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Shoma Uno to change coaches

el henry

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Shoma is also going to Switzerland in September to work with Lambiel, so he seems to have tryouts in different places indeed.

I was talking with my friend, how about him working with Hamada's team? She has Vincent who has multiple quads (he is not always in Japan though), but maybe too many students for her? :think:

I have wondered this too.

I would love to see Deniss and Shoma in the same training environment, but Deniss does not have quads. Koshiro, not so much either. However, with Koshiro training there, Shoma would have a Japanese training mate.

I do not know Shoma as well as his longtime fans, but it appears he is clearly more comfortable in Japan, and I think that's perfectly understandable. So working with Hamada's team would allow him to stay in Japan and train with skaters with quads.

But if Sho wants to go his own way, all the more power to him:biggrin:
 

andromache

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I do not think Shoma will be very successful while he is without a coach. His jump technique isn't great, and he tends to be a skater who can really "lose himself" in the performance (which is good) and then make mistakes (less good). He's a very passionate, moving skater, but I think he needs a coach who can reign him in and make him a little more grounded/controlled.

Going without a main coach seems like a bad idea in general, but especially for a skater with Shoma's strengths and weaknesses.

I also don't think a try-out with Lambiel will be especially fruitful. Shoma already has what Stephane's strengths as a coach are.

Hamada is a good idea. Mishin would be okay as well.
 
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Colonel Green

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I also don't think a try-out with Lambiel will be especially fruitful. Shoma already has what Stephane's strengths as a coach are.

Hamada is a good idea. Mishin would be okay as well.
Mishin would probably be ideal if Shoma was looking for jump help, but he already said it's not him.

I agree that Lambiel seems an unlikely fit. Joubert might actually be a better candidate, if he's looking for technical assistance, but I don't think Joubert's camp has the kind of roster that Shoma apparently would ideally like.
 

yude

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I do not know Shoma as well as his longtime fans, but it appears he is clearly more comfortable in Japan, and I think that's perfectly understandable. So working with Hamada's team would allow him to stay in Japan and train with skaters with quads.

I don't always follow him either, but I have the same impression as yours :)
 

monochrom3

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Shoma is also going to Switzerland in September to work with Lambiel, so he seems to have tryouts in different places indeed.

I was talking with my friend, how about him working with Hamada's team? She has Vincent who has multiple quads (he is not always in Japan though), but maybe too many students for her? :think:

I don’t think Japan is something Shoma is considering, based on how he phrased his initial announcement, which is that he wanted to go overseas and train. In all honesty if he wanted to train in Japan, I think it would honestly make no difference to him whether he’s training with Hamada or with his old coaches. Also considering Hamada has worked with Vincent for 2 seasons, and Vincent’s main issue of underrotation is still very much present, AND that that one of the problems Shoma is likely wanting to fix, I don’t think Hamada is that great an option.

Honestly I feel the reason why Shoma might not have decided on a main coach is because there is no one particular coaching team that encompasses everything that he wants and needs out of a coaching team and that’s why he’s going to a few different camps to possibly fix certain issues separately. I don’t think he’ll be without a coach for very long tbh, and I think that somewhere midseason between GPF and Nationals we will see him actually decide where would suit him best. Just in time for the build up to Olympics.
 

yude

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I don’t think Japan is something Shoma is considering, based on how he phrased his initial announcement, which is that he wanted to go overseas and train. In all honesty if he wanted to train in Japan, I think it would honestly make no difference to him whether he’s training with Hamada or with his old coaches. Also considering Hamada has worked with Vincent for 2 seasons, and Vincent’s main issue of underrotation is still very much present, AND that that one of the problems Shoma is likely wanting to fix, I don’t think Hamada is that great an option.

Honestly I feel the reason why Shoma might not have decided on a main coach is because there is no one particular coaching team that encompasses everything that he wants and needs out of a coaching team and that’s why he’s going to a few different camps to possibly fix certain issues separately. I don’t think he’ll be without a coach for very long tbh, and I think that somewhere midseason between GPF and Nationals we will see him actually decide where would suit him best. Just in time for the build up to Olympics.

Thank you for your reply. The initial announcement was to find a coach in overseas or in Japan (while I don't remember exactly what he said), but it is true that he has no place to go in Japan if we exclude Hamada team, realistically speaking. Now even more so, because we have his comment he wants to practice every day with skater with multiple quads.

Honestly, I am not very worried about his skating with other coaches, but more worried about adopting to the environment if he trains in a foreign country. But I know I should not sound like his mother :laugh: He is not a kid and I am sure he will have many supports from his surroundings and JSF.
 

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Since Takeshi Honda, Japan's original quad jumper, is confirmed to become his jump coach, Marin Honda and Shoma Uno will be practicing together at Kansai University's Takatsuki Arena, which is also the Hamada team's home rink. Even without the main coach, the Japan Skating Federation will provide him with a temp coach for his GP assignments and other overseas competitions. Shoma is not so worried, except for the Japanese Nationals for which the JSF cannot help him with the coaching situation.
 

labgoat

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Posters can say what they want, based on their own hopes and suppositions;)

Shoma himself never said he was going to Eteri permanently, and Shoma said he was looking and that he very well might not have a coach this year. He never said, AFAIK, that Eteri was only for the summer, but neither did he commit. He did say would make a decision after the camp.

Now camp is over and he’s made a decision. He’s still looking. I wish him all the best and hope it works out:cheer:

ETA: I was typing at the same time as Rabidline and Rabidline was clearer than me :)

I wish Shona well and hope he finds a place that fits his needs. He is a superb talent and I always look forward to seeing him skate.
 

