's say until Worlds 2018 she was in Group B, but if i have to rate last season it would be an F. Hopefully she can recover in this one.

Eteri's 3As will get in Group A once they achieve something in seniors, we shouldn't praise them for something that isn't there yet.

Lunalovesskating · Jul 12, 2019

Reddi said:
Also Skate Canada and CS ACI. As I recall, WC was her sole fall-free competition.

She did not fall at Skate Canada.

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