In my opinion, Anna has been underscored, Sasha has been overscored - when they all skated together it was clear to the judges how to separate them.
What do you think?
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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In my opinion, Anna has been underscored, Sasha has been overscored - when they all skated together it was clear to the judges how to separate them.
What do you think?
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Anna’s fall was disruptive but the UR was not - the landing lost a little speed but it should not be considered a major error in this case. The huge 2S pop and 4T fall were both disruptive in Sasha’s program. Also, skating after Sasha likely benefitted Anna in both the SP and LP. Her improvements in PCS and superiority in all categories besides SS was clear, at least to me, and it seems like the judges thought this too.
Well, as I said above, PCS I fear is a very very reputational game. And the judges are buying it...unfortunately.
I think the trends we saw here at GPF will continue. Maybe not at RusNats, but later at Europeans and Worlds...
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Maybe on paper it would seem that way but TBH sometimes a skater can actually fall without disrupting their overall impression. In fact I think sometimes they can even make an error and then be guided by a drive to avenge their error to the point that they can actually outperform their mistake.
When they give up or are defeated by their mistake I would imagine most judges would ding their PCS but if they strike back they may actually be able to make up for it.
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Agree. I also think an early mistake can be overcome while a late mistake leaves a worse impression. Anna’s mistake on her 2nd jumping pass was less disruptive than if she had fallen on the 2nd to last jump during the fast paced firebird part. This is all just in my opinion.
Agree. Anna's overall performance was the best she has delivered. Her combinations were clean, her spins were better than usual, level 4 in steps etc.
That fall didn't make any impact imo.
This is the qualifying results from Russian Cup to RusNats
1. Anastasia Tarakanova 209,04 (188,11) - didn't have a good first run, but was clean the second time
2. Ksenia Tsibinova 206,18 (203,83) - this new girl will be interesting to see, looked very solid
3. Serafima Sakhanovich 201,77 (192,42) - didn't need to be here, q already through GP
4. Anastasia Gubanova 197,09 (178,05) - had a bad first run, ok-ish second. it will be tough for Gubanova this year I fear.
5. Viktoria Vasilieva 195,73 - didn't need to be here, q already through GP
6. Elizaveta Nugumanova 195,19 (184,18) - wonderful as always, need to work on those bloody URs
7. Valeria Shulskaya 194,80 (173,13) - a pleasant surprise, was very strong the second time
8. Anna Frolova 193,61 (183,52) - her senior debut, needs to up her game a bit
9. Maria Talalaykina 186,25 (175,95) - very shaky qualifying rounds, needs to shape up
Alternates if anyone WD:
10. Anastasia Gulyakova 192,87 (170,84) - missed it due to the first weak round, first in line if anyone WD's
11. Anna Sidorova 171.66 (165,85)
12. Anastasia Gracheva 169,86 (165,14)
13. Alena Deyneko 155,99 (152,73)
14. Anastasia Kolomiets 168,16 (161,33)
1. Anastasia Tarakanova 209,04 (188,11) - didn't have a good first run, but was clean the second time
2. Ksenia Tsibinova 206,18 (203,83) - this new girl will be interesting to see, looked very solid
3. Serafima Sakhanovich 201,77 (192,42) - didn't need to be here, q already through GP
4. Anastasia Gubanova 197,09 (178,05) - had a bad first run, ok-ish second. it will be tough for Gubanova this year I fear.
5. Viktoria Vasilieva 195,73 - didn't need to be here, q already through GP
6. Elizaveta Nugumanova 195,19 (184,18) - wonderful as always, need to work on those bloody URs
7. Valeria Shulskaya 194,80 (173,13) - a pleasant surprise, was very strong the second time
8. Anna Frolova 193,61 (183,52) - her senior debut, needs to up her game a bit
9. Maria Talalaykina 186,25 (175,95) - very shaky qualifying rounds, needs to shape up
Alternates if anyone WD:
10. Anastasia Gulyakova 192,87 (170,84) - missed it due to the first weak round, first in line if anyone WD's
11. Anna Sidorova 171.66 (165,85)
12. Anastasia Gracheva 169,86 (165,14)
13. Alena Deyneko 155,99 (152,73)
14. Anastasia Kolomiets 168,16 (161,33)
Because Anna so far (prior to GPF) has met all the panels with the stingiest PCS scoring, while it has been the opposite for Sasha. PCS is always relative. Check the PCS for all the competitors at Lombardia, Skate America, and Cup of China and you'll see that it's generally lower than Nepela, Skate Canada and Rostelecom. Generally, PCS isn't very comparable across different events. It's when skaters skate at the same event that you can compare their PCS.
