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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

ramed

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You are just happy you didn't see it with the commentary of the Czech TV (I was too lazy to get ut to the computer but I can watch TV from bed :biggrin:). They truly found the new level of nastiness. "Kid, her jumps won't hold, rise age eligiblity, she will be put away like others from the school of Eteri Tutberidze," etc. Well, when fans discuss it here, I disagree but people have the right for the opinion. But commentators should preserve some dignity and neutrality, you shouldn't hear their wish "fall and break your leg" behind every jump, but that was exactly how they commented Anna's skate.:mad:
I'm glad they had to swallow this bitter pill.
I guess the commentators have just learned the idiom "break a leg" and wanted to wish Anna good luck for her FS this way :laugh: They have succeeded.
 

Edwin

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Live video interview with Inna Goncharenko was conducted today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsFKEKg-a_Y ,

Switch on the auto generated subtitles, for this is probably a very interesting interview by a knowledgeable professional, merited Trainer of Russia, who doesn't evade hot subjects, but tries to be respectful.

3:18 Shcherbakova did not hold on to her score. But you have to be prepared for a special attitude in the USA
7:19 Is Tuktamysheva sentenced?
12:18 About acclimatisation
21:20 Stanislava Konstantinov in tears
23:51 How to select chocolate for skaters
25:52 Due to what Aliyev took the Bronze
30:12 Psychologists in Russian figure skating
38:23 Layouts of the Canadian Grand Prix
49:14 Quads by Medvedeva - Goncharenko herself is sceptical
50:27 About the weak base of Yevgeniya, jumping and fighting character
56:59 Respect Eteri Tutberidze for working with Alina Zagitova
1:04:30 Goncharenko will leave to train in China?
1:11:20 It is not surprising that the leadership of our federation did not deign to call me
1:16:40 What to do about pupils leaving trainers
 

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All I can say is that this season is going to be a roller coaster. One week it was Trusova will sweep everything with her numerous quads, the next week it was Kostornaia will beat her out with her 3a and high pcs, this week it will be Shcherbakova with her 2 quad lutzes. And then if anyone of them so much as put a step wrong, people will start crystal balling the end of their career's in Eteri camp. Boy, these girls are under so much pressure.
 

Mishaminion

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All I can say is that this season is going to be a roller coaster. One week it was Trusova will sweep everything with her numerous quads, the next week it was Kostornaia will beat her out with her 3a and high pcs, this week it will be Shcherbakova with her 2 quad lutzes. And then if anyone of them so much as put a step wrong, people will start crystal balling the end of their career's in Eteri camp. Boy, these girls are under so much pressure.

That pressure has a lot to do with why skaters develop mental issues, it is sheer hypocrisy to push all the blame onto their coaches, when the internet is full of comments predicting their downfall for one reason or another.

"Oh, (insert name here) jumps will never survive puberty!"

"WOW, (Insert name here) is done, might as well retire"
 

Edwin

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Mishin: various skaters have their intrinsic value, but the future is young and light

S.-PETERBURG, October 20 - RIA Novosti, Taras Barabash. The morphofunctional status of future skaters will gravitate towards young, light and fast-spinning, figure skating coach Alexey Mishin told RIA Novosti.

Mishin's pupil Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva on Sunday became third at Skate America.

“Not only me, but also other experts see a lot of positive things in Lisa. She has soft plastic hands, she has a delicate, subtle manner of performance. She doesn't devour the audience with her eyes while skating, she does not appeal to the audience: “ Applaud me. ” It’s good that there are different performers and different manners of performance”, Mishin told by telephone.

“At the World Championships in Athletics, two of our male jumpers took part, one took second place, another third place. Our fans celebrated the wonderful performance of first and the second. And figure skating fans write that the one who won first place has earned universal approval, and he whoever became second is worthless."

"You know, the time will come when someone will beat the wonderful skater Alyona Kostornaya. And then these kind of people, h@ters, if they have not yet died out due to an epidemic called malice, will also criticise her for second place,” Mishin said.

Two types of skaters

The spokesperson of the agency believes that skaters of different plans have their own attractiveness and value.

