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Sounds like the Karolyis.
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Sounds like the Karolyis.
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Since when does Eteri beat her students until they are bleeding? Since when do her students have to drink water from the toilet, because there is no other water available? Does she give her skaters injections to prevent menstruation?
Yes, Eteri's methods can be questioned, but as far as we know she never abuses her students the way the Karolyi's did. They were a whole other league of evil.
You're about to learn that you can't say that here.
Has it been confirmed Alina will compete this season?
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Well said.
To include the great Eteri with the horrific abusive crazy and cruel Karolyis is so unfair. Yes EG he's a very tough coach very hard on the kids but she's nothing like the Karolyis.
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Of course she was, the whole FSO was in a pool of tears when she left. Or maybe the whole interview is just a piece of the PR campaign (with the name Tutberidze in the headline) brought to you by the Perm region Fed (president Dmitry Alexandrovich Shuboderov) like the recent "TAT tournament" and the new Morozov (coincidentally) announced now based in Perm couple Stolbova/Novoselov https://www.permnews.ru/novosti/spo...va_budet_gotovitsya_k_olimpiade-2022_v_permi/ who knows...
LOL
Polina said smth along the lines of „coincidentally meeting Morozov at the rink in Perm, who just happened coincidentally to be in talks with Israeli fed“
So many coincidences, that have nothing to do with her father being the president of Perm region federation. ;-)
You talk about putting a fire out, and yet you pour more gasoline on it
By facts?
And we see the impact on US young ladies in the real time, right? Well, at least in one case I guess
When I was young, I often heard what people do elsewhere or how they would be happy with the opportunities I have and that I don't value my options enough and that I should do more to deserve it etc. It's common incentive that doesn't know borders or nations
Now without fun. I am a product of public school system (from times when the purpose of the educational system was not the inclusion, "creative matters" and this modern stuff but to really teach children something). When I compare myself with those who went through the private schools, I really can't say they would value something more, and the education was the last of it. Their rich parents paid for schools and those kids' attititude was "you got the money (from parents), I'm a customer so I don't need to work myself, you (school and teachers) are the one responsible for teaching us everything." I don't know any american personally, I can't talk about their mentality, maybe it is different with them than with my fellow coutrymen, but I can say I really didn't like this bussiness-like attitude to everything, esp. when the kids weren't those who really paid for it, they took it as natural thing that everytime money will buy them everything.
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Of course she was, the whole FSO was in a pool of tears when she left. Or maybe the whole interview is just a piece of the PR campaign (with the name Tutberidze in the headline) brought to you by the Perm region Fed (president Dmitry Alexandrovich Shuboderov) like the recent "TAT tournament" and the new Morozov (coincidentally) announced now based in Perm couple Stolbova/Novoselov https://www.permnews.ru/novosti/spo...va_budet_gotovitsya_k_olimpiade-2022_v_permi/ who knows...
Fact that her father is state functionary in Perm doesnt disqualifies Polina as a source of information about how its going on Khrustalnyj.
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It's concerning how quick people are here to dismiss Polinas interview, just because of her father. Would've she just praised Eteri then I am sure that wouldn't even have been brought up.
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Of course not. Then it would have simply been used as an example for how great Eteri‘s methods are. And nobody would have even raised any questions about Polina or her family.
I don‘t get what Polina‘s father has anything to do with this particular interview anyway. Fact is, Polina was with Eteri‘s group, she experienced everything that‘s happening there herself and she seems like a credible source because everything we‘ve heard from her matches various other interviews from Eteri girls. And Polina wasn‘t even talking badly of Eteri, she was very matter of factly, only told about her experiences and in the end said she was grateful for everything she learned with her. I don‘t see anything malicious about this.
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I didn't say she didn't praise Eteri, but it wasn't just praise. Polina did say Eteri told her to quit and said there is a group that she isn't as interested in and misses trainings. I wouldn't categorize that as praise
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I think you're confusing my words. When I said "If everything was just praise nobody would've dismissed Polinas interview bc of her father"
then you said but she did praise her. Which I responded that not the whole interview is praise which you agreed but also kind of diminished your whole argument before
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Someone can explain what is meant when they say "Eteri's methods"?
Anything considered "we don't know how she does it".
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It doesn't have to be "dismiss it as a whole", but can't people think critically about it? It doesn't have to be one extremity or the other extremity.
It's not like people should either completely dismiss her, or trust every single word.
I very much believe some parts, on some I'm not completely convinced, and some I don't believe.
I don't believe, that she accidentally met Morozov at some random rink in Perm, who helped her to get funding from Israeli fed to train in the US after that. To me it's pretty obvious that her father helped to organize that meeting to say the least.
I'm not completely convinced about some other things. Like I said before, I don't think the group she was in was the group "Eteri wasn't interested to work with" (like she described it). It was a group of very promising kids, Eteri was very much interested in working with, and I think she might have added some dramatization to her story here.
I also don't get the part about her toes being injured. She says she couldn't put a sneaker on, but she somehow managed to put skates on?
She said she didn't tell anyone she was injured when she first joined that team, but then proceeds to say Eteri makes them skate with those injuries? How was anyone supposed to know, if she says she decided to hide the fact of her injury?
I did not write any of it before, because I did not want to seem as if I'm picking on her, but that's what I thought was kind of... I wasn't completely sure what she meant
I very much believe the majority of her story, the fact that there is no secret recipe to success, like she says, it's just working hard, very very very hard.
Alena I believe also said, the reason why they don't fail in competitions is because during practices they skate their programs a lot more times per day. After that, just going and doing that program once in competition seems like a walk in the park.
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I mean that it's always good to discuss whether her way of coaching (or what we know of it) works for certain skaters and leads to them performing their best and being their best (mentally and physically). Just like we can question it with other coaches.
Who is Dasha T?
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Probably meant Daria Panenkova
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I do think it's legitimate to question whether training through injury is the right thing to do, or to discuss the accounts of food intake we've heard about. There are grounds of discussion made possible by the little we know about what training at Eteri's entails. It's legitimate to discuss such topics in the context of elite sports, if you have the expertise to do so. It's legitimate to question training methods that we think are not good. Hence my comment that Eteri's methods can be questioned. Of course they can, nobody should be immune from being questioned. I never wrote questionable methods as you claim.
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We? I don't think anybody here on this board participating in this discussion is a trainer graduated from one of the Russian sports universities or has equal qualifications obtained elsewhere.
All of us are emotionally evaluating this or that coach's training methods, none of us has ever been subjected to them.
The results obtained by #TeamTutberidzeForProgress speak for themselves, and one doesn't hear the current skaters complaining that bad about their daily routine at Khrustalniy.
I am glad there is a mixed team of specialists working with the skaters, and all the skaters speak only with respect about them.
None of the skaters are pampered in any way, they have to 'earn' their daily keep by working hard, but AFAIK, they work with pleasure and are all the more content when they have put some moments of frustration and anger behind them because they persevered pursuing their goals.
There is no gain without pain, every sportsperson knows that.