OniBan

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Since Takeshi Honda, Japan's original quad jumper, is confirmed to become his jump coach, Marin Honda and Shoma Uno will be practicing together at Kansai University's Takatsuki Arena, which is also the Hamada team's home rink. Even without the main coach, the Japan Skating Federation will provide him with a temp coach for his GP assignments and other overseas competitions. Shoma is not so worried, except for the Japanese Nationals for which the JSF cannot help him with the coaching situation.

I don't think Shoma will be making Kansai University his training base - he has stated that his main training rink will still be Chukyo in Nagoya.
 

eaglehelang

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Thank you for your reply. The initial announcement was to find a coach in overseas or in Japan (while I don't remember exactly what he said), but it is true that he has no place to go in Japan if we exclude Hamada team, realistically speaking. Now even more so, because we have his comment he wants to practice every day with skater with multiple quads.
Yeah, Shoma's been repeating this statement. Like the others said, the only realistic options in that direction are Orser & Rafael.
 

OniBan

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https://twitter.com/sportsjapan/status/1151797128785620992?s=19
Jack Gallagher on why Shoma is not going over to Eteri.

I find it amusing how his source on 'why Shoma is not going to Eteri' remained unnamed :/

The framing of the whole article is based on the initial assumption that Shoma is going to move his training base to Eteri for good, when the fact (which Shoma himself gave and Eteri confirmed) was that he was going there for a summer camp, no commitment to stay longer than that.
The scoop is that there is no real scoop to begin with ��
 

lady_bee

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I find it amusing how his source on 'why Shoma is not going to Eteri' remained unnamed :/

The framing of the whole article is based on the initial assumption that Shoma is going to move his training base to Eteri for good, when the fact (which Shoma himself gave and Eteri confirmed) was that he was going there for a summer camp, no commitment to stay longer than that.
The scoop is that there is no real scoop to begin with ��

I agree. I don't trust any "source" without its name, especially it comes from Jack Gallagher, since I read his ”article” based on a blog written by just a casual fan, not a figure skating specialist, few years ago.
 

timdalton

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He needs to up his technique. Right now he is being left in the dust by the stronger jumping of Chen and Hanyu, and the improved artistry of Chen. He is even starting to lose to Zhou. His PCS are declining and his GOE. He has to make major changes to even be in contention for gold again, and to get back on the podium. His jumps have always had pre rotation and underrotation issues, but the judges are finally starting to call him on them. His Olympic silver was a joke with his badly underrotated quad loop not called. I cant believe Fernandez and his coach did not file an inquiry.
 

CanadianSkaterGuy

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He needs to up his technique. Right now he is being left in the dust by the stronger jumping of Chen and Hanyu, and the improved artistry of Chen. He is even starting to lose to Zhou. His PCS are declining and his GOE. He has to make major changes to even be in contention for gold again, and to get back on the podium. His jumps have always had pre rotation and underrotation issues, but the judges are finally starting to call him on them. His Olympic silver was a joke with his badly underrotated quad loop not called. I cant believe Fernandez and his coach did not file an inquiry.

Well then Uno and his coach could have countered for Fernandez getting away with no edge call on his flip series. :rolleye: Or Fernandez getting 10's in spite of popping a quad (and pretty generous PCS of 96). Although Uno also had ridiculous scores like 9.50 for PE with a fall and other errors.

Fernandez didn't lose silver because of a non-call on Uno's loop. His BV was 19 points lower than Uno's and while he was cleaner he was still outscored easily due to his easier content. A triple salchow would have been enough for silver but unfortunately he popped his salchow. But whatever, he got Spain's first figure skating medal and while people are free to complain it was a bronze and not a silver, I'm more in the whatevs-at least-they-both-got-one-camp.

Uno isn't out of it yet. After all he's one of the few guys to score over 100 TES (I think the first one under the new system to do so?). And he's got a beautiful 3A+4T that can score monstrous points. But he needs consistency on everything.

Let's be honest - the stronger jumping of Chen and Hanyu is leaving everyone in the dust. Zhou can threaten with his difficulty (and will need a bad outing from them) but artistically he isn't on their level yet. Uno is still one of the most exquisite skaters out there and I think we have yet to see some of his best skates.
 

theharleyquinn

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Well then Uno and his coach could have countered for Fernandez getting away with no edge call on his flip series. :rolleye: Or Fernandez getting 10's in spite of popping a quad (and pretty generous PCS of 96). Although Uno also had ridiculous scores like 9.50 for PE with a fall and other errors.

Fernandez didn't lose silver because of a non-call on Uno's loop. His BV was 19 points lower than Uno's and while he was cleaner he was still outscored easily due to his easier content. A triple salchow would have been enough for silver but unfortunately he popped his salchow.

Uno isn't out of it yet. After all he's one of the few guys to score over 100 TES (I think the first one under the new system to do so?). And he's got a beautiful 3A+4T that can score monstrous points.

Let's be honest - the stronger jumping of Chen and Hanyu is leaving everyone in the dust. Zhou can threaten with his difficulty (and will need a bad outing from them) but artistically he isn't on their level yet. Uno is still one of the most exquisite skaters out there and I think we have yet to see some of his best skates.

I agree with this but Vincent's is riding some potentially huge momentum, and he has better seeding for the GP because of his World bronze. The rule changes on URs are likely to work in his favor too in addition to his already-generous calling. Vincent is at school for the fall though, so maybe Shoma's singular focus on improving may work in his favor. The videos of him this summer have looked good, and it sounds like he's bringing new motivation and energy into the season. We'll have to see what the programs look like.
 
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