Japanese skater switching to Eteri?

TallyT · May 21, 2019

Claudalie said:
From the results she has been having for so long, whoever switches to her camp will end up getting a medal Tursunbayeva is a perfect example of that

Not really - yes, there's quite a lot of impressive hardware among her girls but she's got such a crowd of them, after all. As with most coaches in most sports, the majority of her skaters are pretty empty-handed by their use by date. "You pays your money and you takes your chances" as the old saying goes.

Mind you, if it all turns out to be a furphy...

Yuzuruu · May 22, 2019

Yuzu didn't always get gold with Orser and he still sticks to him, there's a good reason for that.

If it was a male skater going to Eteri (I would guess only for some sort of camp, I don't see a Japanese skater going there permamently) I would guess Shoma maybe, he had a silver curse on him for as long time, maybe he wants an outside look. Overall I doubt any male skater would want to go there, ET is rather known for her success with ladies.

If it was female... well then I would rule Satoko out because she literally just was at TCC so I seriously doubt it, Rika can be also safely ruled out, Wakaba - also don't think so, I think she wouldn't do that to Zhenya. Maybe it's Yuna Shiraiwa?

j00mla · May 22, 2019

Arbitrary said:
Google translation means some J-skater may think to study with one of ET coaches.
It may be anything from attending some courses to having one of Team Tutberidze coaches leaving the team for Japan.

in recent years Dudakov visited the Philippines and held training sessions there.

Happy Skates · May 22, 2019

Yuzuruu said:
Yuzu didn't always get gold with Orser and he still sticks to him, there's a good reason for that.

If it was a male skater going to Eteri (I would guess only for some sort of camp, I don't see a Japanese skater going there permamently) I would guess Shoma maybe, he had a silver curse on him for as long time, maybe he wants an outside look. Overall I doubt any male skater would want to go there, ET is rather known for her success with ladies.

If it was female... well then I would rule Satoko out because she literally just was at TCC so I seriously doubt it, Rika can be also safely ruled out, Wakaba - also don't think so, I think she wouldn't do that to Zhenya. Maybe it's Yuna Shiraiwa?

What do you mean by doing "that" to Zhenya, are they good friends or something? Not that I think Wakaba is the one, but I don't understand why it would be hurtful to Zhenya in specifically Wakaba's case

yume · May 22, 2019

Yuzuruu said:
Wakaba - also don't think so, I think she wouldn't do that to Zhenya.

I really don't think a skater would refuse to make a coaching change that she thinks can help her career, just because of friendship (surely not even close friendship). Hold back her career for that, really.
Would be weird to choose to be loyal to someone who fight for the same medals as you, if you want to win (probably against this person), so feel that you need to change coach if you wan to win medals/titles.

Yuzuruu · May 22, 2019

yume said:
I really don't think a skater would refuse to make a coaching change that she thinks can help her career, just because of friendship (surely not even close friendship). Hold back her career for that, really.
Would be weird to choose to be loyal to someone who fight for the same medals as you, if you want to win (probably against this person), so feel that you need to change coach if you wan to win medals/titles.

Well, of course I agree with you, friendship shouldn't really be a factor, it's your job so you do everything you need to improve. I don't know either Wakaba or Zhenya, but if I recall they are indeed close friends, and I know Japanese people are generally known for their loyalty, I simply assumed, but I may as well be wrong.
I just imagine it might be hurtful to Zhenya, she's a young lady and even though she is quite mature, at 19yo you take everything much more personally

Claudalie · May 22, 2019

TallyT said:
Not really - yes, there's quite a lot of impressive hardware among her girls but she's got such a crowd of them, after all. As with most coaches in most sports, the majority of her skaters are pretty empty-handed by their use by date. "You pays your money and you takes your chances" as the old saying goes.

Mind you, if it all turns out to be a furphy...

The impressive hardware is still in Juniors and those skaters will definitely get medals when they move to seniors. She does not have empty-handed senior skaters

She knows how to use her crowd for the max showcase and prizes.

Happy Skates · May 23, 2019

Yuzuruu said:
Well, of course I agree with you, friendship shouldn't really be a factor, it's your job so you do everything you need to improve. I don't know either Wakaba or Zhenya, but if I recall they are indeed close friends, and I know Japanese people are generally known for their loyalty, I simply assumed, but I may as well be wrong.
I just imagine it might be hurtful to Zhenya, she's a young lady and even though she is quite mature, at 19yo you take everything much more personally

But with the amount of times people change coaches in the figure skating world, if you ruled out all of your friends former coaches you wouldn't have many options left. I do think this specific story sounds more like a rumor though.

tsuyoboogie · May 24, 2019

I'm almost certain Jack is just trying to generate hype around Moa Iwano AGAIN. She's pretty much the only Japanese skater he has direct access to and information on that's not hearsay.
A portion of funds raised by her current crowdfunding campaign is supposed to pay for overseas training.

Judging from his tweet, I'd say temporary instruction is what's intended rather than a coaching change.
Kaori could be a slim possibility in this case. With the way Jack kisses up to Benoit Richaud he could've easily obtained some dirt on her training.