It's the holidays and I have way too much time on my hands, so here's an overview of how generous or stingy the judges were at each event Anna or Sasha went to. Obviously it's not 100% accurate because different skaters attended each event, but since there were 12 skaters at each event, the average PCS gives a decent approximate of how kind or harsh the judges were in PCS.
Skate America (Anna's first GP)
Highest PCS: 69.16
Average PCS: 59.52
Lowest PCS: 51.14
Anna's PCS: 67.92
Skate Canada (Sasha's first GP)
Highest PCS: 73.72
Average PCS: 62.51
Lowest PCS: 53.02
Sasha's PCS: 67.42
Cup of China (Anna's second GP)
Highest PCS: 72.36
Average PCS: 59.47
Lowest PCS: 49.75
Anna's PCS: 67.82
Rostelecom (Sasha's second GP)
Highest PCS: 74.06
Average PCS: 62.35
Lowest PCS: 56.74
Sasha's PCS: 66.92
The point is that even though Sasha's and Anna's PCS have been about even till GPF, that was because Anna has hit all the harsher panels until GPF.
Even though Sasha might beat Anna in PCS at separate events, if you look at the PCS stats from the GPs they went to, Sasha is 4-5 points above average PCS in her GP events, and 6-8 points below the highest score. Anna is 8-10 points above average PCS, and 2-5 points below the highest score. So even if Sasha might do better in the actual score, Anna does better if you factor their scores against the other competitors. So it isn't a scandal that Anna's PCS was higher than Sasha's at GPF.
It isn't at all a scandal. When u see Anna and sasha one after another there really should be a considerable difference in PCS between them!
Everyone who is denying that must be blind or a diehard trusifan aka not objective
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I tend to agree with this statement. For example, I thought Sasha Cohen's 2006 Olympic program was so powerful. She blew the first two jumping passes, everyone in the arena knew her dream was over including the judges and what did she do? She performed the hell out of the rest of the program. The final impression was for me an extremely powerful artistic skate.
The broader ratings including 100K+ cities outside of Moscow were quite a bit higher. The ladies free skate had a 4.4 rating pointing to about 5.7 million viewers which is the ratings equivalent of 13 million viewers in the US.
Last year the ladies free skate was 48th highest rated show with a 2.6 rating but it was shown at 10am Sunday morning when the event was held in Vancouver Canada.
In 2017, the ladies free skate was the 64th highest rated show with a 2.4 rating but it was shown on Saturday afternoon when the event was held in Japan.
At nationals last year, the ladies fs had a 4.0 rating and the year before on Match TV it was a 0.6.
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The GPF ladies free skate was the 5th highest rated sport program in Russia for the year. Ahead of it was 2 hockey world cup matches, a Euro 2020 soccer/football qualifier, and the Nurmagomedov - Poirier UFC fight.
https://www.sovsport.ru/figure/articles/2:927033
I think this is true at this moment in time. The thing about 3A is that they are all equally good, and you never know who is going to win. Right now the "what ifs" don't matter, because there will be a 'next' competition where there might be a different result. I think even the girls see it this way. Trusova will improve her skating skills, but probably after the season is over. I remember Tim Goebel, when criticized on skating skills -saying that he wanted to get the quads first, the rest could be worked on later. Very true. As far as Anna, I've never seen her look more confident as she was at the final. She came to play. Right now she has the big beautiful quads, AND gorgeous musicality. She was beautiful and exciting. Anna's overall polish isn't quite where Aliona is (small form issues, spins etc.), but in a year? Watch out. Eventually, maybe, one will pull away from the others, but I don't think that is this year.
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OT and sort of unrelated, but does anyone else find themselves humming 3A's music-for me it seems to be every day. One day it will be Anna's music, the next day Trusova's music, and today I can't get Twilight out of my head. I've never seen any of the movies/TV shows. (Perfume, twilight, GOT)
Recently I found myself humming the beginning of Sasha's FS music...while my phone was blasting Supermassive Black Hole.
I really like all of the 3A's music choices this season. Very catchy.
What she needs is confidence. The free was a remake of the nationals and Europeans last year. Alina has to skate 2 clean programs. I know she can do it.