“Historically, all female single figure skating have been divided into two categories of athletes - young and thin, and the other half, those with female body shaps. There is one nuance that fans don’t pay attention to. The fact is that statistically, the number of thin and high jumping girls amongst the general contingent of female skaters are incommensurably smaller than girls with a classic standard female figure", Mishin said.

"Therefore, any attempt to betray the anathema of more adults skaters will lead to the fact that most Western countries with their mentality and legislation providing for compulsory school attendance will lead to the fact that they will not be able to be represented at serious international competitions. Then we will no longer see the sky high skating of such kinds of skaters as Carolina Kostner, Lisa Tuktamysheva and in the end even Yevgeniya Medvyedeva", Mishin noted.

“I believe that the morphological status of a basketball player is one, volleyball player is another, weightlifter is third. The morphofunctional status of future skaters will gravitate towards young, light and quick spinning”, the specialist concluded.
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From: https://rsport.ria.ru/20191020/1560004845.html

Is there more?

Mishin obviously discontent with the current trend and #TeamTutberidzeForProgress' approach to figure skating?
 

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The choreographer believes that Russian skaters deserved higher marks at the US Grand Prix

Group choreographer Eteri Tutberidze Alexey Zheleznyakov expressed the opinion that Russian skaters deserved higher marks for their performances at the first stage of the 2019/20 season Grand Prix, which was held in Las Vegas, USA.

“I agree that Russian athletes could be given higher marks. But now something similar to 'you can’t fight them' seems to occur. I guess why this is happening”, said the choreographer in an interview with RT.

According to Zheleznyakov, at present, few can compete with the pupils of Tutberidze, and, by lowering the scores of the Russian athletes, the judges are trying to give a chance to their rivals.

“But, as Eteri Georgiyevna says, they will become angrier. In my opinion, for our girls this is a plus. They understand they can’t make any mistakes, work harder and try to do everything perfectly”, he added.

Earlier, Zheleznyakov praised the performance of Anna Shcherbakova at the Grand Prix in the United States.

Choreographer of the group of Eteri Tutberidze Alexey Zheleznyakov praised the performance of the Russian figure skater Anna Shcherbakova at the first stage of the Grand Prix in the 2019/20 season, which was held in Las Vegas, USA.

“Her free program was performed at a fantastic level - very confidently and professionally. Anna skated very consciously. As a choreographer, I can say that in one moment it was necessary to hold the leg a little longer. But one has to talk about such moments when there is nothing else to complain about”, said Zheleznyakov in an interview with our RT correspondent.

According to the choreographer, Shcherbakova can be considered one of the favorites of the season that just started.

“But the ice is slippery. In figure skating, it is very difficult to predict what will happen in the future. If Anna remains in the same shape and continues to ride skate like this, then, of course, she will fight for the highest places”, he added.

Earlier we reported that Shcherbakova won the Grand Prix stage in Las Vegas, cleanly performing two quadruple jumps in her free program.
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From: https://russian.rt.com/sport/news/678876-horeograf-rossiiskie-figuristki-ocenki
and: https://russian.rt.com/sport/news/678872-horeograf-scherbakova-gran-pri
 

Orlov

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49:14 Quads by Medvedeva - Goncharenko herself is ready to teach her to jump on the pole

Sorry, but you are misleading non-Russian speakers. This moment:

Journalist: - Recently, a video was published in which she [Medvedeva] makes a quad jump, albeit with a "fishing pole", a quad salchow...
Goncharenko: - Oh, don't be ridiculous (ironically smiles)
Journalist: - Yes, I understand, this is only with pole.
Goncharenko: - Jumping with a "fishing pole"... You know, now all that's left is I'm jumping some jump and showing a video, the main thing is to find a strong uncle who can lift me (laughing) [:biggrin: :laugh: :thumbsup:] Therefore, I don't really like this ... a fishing pole... I understand that she probably wants to. But this is not serious for me.
Journalist: Of course, I wasn't asking about the "fishing pole" itself [this is for the next topic of conversation that Zhenya desperately needs to increase the BV] we are still not talking about fishing (smiles diplomatically)
Goncharenko: That pole was probably really strong.