However, if there's a Japanese skater other than Moa who is actually planning a switch, my guess would be either Rika Hongo or Riko Takino.
And between the two, I think it's likely only Takino would be accepted.

About men who train with Eteri, there's also Alexey Erokhov and Ilya Skirda.

Weathergal · May 24, 2019

tsuyoboogie said:
I'm almost certain Jack is just trying to generate hype around Moa Iwano AGAIN. She's pretty much the only Japanese skater he has direct access to and information on that's not hearsay.
A portion of funds raised by her current crowdfunding campaign is supposed to pay for overseas training.

Judging from his tweet, I'd say temporary instruction is what's intended rather than a coaching change.
Kaori could be a slim possibility in this case. With the way Jack kisses up to Benoit Richaud he could've easily obtained some dirt on her training.

However, if there's a Japanese skater other than Moa who is actually planning a switch, my guess would be either Rika Hongo or Riko Takino.
And between the two, I think it's likely only Takino would be accepted.

About men who train with Eteri, there's also Alexey Erokhov and Ilya Skirda.

And also Daniel Samsonov.

el henry · May 24, 2019

Off topic, but I read somewhere recently that Skirda has switched to Ice Dance and no longer trains with Eteri. I don’t even remember where, so I could be wrong :scratch2:

Interesting about Jack Gallagher and his sources, I know I haven’t trusted his rumors in the past, but I can’t say exactly why. We’ll see whether any Japanese skater actually leaves for more than three days :biggrin:

Yuzuruu · Jun 3, 2019

So is it Shoma!? :eeking:

Colonel Green · Jun 3, 2019

Per reports, Uno hasn’t decided where he’s going yet.

Arriba627 · Jun 3, 2019

Anything is possible, but I just can't imagine Sho going to Eteri! :noshake:

Tavi... · Jun 3, 2019

Arriba627 said:
Anything is possible, but I just can't imagine Sho going to Eteri! :noshake:

It does seem like a stretch! But I was wondering about this. What Eteri seems great at is drilling consistency into her skaters and packaging them into winners. At the same time, I don’t know if she’s ever worked (or worked successfully) with skaters of Sho’s body type. So not sure a move to her would make sense.

Ykai · Jun 3, 2019

Arriba627 said:
Anything is possible, but I just can't imagine Sho going to Eteri! :noshake:

Has Eteri ever taken any foreign skaters other than lil bet? But lil bet was from Moscow to begin with.

Can't imagine Shoma training with the 3A's :bang:

TallyT · Jun 3, 2019

Ykai said:
Has Eteri ever taken any foreign skaters other than lil bet? But lil bet was from Moscow to begin with.

No, but I believe she once said she'd like to train Yuzu, so that shows she's open to it with the right skater. And she could be looking for someone to break her 'can't train very top men' duck.

el henry · Jun 3, 2019

TallyT said:
No, but I believe she once said she'd like to train Yuzu, so that shows she's open to it with the right skater. And she could be looking for someone to break her 'can't train very top men' duck.

Well heck *I’d* like to train Yuzu :laugh:

Along with World Peace and Winning the Lottery. But sadly, Yuzu does not want to train with me

It’s very interesting to me that Shoma has announced ahead of time that he is going on a “tryout tour”. That’s common [ETA: the tryouts, not the announcement] with North American skaters, but I don’t know if it is the norm for Japanese or Russian skaters. Since this is Shoma’s choice and Shoma’s decision, would Eteri host Shoma for a tryout knowing that he might say, “See ya later, alligator”? Or don’t they do tryouts?

I really don’t know :scratch:

Lunalovesskating · Jun 3, 2019

el henry said:
Well heck *I’d* like to train Yuzu Along with World Peace and Winning the Lottery. But sadly, Yuzu does not want to train with me

It’s very interesting to me that Shoma has announced ahead of time that he is going on a “tryout tour”. That’s common [ETA: the tryouts, not the announcement] with North American skaters, but I don’t know if it is the norm for Japanese or Russian skaters. Since this is Shoma’s choice and Shoma’s decision, would Eteri host Shoma for a tryout knowing that he might say, “See ya later, alligator”? Or don’t they do tryouts?

I really don’t know :scratch:

There are try outs at Eteri's camp as far as I remember. I remember that they took on a few younger skaters last year e.g. Kamila and Maya were some of them and after a certain period of time one of the new girls left the group as she didn't pass the probation period.

TallyT · Jun 3, 2019

el henry said:
Well heck *I’d* like to train Yuzu Along with World Peace and Winning the Lottery. But sadly, Yuzu does not want to train with me

Oh I am aware that pretty much everyone and their great aunt Sophronia would have taken him off Brian's hands in a heartbeat - but Shoma isn't that far behind :laugh:

and possibly easier on the nerves and hair-loss program.

And Eteri would already be looking to the OGM in ladies in 2022 - can you imagine how much popcorn would be needed for the drama if she was in the running for that and the mens???

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