So, Goncharenko was very sarcastic about this Medevedeva's quad-pole theme, practically troll. It's definitely not "Goncharenko herself is ready to teach her to jump on the pole"
 

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“I agree that Russian athletes could be given higher marks. But now something similar to 'you can’t fight them' seems to occur. I guess why this is happening”, said the choreographer in an interview with RT.

According to Zheleznyakov, at present, few can compete with the pupils of Tutberidze, and, by lowering the scores of the Russian athletes, the judges are trying to give a chance to their rivals.

Step sequence levels is one of such tools. Amber Glenn, Eunsoo Lim, Wakaba Higuchi - they all received level 4. Wakaba after popping her jumps looked like lost all the motivation. Still she got level 4. In fact, the only skaters with level 2 step sequence were Yi Christi Leung and, surprise surprise, Liza and Anna.

David once said that in Alina's SS level 4 requirements are achieved well before the sequence ends. I just cannot believe that Anna can jump 2 quad lutzes but still has only level 2 step sequence while the above mentioned skaters whom I respect but who as of now are on quite different overall excellence level receive level 4. I cannot believe that there are any fundamental difficulties for Eteri "wonder babies" to deliver level 4 SS requirements. They just don't get it.
 

Mishaminion

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Anna's step sequence is not always great. She even fell during it in the SP. Liza has never had particularly good steps, it is one of her weaknesses.
Anna scored 160 points on the free and it wasn't even 100% clean, how anyone can cook up some kind of "Russians are having their scores deliberately reduced" conspiracy from that is...

I can't even


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Edwin

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“A cosmic level program”: Russia admired the performance of Shcherbakova at the Grand Prix in the USA

At Skate America, Anna Shcherbakova showed serious fighting qualities and did not leave her rivals a chance. This was stated by the head of the Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKKR) Aleksander Gorshkov. The silver medalist of the Olympic Games in ice dancing Il'ya Averbukh believes that only Aleksande Trusova is able to compete with Shcherbakova in terms of the complexity of their programs. Meanwhile, many experts agree that American judges underscored the Russian figure skaters.

The performance of 15-year-old Anna Shcherbakova at Skate America was admired by both sports enthousiasts and experts. With mature, confident skating and the first ever clean performance of two quadruple Lutz's brought the girl the first gold medal at the stages of the Grand Prix, and also made her to be perceived as one of the main favourites of the season in women's single skating.

Her mentors, Eteri Tutberidze and Daniil Gleikhengauz, were one of the first to congratulate their pupil. Later, the coach posted a group photo on Instagram with the caption: “One down!” and the choreographer thanked all fans of the talented Shcherbakova.

"Yes! Congratulations to Anna Shcherbakova and our entire team with the Gold medal at the Skate America Grand Prix! Thanks to everyone who stayed awake and supported, ” Gleikhengauz' message reads.

The head of the Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKKR) Aleksander Gorshkov praised Shcherbakova and noted that the 15-year-old girl was able to show her character and pull herself together after a not so successful short program, after which she took an intermediate fourth place.

“Anya is just great, she did it. We all understand perfectly how difficult it was for our athletes to perform after an almost 24 hour flight to the USA, how difficult it was to compose themselves. But she ... did everything she could, a small, fragile girl showed serious fighting qualities at the first stage of the senior Grand Prix, managed two quadruple Lutz's. I congratulate her and the whole team of Eteri Tutberidze - they did not leave a chance to the rivals”, TASS quotes Gorshkov.

For her free program, Shcherbakova received 160.16 points, which is the second highest result in history. According to this indicator, she beat the current Olympic champion Alina Zagitova and Alyona Kostornaya and is second only to Aleksandra Trusova (163.78). At the same time, the latter received such high marks at a Challenger class tournament in Bratislava, which is significantly inferior to the Grand Prix stages in status.

Tutberidze group choreographer Alexei Zheleznyakov, in an interview with RT, also praised Shcherbakova’s success, but noted that she still has something to work on.

“The free program was performed at a fantastic level - very confidently and professionally. Anna skated very consciously. As a choreographer, I can say that in one moment it was necessary to hold the leg a little longer. But one only talks about such trifles when there is nothing to complain about”, said Zheleznyakov.

He expressed the opinion that Shcherbakov can already be considered one of the favourites of the season, but she needs to continue to demonstrate the highest level.

“In figure skating, it’s very difficult to predict what will happen in the future. If Anya will remain in the same form and continues to skate like this, then, of course, she will fight for the highest places”, the choreographer noted.

According to him, the judges at Skate America slightly underscored Shcherbakova and the other Russian women, which has recently been a common practice.

“I agree that Russian athletes could be given higher scores. But when this is the case, you can’t fight it. I guess why this is happening. In women's skating it is very difficult to compete with the pupils of Tutberidze, and in this way the judges try to give other skaters a chance. But, as Eteri Georgiyevna says, "they will be angrier." In my opinion, for our girls this is a plus. They understand that they can’t make mistakes, work harder and try to do everything perfectly”, Zheleznyakov concluded.

In turn, the silver medalist of the 2002 Olympics, Il'ya Averbukh, said that Shcherbakova has a “cosmic level” program.

“At the moment, only Shcherbakova and Trusova can oppose each other in this aspect. Other girls can only hope that they will make mistakes. If they will perform in the same way as Anna did today, their rivals will not have a chance”, he explained to RT.

At the same time, the famous coach Artur Dmitriyev believes that the triumphal skating run of Shcherbakova is not an accident. In his opinion, Anna has all the necessary qualities to become a leader in women's figure skating.

“I know that Anna has several quadruple jumps. She is technically stronger than her opponents, including in jumping elements. Anna this way easily bypasses rivals, it is very difficult for them to catch up. It would be good for her when she can keep all this, but I am very happy for her. The main difficulties will begin during the transitional age, when she will be 16 or 17. It will be much more difficult than it is now”, RIA Novosti quotes Dmitriyev.

The merited coach of Russia and the USSR in figure skating Tat'yana Tarasova reacted much more violently to the triumph of Shcherbakova. According to her, in the future, American fans will have to wait a long time for such a show.

“This was a historical competition. What Shcherbakova did today - showing two such quadruple Lutz's - is the first time in history ... One hundred years it will be necessary to wait for such records. And Lisa (Tuktamysheva. - RT), of course, shot up from fifth place, ” Tarasova expressed her opinion.

Agreeing with her was Olympic champion Alexey Yagudin. According to him, lovers of figure skating in Las Vegas were lucky to witness this historical moment.

“It was really cool. And it doesn’t matter that Anna climbed from fourth to first place - it happened, and from the sixth she broke through. Today it is important that both of our girls presented us a real miracle, presented a celebration of sport. We are proud of our skaters”, said Yagudin.

Nevertheless, the famous athlete drew attention to some negative episodes of the tournament. He was dissatisfied with the judges' marks on Skate America, expressing the opinion that they slightly underscored the Russians.

“I don't quite agree with the scores at this competition, including for the under rotations of both Tuktamysheva and Shcherbakova in their short programs. I’m not entirely in agreement with the marks for their free program, but I’m a commentator, not a judge ” the four-time world champion admitted.

He put special emphasis on the marks of the skaters for components, focusing on the marks of Tuktamysheva. According to him, given her artistry and skill, she could count on much more than 64.30.

“In my opinion, Tuktamysheva generally demonstrates an absolutely mature, well-proven skating with her own timely charm, which cannot be rated so low on the components”, concluded Yagudin.

Averbukh also agreed with him: according to him, Yelizaveta had the right to count on a silver medal.

“In the free program, Tuktamysheva showed a crazy performance. I think the judging was not entirely correct, which prevented her from taking second place. According to Alexey Mishin, she is a guiding star for all skaters over the age of 15-16. She demonstrates that even at a more mature age, you can continue to show outstanding results”, Averbukh added.

The head of the FFKKR was also pleased with the performances of Tuktamysheva, especially noting her ability to remain composed in difficult situations.

“Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva is in the most difficult circumstances, in extreme competition, she managed - doing two triple Axels, once again demonstrating the fruits of serious work with coach Alexey Mishin”, Gorshkov emphasised.

The mentor himself said that his pupil fought on equal terms with Shcherbakova. He drew attention to the fact that at the moment Tuktamysheva is the only skater performing a triple Axel.

“These are elements from the arsenal of men that not everyone performs so well. She remains one of the few skaters who owns this unique leap”, Mishin said.

He admitted that he considers the judging at the Grand Prix stage in the USA controversial, but assured that Tuktamysheva will continue the struggle for reaching the final of the competition.

“To compete with US athletes on the American continent is very difficult. Not because they are so far superior to us, but because they have a home advantage. But we, of course, will fight for reaching the final, ”the expert added.
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From: https://russian.rt.com/sport/article/678856-scherbakova-tuktamysheva-skate-america-reakciya
 

Edwin

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Sorry, but you are misleading non-Russian speakers. This moment:

Journalist: - Recently, a video was published in which she [Medvedeva] makes a quad jump, albeit with a "fishing pole", a quad salchow...
Goncharenko: - Oh, don't be ridiculous (ironically smiles)
Journalist: - Yes, I understand, this is only with pole.
Goncharenko: - Jumping with a "fishing pole"... You know, now all that's left is I'm jumping some jump and showing a video, the main thing is to find a strong uncle who can lift me (laughing) [:biggrin: :laugh: :thumbsup:] Therefore, I don't really like this ... a fishing pole... I understand that she probably wants to. But this is not serious for me.
Journalist: Of course, I wasn't asking about the "fishing pole" itself [this is for the next topic of conversation that Zhenya desperately needs to increase the BV] we are still not talking about fishing (smiles diplomatically)
Goncharenko: That pole was probably really strong.


So, Goncharenko was very sarcastic about this Medevedeva's quad-pole theme, practically troll. It's definitely not "Goncharenko herself is ready to teach her to jump on the pole"

My bad, and excuses.

A full transcript of this 90 minutes interview is most welcome, but it has to be done by a native Russian speaker to get the correct meaning across.
 

Mishaminion

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“To compete with US athletes on the American continent is very difficult. Not because they are so far superior to us, but because they have a home advantage. But we, of course, will fight for reaching the final, ”the expert added.

That is so hypocritical it's not even funny.
 

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Anna's step sequence is not always great. She even fell during it in the SP. Liza has never had particularly good steps, it is one of her weaknesses.
Anna scored 160 points on the free and it wasn't even 100% clean, how anyone can cook up some kind of "Russians are having their scores deliberately reduced" conspiracy from that is...

I can't even


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No

You forgot about 2 quad lutzes, didn't you? She received 14.8 points for each. Other than that both she and Bradie had 6 triples. Yes, Bradie had some extra doubles. But Anna's score of 160 - 30 = 130 would be still much lower than that of Bradie without those extra doubles. Once again, I rewatched steps of those 3 skaters that I mentioned and Anna. Level 4 vs Level 2? Just come on.
 

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“To compete with US athletes on the American continent is very difficult. Not because they are so far superior to us, but because they have a home advantage. But we, of course, will fight for reaching the final, ”the expert added.

That is so hypocritical it's not even funny.

Just for me to understand, when people at GS say that Cup of Russia is famous for its home cooking, it is funny to you as well?
 

Mishaminion

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You forgot about 2 quad lutzes, didn't you? She received 14.8 points for each. Other than that both she and Bradie had 6 triples. Yes, Bradie had some extra doubles. But Anna score of 160 - 30 = 130 would be still much lower than that of Bradie without those extra doubles. Once again, I rewatched steps of those 3 skaters that I mentioned and Anna. Level 4 vs Level 2? Just come on.

Still, Anna 160 2 quads a couple of minor errors, Trusova scored 160 with 4 quads and some messy landings, Kostornaia 157 with two 3As though one underrotated. Zagitova 157 with neither. Do you really want to continue with this underscored nonsense?
 

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Just for me to understand, when people at GS say that Cup of Russia is famous for its home cooking, it is funny to you as well?

No, it's just as hypocritical.
Home cooking happens in various countries, what isn't funny is not acknowledging it happens in someone's own at the same time as bashing another for it.
 

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Trusova scored 160 with 4 quads, Kostornaia 157 with two 3As though one underrotated. Zagitova 157 with neither. Do you really want to continue with this underscored nonsense?

It's nonsense to you but not to me. To me nonsense is Bradie's 141 score with just 6 triples while Trusova received 160 with 4 quads. Yes, this is true nonsense.
 
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